Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Corruption in Africa


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Corruption in Africa Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 11:36:27 AM   
seeksfemslave


Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline
Congo before. (from Wikipaedia)
When the Belgian Government took over the Administration from King Leopold II, the situation in the Congo improved dramatically. Economic and social changes transformed the Congo into a "model colony". Primary and high schools were built as well as hospitals, and many Congolese had access to them. Even the ethnic languages were taught at school, a rare occurrence in colonial education. Doctors and medics achieved great victories against the sleeping disease . There was a medic post in every village, and in bigger cities, people had access to well equipped hospital. The Administration continued with the economic reforms with the construction of railways, ports, roads, mines, plantations, industrial areas, etc.

Congo after

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1028/p07s02-woaf.html

(in reply to LadyEllen)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 11:52:33 AM   
meatcleaver


Posts: 9030
Joined: 3/13/2006
Status: offline
Seeks. The Belgians were so ashamed of what Leopold did they went on an all out campaign to help put right the shame of what he did. His private rule and exploitation of the Congo was the worst of all the European empires, even France's cruelty didn't come near to that of Leopold and his Belgian hench men,

_____________________________

There are fascists who consider themselves humanitarians, like cannibals on a health kick, eating only vegetarians.

(in reply to seeksfemslave)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 12:09:56 PM   
RealityLicks


Posts: 1615
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

When teachers are not being paid, police officers are not being paid, hospital and medical staff are not being paid - it is no wonder they have to ask for "tips" simply in order to survive, whilst their rightful wages are misappropriated.

This is the thing - its not that the people themselves are immoral or evil or criminal - they are doing what they have to do, and exactly as we would do in their situation. E


If only you'd adopted this tone in your OP! It definitely appears to me that corruption in Africa differs greatly between workers at the front line, like teachers, insisting on taking something home for their families and dodgy officials pocketing their staffs' salaries.

Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to see Sorious Samura's film but I have seen other work by him and I know he is both unstinting on the corruption in Africa and quite clear that it could not exist without a failing approach to Africa by us in the developed nations.

It's also worth noting that, like any programme, this one has to deliver ratings and often they have to make sensational claims just to get people to sit and watch them.

Nowadays its accepted that project based aid - like setting up a clinic - is very open to this kind of abuse precisely because it relies on the involvement of local officials who often haven't been paid in years. The better direction is to help families and individuals and cut out the middle man.

But remember that the UN aims to see developed nations giving 0.07% of GDP as aid to the poor. Currently, only FIVE countries in the world do so - chiefly Scandinavians and Middle East nations, the latter are the most generous by far. The US gives just 0.014% of GDP. Thats $15bn spent on aid against $500 billion on the military.

What is even harder to fathom is the silence on the amount paid into Africa by "foreign remittance". That's relatives and friends here in the developed nations sending money home - not including charities you might support - but personal funds through channels like Western Union.

In 2001 African expats in the US alone sent home $18 billion. The figure grows each year and is matched by similar sums in each of the developed nations. For some reason, this is not talked about in the media and the image of the people of Africa is often quite poor - victims or crooks. That is why I resented  your statement :
quote:


No wonder they all want to come over here, to get away from their own people

When the reality is, we seem not to notice the silent army of workers who are outstripping the richest nations on the planet with their industry and generosity. Not escaping - just helping as best they can.

Anyway... The real problem is not aid or charity, they are short-term measures often administered by well-meaning people who arrive in air-conditioned Land Rovers, still yet to react to real criticism. Talk to someone in the biz, they throw their hands up in the air and say "yeah, we know but we can't change." Sound familiar?

We "just" need a fairer economic system so that the obvious energy determination and talent the Africans have in abundance can be set free to flourish instead of being harnessed to making profit for Shell and their ilk. 

(in reply to LadyEllen)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 12:11:35 PM   
seeksfemslave


Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline
I know. I left that bit out. lol
ie the vicious Congo regime directed by Leopold.

But the point is after a longish period of improvement soon after independence things went badly wrong to the point of murder and slaughter  all basicially to get control of a wealthy infrastructure created by the Belgians.

As far as I know no indigenous Congolese leader advocated returning to the wonderful social structures that existed pre colonialism.
Actually I  wouldnt mind betting some did, but if they did they were steamrollered out of existence by the greed and corruption that this thread is a about..

quote:

RealiyLicks
In 2001 African expats in the US alone sent home $18 billion. The figure grows each year and is matched by similar sums in each of the developed nations. For some reason, this is not talked about in the media and the image of the people of Africa is often quite poor - victims or crooks.
:

Actually this repatriation of cash is significant enough to place strains on the international value of say the UKs currency. when Africa, India Middle east flows are taken into account.


< Message edited by seeksfemslave -- 10/30/2007 12:21:22 PM >

(in reply to meatcleaver)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 12:33:17 PM   
RealityLicks


Posts: 1615
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave


quote:

RealiyLicks
In 2001 African expats in the US alone sent home $18 billion. The figure grows each year and is matched by similar sums in each of the developed nations. For some reason, this is not talked about in the media and the image of the people of Africa is often quite poor - victims or crooks.
:

Actually this repatriation of cash is significant enough to place strains on the international value of say the UKs currency. when Africa, India Middle east flows are taken into account.



You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. If anything it will result in an appreciation of the recipients' currency more than mitigated by the urgent need it meets in terms of subsistence. You don't seem to have a grasp of any of the issues you have raised in your posts.

(in reply to seeksfemslave)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 1:06:12 PM   
popeye1250


Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline
This is one of the reasons that I don't believe in "Foreign Aid."
Hundreds of $billions poured into Africa over the past 40 years and almost all of it has been stolen.
Want to see where the money went? Get a list of "homeowners" in the French Riviera and other wealthy areas.
When US Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil and "BONO" took their African tour O'Neil asked; "Where are all the fresh water wells we paid for at $2,100 each?"
There were none! All that money was stolen.
And all that "Debt Relief for Africa" that "BONO" was spouting was nothing but a bunch of crap!
All it did was to bail out big banks that made bad loans to African countries. And guess what, after being bailed out those very same "Big Banks" are again making bad loans to the very same countries in hopes that down the road they can fleece the Taxpayers again!!!
You could pour a Trillion dollars into Africa and nothing would change!
It's like banging your head against the wall, it'll feel mighty good when we stop!
All these do-gooders from Hollywood are nieve if they think anything's going to change over there.
But, they keep trying to involve the U.S. and European countries in (Africa's) problems for whatever reason.
They need to stay away from my Taxdollars!
I really couldn't care less about Africa.
I don't want my government involved over there.
It's totally corrupt and a black hole for any money from the West.
It doesn't make sense that the Hollywood types want our Troops "out" of Iraq but "in" to Darfur.
Oh, Paris Hilton is going to Africa! She'll set things right!
And we have the "usual suspects" involved.
The "U.N." who can't find that $22-$24 BILLION dollars that's "missing" in the Iraq "Oil for Food" scam wants more money for Darfur?
This is like giving money to a crack addict for 40 years.
We need to stop!


_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to RealityLicks)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Corruption in Africa - 10/30/2007 1:10:37 PM   
RealityLicks


Posts: 1615
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline
It's whole goddam bunch of ahsssse ah tells ya!

(in reply to popeye1250)
Profile   Post #: 27
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Corruption in Africa Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094