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RE: Rumsfeld Flees France, Fearing Arrest - 11/1/2007 7:28:49 PM

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Question for you........are Americans abroad subject to the laws of the country they are in?

(edited to add that the last question ought to read 'are citizens of country A subject to the laws of country B if thats the country they are in?')

If it's a crime committed in that country, directly done. In our country, it's not acceptable to prosecute politicians for actions committed in the course of their job. It's too easy for enemies to go after them for actions they disagree with. The most you could do with Clinton was impeachment.. you couldn't analyse and prosecute for the Balkans. Same with Rumsfeld. *shrugs*

...how about this crime.....

http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19980205/03650164.html

...should that be prosecuted in the country where it happened, or should the USAF whisk the airmen out of the country so they can't stand trial?

..other links to the specific case..

http://www.cnn.com/US/9806/16/marine.cablecar/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/276359.stm

...now, i'm not saying the airmen are definitely guilty......but they were not allowed to be prosecuted by Italian authorities.
The offence, if any, occured on Italian soil (ok, airspace) so why shouldn't the trial have occured in that country?

i know its an old story, but we have been discussing legality and juristiction. There seems to be a culture of not allowing US military standing trial in other countries......how does that square with comments made in response to my question?

Military and civlians are two different things, IMO. The military has it's own system, separate from even our civilian courts, and much more harsh generally. They are judged by their peers, and by officers who know their jobs and are better able to judge them.

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RE: Rumsfeld Flees France, Fearing Arrest - 11/1/2007 7:51:50 PM

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Why are we wasting our time in the middle east, when we should be taking down uppity shits like France and Germany?

If we do this, I'd like to be the appointed ruler of Germany, I liked it there (great beer and food, I was fond of the fraulines too) and I do believe it would make an outstanding Gorean Empire.

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RE: Rumsfeld Flees France, Fearing Arrest - 11/2/2007 7:06:36 AM

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Irish, vote for Ron Paul.
Let's fuckin' SHAKE THINGS UP!

Thanks popeye,

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This is an archive of many things Ron Paul has written:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

I am enjoying several of the above, however this one is my favorite so far.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul389.html

This quote from Ron Paul:
'The reality is that this bill will grant amnesty to virtually all of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in the country today.'

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RE: Rumsfeld Flees France, Fearing Arrest - 11/2/2007 9:09:35 AM

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Military and civlians are two different things, IMO. The military has it's own system, separate from even our civilian courts, and much more harsh generally. They are judged by their peers, and by officers who know their jobs and are better able to judge them.

The US military and government have no idea how much whisking troops out of a country who should at least stand trial for incidents, pisses people off. The US is not just to blame for this but the governments of the countries involved for agreeing to American troops being above the law. This is not a matter of being judged by their peers, the people involved should stand trial in a civilian court for criminal negligence. If they are then found innocent then fine but at least justicew would then have been seen to be done and it would improve the general feeling towards American troops.

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