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popeye1250 -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 8:51:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

He stayed in the race clear through the last time if I remember correctly. Since he is running to have a voice in how the party moves forward, I doubt he will drop out. I have him as my number one myspace friend[:)]. I guess that tells you what I will be voting for.

I do not disapprove completely of Obama, but I cannot imagine myself voting Hillary.


Hi Julia, welcome back.
I was out with a lady who describes herself as a left wing liberal friday night and she said the same thing!
"No Hillary Clinton!"


Hillary voted for the Iraq Resolution, will not define her position on Iraq, and voted for the Patriot Act... need I say anymore?


Oh shit! I forgot about that, she did vote for the Patriot Act!
Also both she and Abbadabba voted for Bush's amnesty for illegal aliens too.
As for Kuchinich if it came down to him and Wudy, I'd vote for Dennis!
I don't think either of them will be in the running though.
I don't know of anyone here in SC who plans on voting for Wudy but I'm noticing a lot of bumperstickers for Ron Paul and Mitt Romney.
I've seen one (1) bumpersticker for McCain.
Maybe two or three for Clinton.



juliaoceania -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 9:44:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I like his ideas. He sure isnt from southern Ohio.


Ha Ha!



UtopianRanger -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 5:19:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Anybody voting for him?


A quick welcome back to a fellow Arien.....and one of the most astute/courageous female posters ; }

The true utopian candidate for me...  elements of Ron Paul, Kucinich and Mike Gravel molded into one.

 Kucinich positives for me:

* He's comes across as a honest, passionate man with a genuine concern for the most average of Americans/Humanity.

* For a little guy....he's got a real set of balls. I love how he's gone after shotgun.

* His desire to completely pullout of the world trade organization, NAFTA, CAFTA and GAT { Far-n-way my favorite thing about Kucinich}

* His position to completely end ALL corporate subsidies /welfare.

* His proposal to create a ''Department of Peace'' { should have been created many moons ago}

* His complete opposition to ALL privatization schemes surrounding our country's  physical infrastructure.

* His opposition to the importation of foreign workers abroad --which drive down US wages and increase corporate profits. {HB1 visa program}

* His desire to completely abolish the death penalty.

Kucinich detractors :


* His views regarding the Second Amendment

* His views regarding wealth re-distribution as it concerns the individual.

*He's one of the leading proponents to bring back the fairness doctrine

* He's a fervent proponent of the Kyoto treaty in its current form.




- R



farglebargle -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 6:01:41 PM)

I liked the Fairness Doctrine so much, I incorporated it into my signature file.




juliaoceania -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 7:15:06 PM)

Thanks for your kind words....

I can understand where you come from with most of your points against Kucinich, except when it comes to the Fairness Doctrine. I would argue that the lowest common demoninator has been established since it was done away with. Big Money has established a primacy because of it, political access is bought. Kinda sad, but true



UtopianRanger -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (10/26/2007 9:59:18 PM)

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Thanks for your kind words....


Say.....I gots to give praise to a lady who I know FULLY understands New York-London style money creation.  Yanno...That's hard to come by these days.[;)]

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I liked the Fairness Doctrine so much, I incorporated it into my signature file


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except when it comes to the Fairness Doctrine. I would argue that the lowest common demoninator has been established since it was done away with. Big Money has established a primacy because of it, political access is bought. Kinda sad, but true



The Fairness Doctrine is an absolute insult to radio’s listening audience.  I know there is a whole bloc of retards who live and die in the name Limbaugh’s moronic rhetoric---which offers no historical parallels. But the same thing goes for all the nuts that fall prey to Thom Hartman’s same rhetoric--- which suggests a ninety-three percent tax rate/bracket for folks with incomes in excess of 250k.  

I say let the chips fall as they may…..  No amount of money can block the eventual wheat /chafe separation process.





- R







MasterDoc1 -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/1/2007 3:12:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

In the primaries we are voting for the candidate that we most feel would represent the way we want the country run. If we do not do this we might as well forsake primaries altogether and elect the candidates via Gallup opinion poll


I gather you looked at my link above in this thread and this is your answer.
Certainly I agree with you; if not I wouldn't have been backing Ron Paul when people were giving him no shot.
So long as you think (with your brain, NOT your heart) that Kucinich has a chance to be elected you should vote for him.
However the minute you realize (if it comes) that he has no shot, you need to look at the link above and ask yourself if you want to cast a vote that has a chance of bringing about an end to the interventionalist "police the world" foreign policy or do do you want to cast a vote to make yourself feel good.
For you the deadline for that decision will be January 21.
On that day (in California!) you need to decide if you will sacrifice for your country and register Republican.
When that day comes I think you will recognize that Kucinich is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee but Ron Paul's campaign is just rolling into high gear.
And you need to decide if the killing (and TRILLIONS spent by the military-industrial complex) will continue or if you will vote to end it.
Only time will tell.
Democrats, independents and republicans across the nation are coming to one conclusion:
it's ENDLESS war (Iran next up!) or Ron Paul and peace!



Owner59 -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/1/2007 4:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

hopefully the Santa Ana's are going to remain subdued  for the rest of this year



      Shame those Nobel winners who can tell us all about the future of our climate can't get a good handle on predicting a regular, seasonal event like the winds. [:D]

     I've been living with the Santa Ana's for 10 years.  That might be a lot to hope for.


 Shame those Nobel winners who can tell us all about the future of our climate can't get a good handle on predicting a regular, seasonal event like the winds. [:D]

Actually,they did predict this.Thanks for bringing it up.

For years,scientists have been saying that weather patterns and trends would be drastically changed,by climate change.The upper atmosphere jet streams would shift ,and ocean temperatures would change,and affect how weather,weather patterns,and atmospheric trends behave.

The super dry,hot wind blowing from the east, in from the desert,is a major factor in how the fire spread.
(as well of course,there`s half the California National Guard stuck in bush`s quagmire,Iraq, that`s made things worse)

  The wind is usually blowing in from the ocean,cool and moist,in the opposite direction.But that trend has shifted.And now we have the worst wild fire in US history.
Climate change isn`t the cause,but rather an aggravating factor,to what is the normal  behavior of wild fires.


The whole thing(global patterns) get`s scrambled a bit,as well as the overall increase in temperature.I know things are changing.The ground used to freeze more than a foot deep,when I was growing up.Now,for the last 8 years,the ground remains unfrozen,in the dead of winter.That`s not a small thing.



It`s interesting,that even a victims of climate change,would still argue against taking any pro-active steps,to reverse the trend.


I liked what Edwards said(I think),that we shouldn`t just be patriotic in war,but also in how we deal with climate change,energy independence,and our environment.



TheHeretic -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/1/2007 5:51:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


For years,scientists have been saying that weather patterns and trends would be drastically changed,by climate change.The upper atmosphere jet streams would shift ,and ocean temperatures would change,and affect how weather,weather patterns,and atmospheric trends behave.

The super dry,hot wind blowing from the east, in from the desert,is a major factor in how the fire spread.
(as well of course,there`s half the California National Guard stuck in bush`s quagmire,Iraq, that`s made things worse)

The wind is usually blowing in from the ocean,cool and moist,in the opposite direction.But that trend has shifted.And now we have the worst wild fire in US history.
Climate change isn`t the cause,but rather an aggravating factor,to what is the normal  behavior of wild fires.





          More ignorance.  The Santa Ana winds are a regular, seasonal occurrence, not some freak 'global warming' event.  We get them here every year, just like we get wildfires.  The damage numbers aren't in yet, but the acreage burned is nothing spectacular, considering we had 12 separate fires. 

         



juliaoceania -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/1/2007 6:11:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterDoc1

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

In the primaries we are voting for the candidate that we most feel would represent the way we want the country run. If we do not do this we might as well forsake primaries altogether and elect the candidates via Gallup opinion poll


I gather you looked at my link above in this thread and this is your answer.
Certainly I agree with you; if not I wouldn't have been backing Ron Paul when people were giving him no shot.
So long as you think (with your brain, NOT your heart) that Kucinich has a chance to be elected you should vote for him.
However the minute you realize (if it comes) that he has no shot, you need to look at the link above and ask yourself if you want to cast a vote that has a chance of bringing about an end to the interventionalist "police the world" foreign policy or do do you want to cast a vote to make yourself feel good.
For you the deadline for that decision will be January 21.
On that day (in California!) you need to decide if you will sacrifice for your country and register Republican.
When that day comes I think you will recognize that Kucinich is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee but Ron Paul's campaign is just rolling into high gear.
And you need to decide if the killing (and TRILLIONS spent by the military-industrial complex) will continue or if you will vote to end it.
Only time will tell.
Democrats, independents and republicans across the nation are coming to one conclusion:
it's ENDLESS war (Iran next up!) or Ron Paul and peace!


I do not believe Ron Paul has any more chance than Dennis Kucinich... not from the polls I have been reading.

I registered as a democrat to vote for DK the last election. I have been meaning to change back to inde, but since I have not done so yet, and Dennis is running again.. well I will wait until after the primary.

While I respect your opinion, and I do not dislike Ron Paul, I would never register as a republican until they change their platform utterly and completely. I find it highly unlikely that I will ever be aligned with any political party ever again, unless it was a third party. I cannot wait reregister after the primary is over.



Sanity -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/1/2007 6:30:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
        More ignorance.  The Santa Ana winds are a regular, seasonal occurrence, not some freak 'global warming' event.  We get them here every year, just like we get wildfires.  The damage numbers aren't in yet, but the acreage burned is nothing spectacular, considering we had 12 separate fires.           


Jim Morrison sang about the seasonal Santa-Ana fed California wildfires around 1970, just before chicken little began screaming "Global Cooling"

Well, I just got into town about an hour ago
Took a look around, see which way the wind blow
Where the little girls in their Hollywood bungalows

Are you a lucky little lady in the City of Light
Or just another lost angel...City of Night
City of Night, City of Night, City of Night, woo, c'mon

L.A. Woman, L.A. Woman
L.A. Woman Sunday afternoon
L.A. Woman Sunday afternoon
L.A. Woman Sunday afternoon
Drive thru your suburbs
Into your blues, into your blues, yeah
Into your blue-blue Blues
Into your blues, ohh, yeah

I see your hair is burnin'
Hills are filled with fire
If they say I never loved you
You know they are a liar
Drivin' down your freeways
Midnite alleys roam
Cops in cars, the topless bars
Never saw a woman...
So alone, so alone
So alone, so alone

Motel Money Murder Madness
Let's change the mood from glad to sadness

Mr. Mojo Risin', Mr. Mojo Risin'
Mr. Mojo Risin', Mr. Mojo Risin'
Got to keep on risin'
Mr. Mojo Risin', Mr. Mojo Risin'
Mojo Risin', gotta Mojo Risin'
Mr. Mojo Risin', gotta keep on risin'
Risin', risin'
Gone risin', risin'
I'm gone risin', risin'
I gotta risin', risin'
Well, risin', risin'
I gotta, wooo, yeah, risin'
Woah, ohh yeah

Well, I just got into town about an hour ago
Took a look around, see which way the wind blow
Where the little girls in their Hollywood bungalows

Are you a lucky little lady in the City of Light
Or just another lost angel...City of Night
City of Night, City of Night, City of Night, woah, c'mon

L.A. Woman, L.A. Woman
L.A. Woman, your my woman
Little L.A. Woman, Little L.A. Woman
L.A. L.A. Woman Woman
L.A. Woman c'mon




MasterDoc1 -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 12:30:39 AM)

Julia: all I suggested was wait and see. By January 21 I think it will be VERY obvious that Ron Paul has 100 times the chance that Kucinich has. I will repost this close to that date.
For president you vote for a person, NOT a party.
I was also registered independent until a few months ago. Then I saw hope of overturning the military-industrial complex.



Sunao -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 2:11:23 AM)

Wouldn't it be crazy if all the people who want to run for president ran and then the  top two most voted for people would become Pres and Vice Pres. I really don't understand why we have different political parties but oh well. It would be kinda hard to imagine a world that had Gore as President and Bush as Vice. I'm voting for Dennis though.



juliaoceania -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 6:40:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterDoc1

Julia: all I suggested was wait and see. By January 21 I think it will be VERY obvious that Ron Paul has 100 times the chance that Kucinich has. I will repost this close to that date.
For president you vote for a person, NOT a party.
I was also registered independent until a few months ago. Then I saw hope of overturning the military-industrial complex.

Unless he wins the primary, his level of support matters nothing... unless he is the chosen one to win, he won't win... it is how the system works, and the powers that be have not chosen him

So he is the same fringe as Dennis Kucinich... He has no chance to win, just like DK doesn't.



SuzanneKneeling -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 8:00:15 AM)

Heretic, Owner59 is correct. Climate change is not the sole cause of all those fires (obviously, at least one of them was lit by a kid). But with increasing temperature swings that are coming from it, the conditions for fires will be more optimal than before, and the extent of the damage will be exacerbated by the drier situations that result.

Also, you are repeating a commonly-employed red herring with your (purposeful, I know) conflation of "weather" with "climate". Two fundamentally different time scales there.



LotusSong -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 8:38:45 AM)

I like him.  He was mayor of Cleveland, Ohio in the 80's I believe.   His passionate speech can come across as irritating thus blurring his message.   just wish he wasn't so butt-ugly!  Combine his passion with Mitt Romney's looks and he might have something :)



Owner59 -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 10:26:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


For years,scientists have been saying that weather patterns and trends would be drastically changed,by climate change.The upper atmosphere jet streams would shift ,and ocean temperatures would change,and affect how weather,weather patterns,and atmospheric trends behave.

The super dry,hot wind blowing from the east, in from the desert,is a major factor in how the fire spread.
(as well of course,there`s half the California National Guard stuck in bush`s quagmire,Iraq, that`s made things worse)

The wind is usually blowing in from the ocean,cool and moist,in the opposite direction.But that trend has shifted.And now we have the worst wild fire in US history.
Climate change isn`t the cause,but rather an aggravating factor,to what is the normal  behavior of wild fires.





        More ignorance.  The Santa Ana winds are a regular, seasonal occurrence, not some freak 'global warming' event.  We get them here every year, just like we get wildfires.  The damage numbers aren't in yet, but the acreage burned is nothing spectacular, considering we had 12 separate fires. 

       


True,but they`re getting worse.That was my point.Thanks again.

And don`t forget about all those National guard guys in Iraq,getting shot at for nothing.That fire might have been contained,had those guys been home,with there equipment.

Can we start to care about America,and bring  them home from Iraq?

Kucinich, would do just that. 



juliaoceania -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 8:50:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I like him.  He was mayor of Cleveland, Ohio in the 80's I believe.   His passionate speech can come across as irritating thus blurring his message.   just wish he wasn't so butt-ugly!  Combine his passion with Mitt Romney's looks and he might have something :)


I would do DK before I would do Romney.... the thought of Romney in a sexual way may put me off having sex ever again... (replaces sexual thought of Romney with thoughts of Sinergy... ah, much better now[;)])



farglebargle -> RE: Dennis Kucinich (11/2/2007 9:32:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I like him. He was mayor of Cleveland, Ohio in the 80's I believe. His passionate speech can come across as irritating thus blurring his message. just wish he wasn't so butt-ugly! Combine his passion with Mitt Romney's looks and he might have something :)


From wikipedia, regarding Muny Light.:

In December 1978, Mayor Dennis Kucinich refused to sell the company when a number of banks, which were heavily invested in Muny Light's privately owned competitor, the Cleveland Electric Illuminating Company (better known as CEI or The Illuminating Company) refused to roll over the city's debt, as had previously been customary. This was seen as a bad move at the time - unable to pay its debts, the city became the first since the Great Depression to enter default - but Kucinich's decision was later vindicated by both city officials and the U.S. Senate, which found that CEI and the banks had acted improperly.



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