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Spiritual - 10/22/2007 2:33:56 PM

nephandi

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Hi

i have been talking whit my Master and both see BDSM and M/s as an almost spiritual thing. Do anyone else see it like that and in what ways do you see it as Spiritual?

i wish you all well

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 2:39:57 PM

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I do see it as spiritual, and for me that is a major attraction. It is certainly transformative and in many ways is it also meditative. There are certain altered states or headspaces that are possible, and of course there is much in common between the practises of ascetics of many traditions and BDSM. I could discuss almost any aspect of it for hours, and I'm willing to. I used to be a Pastor and I was shocked to discover that so much of what I learned in Pastoral school translated directly to being a good Dom.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 2:40:02 PM

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nah, i don't see it as spiritual; then again, i never saw all my acid trips or days of being high out of my mind, as being spiritual either, but it worked for don juan, native americans, and several religious groups, etc., so more power to you if you do! i tend to think that people over-romaticize their bdsm d/s, master/slave or whateveryouwanttocall it, relationships!

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 2:56:36 PM

batshalom

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Sometimes it can be spiritual, yes, a getting down into the core of who we are meant to be, and it can meditative (as seangray said) especially if I am concentrating my way through and past pain. Mostly, though, it is simply my nature to be a submissive - wanting to please and be pleasing, wanting that control in someone else's hands.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 3:10:29 PM

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I believe any relationship, any activity/aspect that people can do, has a spiritual side to it. It can be as much, (or as little.) as we put into it.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 4:58:14 PM

Prinsexx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi
Do anyone else see it like that and in what ways do you see it as Spiritual

I loved this question. I loved it becasue it is a challenging question. When attempting to answer it I realised that the answer was yes but then I hade to back track and think and consider why.
I then thought hey at this moment I am clearer about my bdsm than my spiritual ife. So I went to an online dictionary to get a good mix of a definition and came up with this one:

Spiritual: of or pertaining to soul, and the metaphysical, as distinguished from the purely physical approach to life.

So yes i would say that my bdsm relationships are spirtual since they transcend the purely physical. They involve trust, respect, reciprocity, sensitivity and communication, both physical and cerebral.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 5:02:03 PM

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I am a highly spiritual woman and bdsm is very spiritually oriented to Me in some regards...

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 5:16:56 PM

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Not at all.

bdsm is the greatest....It is a cure all for cancer, lupus, irritable bowel syndrome as well as halitosis....It is sooooo much better than 'nilla!!.....Those 'nilla folks die all of the time from numerous diseases and their spritual beings live a totally unfullfilled existance....Poor things.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 5:19:48 PM

chellekitty

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if i don't feel a spiritual connection in casual play, the scene doesn't last long and i only play with them once...

as for relationships....there absolutely, without a doubt, is a spiritual connection...its a requirement for me...but i am a very spiritual person, in everything i do...why would i exclude it in M/s?

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 5:21:19 PM

YesMistressIrish

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seangrey

I do see it as spiritual, and for me that is a major attraction. It is certainly transformative and in many ways is it also meditative. There are certain altered states or headspaces that are possible, and of course there is much in common between the practises of ascetics of many traditions and BDSM. I could discuss almost any aspect of it for hours, and I'm willing to. I used to be a Pastor and I was shocked to discover that so much of what I learned in Pastoral school translated directly to being a good Dom.

I agree with what he said. Rock-On seangrey.

domi guy: tsk tsk

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 5:28:02 PM

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BDSM itself is not spiritual for me. However, the connection between my Master and I, and the places he takes me inside myself, can be. I would consider spiritual to be something that affects my spirit in a somewhat profound way, contributing positively to my inner essence. I know of a lot of people who find passionate acts of sex can be spiritual, whether D/s or not, however. For me it's about the connection I have to the person I am with. BDSM acts are not the conduit that takes me there.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 6:47:02 PM

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BDSM can be one avenue of spiritual energy exchange for me. I have others as well. But dropping into sub-space puts me into a similar place that I went when I was doing the Pentecostal thing regularly. The energy exchange within a relationship, especially a D/s one where I am giving service sans pain, gives quiet, peace-filled energy very much like the meditative places I go within my spiritual journey. It's not spiritual in that I'm not seeing any Dominant/Master as God but it is spiritual in the soul-deep, energy exchange that happens.

Just my thoughts........

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 6:49:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Hi

i have been talking whit my Master and both see BDSM and M/s as an almost spiritual thing. Do anyone else see it like that and in what ways do you see it as Spiritual?

i wish you all well

Absolutely.

-Grace

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 7:19:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Hi

i have been talking whit my Master and both see BDSM and M/s as an almost spiritual thing. Do anyone else see it like that and in what ways do you see it as Spiritual?

i wish you all well

I don't.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 7:30:37 PM

MsPleasure

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Spiritual No. Fun, interesting, exciting Yes.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 7:56:24 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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I'm surprised you started this thread considering you started an almost identical one about exactly a year ago.

But here you go:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 10:11:50 PM

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i have mixed feeling about this subject. Mostly because in some situations i do see how people have overly romanticized about it. You know the whole "the one" or "there is this complete spiritual connection." (This is a general statement and not for anyone to get offended by.) I have never once seen a relationship that was based on affatuation actually come to a spot when "the rubber meets the road" and are still together. This is because there was nothing ever formed that was real. These are hormons that sooner or later will disappear. Then the only thing that will keep things going is if there was a connection to each other in diffrent areas.

That being said. i have come to realize that to some point there is a spirituality in scening and in learning more about myself in a growing relationship. Not one where i loose myself in the process, but grow more into myself. I am a very spiritual person, and know that anything that does help me grow spiritually will sooner or later die away. There haven't been any long term relationships in my one year of exploring, but i have experienced the beauty of a complete power exchange a couple of times. It is my goal to try to find more spiritual connections through this, but also have fun.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/22/2007 10:55:34 PM

Willowmoon

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Hey try having a look at these two books - I found them on amazon.

Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM & the Ordeal Path
by Raven Kaldera

Philosophy In the Dungeon, The Magic of Sex & Spirit
by Jack Rinella

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RE: Spiritual - 10/23/2007 5:31:29 AM

TNstepsout

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Yes I do find it to be spiritual, but without all the esoteric trappings. I find it to be spirituality condensed down to it's most simple form, and that is relating and connecting and sharing a moment in time with other beings.

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RE: Spiritual - 10/23/2007 5:53:20 AM

phoenixinchains

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if you are a spirital person, everything in your life is relitive through your spirituality. just my thoughts on the matter, phoenix

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