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Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 8:36:31 AM   
Termyn8or


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In another thread I brought up the media. I didn't want to hijack it so here is a better place if someone cares to discuss this, flame me or call me a nut. (notice I made a distinction between flaming me and calling me a nut)   :-)

The media here is so utterly controlled by big money it is ridiculous. They advertise dangerous drugs, and then lawyers to sue when the problems come. It really is getting ridiculous. The only other contender in the most advertising category is car insurance.

Everyone wants to discard conspiracy theories, but when you got companies in related fields all owned by huge conglomerates, who actually used other people's money to buy companies or controlling shares of stock, it gets hard to dismiss as a coincidence.

Why, for example, does the local electric company advertise on TV ? Actually there is alot less of that going on now, but it used to be quite pervasive. Why did they spend those millions when they were already a monopoly ? I have talked to TV station reps in the past because at one time I wanted to make a TV commercial. I had some editing equipment and a couple of camcorders and I was informed of a few things.

If it was made on a standard color under (consumer) VCR they wouldn't air it because of the poor quality. They want it on D-beta. Even back then, it was also thousands of dollars a second certain times of the day. He told me that basically you need a product that you can markup 300-400% for this to be a viable option. It is alot more if you want to advertise during the local evening news. At four in the morning it is cheaper, but since you need their equipment and time to produce the commercial in the first place, or buy a whole bunch of expensive equipment, it is expensive from the gitgo.

In Cleveland we have electric company A and electric company B. A advertises and has higher rates. B is only available in certain parts of the city, or if you decide to open a Ford plant or something. The people to whom B is unavailable have no choice but to go with A, so why would A advertise ?

Well, there was an iron grate downtown a while ago, and somebody fucked up, it must have got grounded to the wrong wire in a delta wye electric circuit somehow because it electrocuted someone. Of course they reported the story, and then followed it with some sensational piece, distracting from it's importance in the viewers' minds. This ploy is used all the time. Meantime they'll give you a detailed update on some body the was found in bumfukt Zimbabwe somewhere, and then cut to the commercials.

Hmmmm, I remember watching TV stations sign off. Around the time they played the national anthem there was a notice, voiced and printed on the screen. It said something like "Our license renewal comes up in.... grievances can be filed with ... " something like that. do they still do that ? And even if they do and a million of us wrote angry letters, would the FCC listen ? I think not.

I am not an anarcist because I find it to be impractical. You can't just step on other people's toes. There is a channel three. If I got a stronger transmitter would that entitle me to swamp out channel three and have my own channel three ? That would not only be unfair, it would be impractical.

Thing is though, as more and more Americans get their news from the internet, they will start to see how screwed up the media is here.

In the protocols, the words "from the pulpit" appear. They appear to mean something different now. People used to get into their Sunday best and walk, crawl, ride a horse, or do whatever it took to go to church. Then they got reduced to televangelists who pretty much wrecked religion. Now they need to watch the news. I mean some NEED to watch the news. I mean you are an old friend and you haven't seen each other in a year, he says "Shut the fuck up, the news is on". Has the news become the pulpit ? It seems to have for some.

But then if you think about it, control of the media is control of the country. Even if it is not the neo-pulpit, it is where the people think they get informed. Wrong information leads to wrong conclusions.

People are moved by the news. Some get emotional and cry, and send money. Some develop hatred for the "towelheads" who hate our freedom. Who would show up here in a split second, take over the US and subject us all to Islamic law if only they could.

By selective reporting, they hold sway, quite a bit of sway. So I hear in England they got like regular people who review this stuff, and probably review news from aroud the world like many more are doing today, and these regualar people are what keeps the BBC news honest.

Meanwhile back in the states, the supreme court has ruled that the media has the right to lie. Outright.
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Don't ask me if this is a question or a comment, it is both. Opinions are welcome, that's why I posted it.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 8:50:57 AM   
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Hello T, 

Sometimes you read my mind! 

With the commercials on S0 often- I tried watching the Steve Wilco show on KTLA-, it comes on after Jerry Springer- 2-3-4 minutes of show- 1 minute of hype- 2 minutes commercial-  /the commercials have been so bad I have deleted rather then skip thru high speed DVR.

Now- I send $66 a month for this noise.  WHY?

In the 90s I lived 10 years with no tv reception what-so-ever. 

Then we have the circus, ERR I mean government.   ^ coughs ^

In the past man builds paramids- today man builds malls.


Endless vast consumption- is empty.

Do we control our world- or does the world conrol us?  Does one roll with the punches or change reality?  If so how?


Here is your flame-  -> give the man a flame broiled burger.

As far as your nuts  -> your choice of cashews, macadamia, or chestnuts,

As to your mental state,   ->  it is best described as "un-zombied"

:-)

BTW- I routinely commented on radio license renewal. The gist of my comment was minutes of music to not.

Today I listen to satilite radio or cassette tape. I have never ever purchased a CD.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 9:20:57 AM   
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You have never purchased a CD ? Wow.

We have a double, the olman lives down and I live up. Each suite is complete except for laundry which is in the basement. I could get cable for alot less if we went in on it, but I refuse.

Here's our cable, about four cents a month. In the attic is an antenna, a used antenna that I got for free. It comes down to my apartment, it is split in two. It goes down through the old cable lines to the basement and then to the amplifier, which he needs bacause he has more than one TV. I tried putting the amp up here instead, but the signal overloaded it. Cut in half and the downdrop makes the system work. My signal is good, and if I could find the remote I bet there are some out of town channels coming in. But it's a Sony so without the remote I'll never know. All I know is I can hit the video button and watch the PC screen. I stick this thing in fullscreen mode and it is fine.

So I figure it is about four cents a month to run the amp. And I am bitching about that !. Like phones don't need no power, WTF ! Seems to me there should be a way to just pickup the power off the air to power the amp. Fucking shitty technology.

T

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 9:39:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

By selective reporting, they hold sway, quite a bit of sway. So I hear in England they got like regular people who review this stuff, and probably review news from aroud the world like many more are doing today, and these regualar people are what keeps the BBC news honest.



I've seen clips of some of the US reporting on the Israel/Palestine issue, if those clips are representative of US reporting, then it's a world away from the reporting we get over here, on that particular issue.

Having said that, there are a lot of stones left unturned over here in all but the most marginalised of news sources. Your man Chomsky has highlighted a whole load of corrupt and back-handed deals involving the British government which haven't been reported by the Liberal media, e.g. The Guardian and The Independent. By and large, England is pretty much a middle of the road, compromise type of place, and the media panders to that audience. The audience don't want to hear that the British government sells arms to any old despot.....because we're the supporters of the underdog, fair, land of hope etc etc....the same, old bollocks that every government tells their people. Appeal to people's pride. I mean, it's not even through the back door, it couldn't be more blatant.

My take on the media and government is this: the people get what they deserve, if they're not interested in exercising their stake in the nation, then of course the media and government are going to take over the asylum.

Mind you, the people never really held control of the asylum over here. It's hard to say what could be more frustrating: a country set up by a group of people who had experienced political marginalisation and thus were determined to avoid that at all costs by setting up a system to create equality and freedom, or a country where the establishment have always been very adept at giving the people just enough to create the illusion of freedom and equality, while robbing them with the other hand. Better to have loved and lost than not at all, I suppose.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 9:43:32 AM   
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US Journalists don't "Report", at best they "Present" or "Cover" stories.

That's what was so annoying about Faux News' response to Robert Redford's criticism. They justified their coverage, based on, "Well that's what everyone was saying", neglecting the little fact that their DUTY is to NOT ACCEPT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, but to go and, you know, report.

I dunno. Amy Goodman at Democracy Now seems to be able to actually Report news. She got it *ALL* right about Iraq.



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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 10:20:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

US Journalists don't "Report", at best they "Present" or "Cover" stories.

That's what was so annoying about Faux News' response to Robert Redford's criticism. They justified their coverage, based on, "Well that's what everyone was saying", neglecting the little fact that their DUTY is to NOT ACCEPT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, but to go and, you know, report.

I dunno. Amy Goodman at Democracy Now seems to be able to actually Report news. She got it *ALL* right about Iraq.



Well, yeah, but people want to buy newspapers that conform to everything they've been taught and hold dear.........the great nation, the fair nation, the virtuous people, the people who couldn't possibly steal from other people........it's the muslims who do that sort of thing, they're the backward ones; the establishment create a nationalistic culture, and people are rendered blind to the failings of that nation. Strip away the layers of spin and the situation is that a few Western nations think they can waltz into another part of the world and dictate events. In any man's language, that is tyranny: it couldn't be more blatant. I doubt that 50% of the people of Western nations could ever imagine that their government's are capable of tyranny, even though it's staring them in the face.

In terms of where the media fit in, they're businesses with business goals, and the truth is subservient to their status.

For a solution, well, I'd have to say that I don't see one in this age or over the horizon. It will take an altogether different level of thinking, where the vast majority of people understand that equality, freedom and prosperity are intimately linked and mutually supportive, and that this can't possibly be achieved where everyone looks at their sphere of interest as a short-term business. We're still in the "I've got food on the table, so everything is rosy in the garden" stage of civilisation. Thinking needs to progress beyond that in order to generate a fair and balanced system/media/establishment etc.

I suppose the English who decamped across the Atlantic thought that the system would change the people, it's clear in my mind that the people have to change the system.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 10:22:33 AM   
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Whenever I hear the term fair and balanced I think.... That’s what Foxnews say about their reporting just before they do an arse licking interview with a Republican or before an arse whipping interview with a Democrat.   

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 10:22:43 AM   
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What was that old saw about refreshing the tree-o-liberty?

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 10:35:28 AM   
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quote:

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What was that old saw about refreshing the tree-o-liberty?



Grabbing power dictates force and coercion to maintain control. How does that sit with the ideal of freedom?

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 11:45:55 AM   
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Our news is owned by just a small handful of companies, and yes, there are all kinds of conflicts of interest. The most devastating to our survival as a species are the defense contractors (GE) who have a vested interest in drumming up war fever and the numerous oil industry advertising stake in most American news sources. The latter is a key reason that Americans are about ten years behind the developed world in their awareness of human-driven climate change.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 1:33:42 PM   
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Ok ... eh ... why do power companies advertise? I think I'm missing something. Not only that, it will drive me INSANE until I know the answer. Oh! And another thing. Why does 3M advertise? "We don't make the blah blah, we make the blah blah better." WTF is that????? I don't get it.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 2:26:21 PM   
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Where would we be without 3M? A world without post-it notes would be unbeaaarable.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/27/2007 5:23:11 PM   
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If it wasn't for 3M we would have to cancel Christmas. How would we ever wrap all those gifts without Scotch Tape?

As for the OP, if you want balanced news try watching the BBC or the CBC. They somehow manage to report world news without as much corporate influence.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 6:16:27 AM   
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Will somebody please read Bagdikian. 
The 'press' is an international corporate entity devoted to amassing profits and power though deception.

There is no more an American media and a Foreign media, than there are two completely opposite major political parties in the US.  Both of those facades are maintained to garner knee jerk reactions based on fear and chauvinism.

The frenzy to believe that one's own media is bravely risking everything to make sure the truth gets out, is no different than believing that there are 'bad' and 'good' TV wrestlers or soap opera characters.

In other words, it is all scripted...  Don't fall for it.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 6:22:28 AM   
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A penis is

"fair"       and  "balanced"  !

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 6:41:05 AM   
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You people need to be thrown into a think tank WITH ME !

Thank you for the replies, especially NG on the first one.But I think the point is lost.

I advocate that We The People push for a Citizens' advocacy group, comprised of certain people, not corporate schills, to monitor the quality of news and ethics in reporting in the US.

I cannot make it clearer than that. No sane Man would discount the power of the media in controlling the masses. If we can get a Citizens' group of some sort, with teeth, I mean making recommendations as to whether they can renew their license, we might get their attention.

Push for this first. The media is control. This is the first step to it, getting the word out and getting people on our side.

But this is not a war in the conventional sense. If you do not want a revolution, this is simply a class struggle. But strides have been made in the world. Get this, the BBC means British. They do not have the Constitution we do, they have the Magna Carta which was signed under duress. Yet they somehow got more rights than Americans in some ways.

The BBC is not afraid to show you the American bombs blowing people up. They keep it low key, but the US media is forbidden even to show the coffins of the dead returning from Iraq.

Some free country.

T

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 10:39:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

If it wasn't for 3M we would have to cancel Christmas. How would we ever wrap all those gifts without Scotch Tape?


String and Kraft Paper. ( Both made out of hemp. )


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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 3:31:51 PM   
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But WHY does 3M ADVERTISE??? And electric companies???? ~absolutely losing her shit~ Someone pleeeeeeaaaassssssssssssssssssssse answer me - it's driving me CRAZY!!!

And fargle - yeaaahhhh. I'm with you. Kraft paper and hemp twine. Makes me want to go do something folksily artistic.

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 3:37:46 PM   
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quote:

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The media is control.



No argument whatsoever there. The most recent debacle that comes to mind is the media scare about real estate. Good god. Real estate is completely regional, totally local, and cannot be looked at on a national or international basis. What a load of hooey that one was, and it ~worked~! It terrified people.

Dr. Andrew Weil, whom I do not really care for too often, said a long time ago that people, for their own sanity and stress level, need to take a news break. I was a news junkie back then, watching and rewatching the 30-minute loop on the news channels. I'd try de-newsifying myself. And whaddya know? Life went from being doom and gloom in my own mind to being worthwhile and pleasant for the most part. We are what we eat. Turn the tv off (or watch cartoons instead of the news).

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RE: Fair and balanced - 10/28/2007 3:40:15 PM   
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Why?

Supposedly we have electric choice.  But 1. suppliers dont sell in my area.  2. it is a sneaky way to avoid paying for the worn out infastructure which badly needs upgrading. It is like plugging 200 watts into 40.

Remember when bell broke up? at 1st rates got low. Then as it turned out- no one was maintaining the lines- so a federal line charge went into effect.

Which reminds me. If a market economy is the holy grail- wouldnt it be logical to let blank be legal?

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