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ownedgirlie -> Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 12:27:21 AM)

I've had it with AT&T.  I have had problems with my DSL service for 2 months now.  They told me it's my wireless network adapter and to call the manufacturer. But every test I ran on the thing shows it's working just fine.  They told me my ethernet cable is bad (neither wireless or ethernet were working).  So I replaced it.  Nope, still no DSL.  They told me to get a new wireless modem, so I did.  Nope, still no DSL.  They tell me my computer is configured incorrectly, and I've spent about a gazillion hours on the phone with them, experimenting with various configurations.  Nope, still no DSL.

But then I took a month long trip to 13 states.  And in every state, both wireless and ethernet connections worked on my laptop.  None of those 13 connections were with AT&T.

See a common denominator here?

So I called AT&T today and said listen up folks, you're the problem, so fix it.  He wanted to reconfigure my system.  Nope.  It didn't need reconfiguring in 13 states.  He wanted me to reboot the modem.  Yeah, did that 17 times, thank you but no thanks.  Turn off my Virus Scanner, he says.  Oh sure, let's infiltrate my computer with viruses. 

His last suggestion - and you'll love this - I can purchase a support package through AT&T to get a greater level of support.

So I said, "Let me get this straight.  You want me to BUY support for a product I'm already paying for but you're not providing???"

Yep, that was pretty much it.

So I switched to Earthlink.

Ya gotta laugh.  Feel free to add ridiculous problem solution suggestions you have received.   We can create our own Darwin Awards nominations.  [:D]





SugarMyChurro -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 12:36:36 AM)

If the connection had ever worked and you had already checked your own components (most of which they actually send you: dsl modem, telephone line, filters, and an ethernet cable), they can and should check the line. It's that simple.

Now maybe customer service is worse since the last buy up/consolidation, but it used to be that if you just insisted the fault was on their side the support wasn't that bad and the resolution came fairly quickly.

But hey, they shouldn't have to be guided by the customer so much either.

Last I heard Earthlink was near belly up. So I am not sure that's going to be the solution you hoped for.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 12:46:23 AM)

We'll see.  The connection worked for two years.  And then it didn't work anymore.  I insisted it was them.  They offered to charge me for better support.  I loved that - charging me for support on a product I'm paying for but not receiving.  Priceless!

AT&T doesn't need my business.  Losing it is insignificant to them.  And unless a serious competitor starts eating their share of the pie, they have no reason to improve their customer service. 

I had Earthlink before and their customer service was spectacular.  Talking to them tonight was a breath of fresh air.  So I'll enjoy them till they die off, assuming they do.




LadyEllen -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 2:04:13 AM)

I have to say, this is what drives me mad about IT.

Back in the 80s, when we were all educated about computers, we were told that these wondrous new machines were dead stupid and could only do what they were meant to do, what they had been told to do. It all seemed so simple.

Fast forward 25 years and I find that such as I was told is simply not the case - IT can do any one of a number of things when you switch it on. This leads me to wonder why no scientific enquiry has been made into the matter - after all, science tells us that if you do (a) and (b) then (c) will result, but with IT, anything from (c) to (z) could occur.

And when one gets hold of an IT consultant to deal with such matters, it doesnt bring to mind a scientific approach, well grounded in professional knowledge the way they deal with them. Instead, one seems to recruit a kind of mediaeval alchemist who relies as much on chance and sorcery to achieve a resolution. And most definitely, their explanations (when they have them) are purely framed in the language of magic. To stress the point perhaps, but an explanation such as "you did not light the candles in order and chant the name of Microsoft with sufficient volume" for why result (m) was achieved, is something I would not be surprised to hear.

The point is this. If I buy a car, I dont need to or want to understand the principles of the combustion engine to be able to drive it. I expect to turn the key and have the engine start and to be able to drive. Why the same principle does not extend to IT, I do not understand - and nor should I expect to of course, not having been initiated into the Great Mystery.

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Level -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 2:08:33 AM)

Sorry for the pain, owned. I have RoadRunner, and love it.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 2:22:42 AM)

The underlying problem is that the sofware packages that handle digital transmission/decoding are now so complicated that it is almost certain that no one person understands "the lot".

The hardware may well be "working"




meatcleaver -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 2:39:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

And when one gets hold of an IT consultant to deal with such matters, it doesnt bring to mind a scientific approach, well grounded in professional knowledge the way they deal with them. Instead, one seems to recruit a kind of mediaeval alchemist who relies as much on chance and sorcery to achieve a resolution. And most definitely, their explanations (when they have them) are purely framed in the language of magic. To stress the point perhaps, but an explanation such as "you did not light the candles in order and chant the name of Microsoft with sufficient volume" for why result (m) was achieved, is something I would not be surprised to hear.



I've long since come to the opinion that your average IT expert is only an expert in flannel. I had problems with the computer I used for work, I must have had six different experts look at it and none could get it to work properly, everyone had a different reason why it wasn't working and several had me paying out for a new this or that. In the end to save me money and my business I bought a new computer and gave the old one to my ex's nephew to practice his IT skills on. Of course he got the old one working perfectly. I asked him how, he said he just gave it a clean out and reinstalled everything. Next time I'll be the expert, I could have done that myself but I fell on the side of caution and got people in who claimed to know what they were doing.




CuriousLord -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 3:33:25 AM)

Adelphia used to be like that a lot with their cable service.  We've found new and creative ways to get in touch with those in charge of scheduling just short of legal harrasement.

Turns out they upgraded the pipes in our neighborhood after about three times to fix system as it wasn't made to support the growing network there.  Something I doubt they'd have done if we were less persistent.  I'm rather surprised we didn't have to drop them, to tell the truth.




pahunkboy -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 4:17:28 AM)

The last time they tried to sell me something- I asked why they have 200 lobbiests fighting Net Nuetrality.  Gee. the call ended real fast




Crush -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 4:34:28 AM)

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
---Albert Einstein

However, this NOT true when dealing with a PC, especially a Windows-based one!




joanus -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 4:57:23 AM)

Dude the guy probably only had about a weeks worth of traning. Having worked for EDS (I was the guy you got when you called tech support because your sprint cell phone is ass rapeing your callers) And they only give you a weeks worth of training but call you a full trained and licnsed Pro. Yeah right we where a room full of geeks and weirdos, (one guy actually wore a cape). Any who point is it was probably that you just got some guy who had no idea what was going on, or how to do his job. I know I've been there done that. I find AT&T very reliable and I get great service on my internet, Oh wait I for got I'm Piggiebacking off the Courthouse's Wireless connecting, Lighting fast and it never goes down (just like my last girl friend, bitch) The goverment has get Net service.




pahunkboy -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 5:08:29 AM)

verizon would not update my line at the old place. even tho 20 feet away it worked. when i asked if i have to get 50 ppl to sign the petition, she told me that isnt necessary cos we serve your area.




Marc2b -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 8:39:36 AM)


quote:

Sorry for the pain, owned. I have RoadRunner, and love it.


I’ve been on dial-up ever since the Internet was invented [insert generic Al Gore joke here] but have decided that it is time to move into the 21st century and have been seriously considering Road Runner. I would appreciate any helpful info you can give me. Is set up a hassle? Do they hit you with a lot of extra fees? I have cable television but what if I should want to get rid of it but keep the Road Runner? Is that doable? How are they with security, blocking pop-ups, etc?




soultoshare -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 9:11:16 AM)

Your problem wasn't with AT&T, you just needed a bigger computer hammer!!!!!  (Being facetious here!)

I have dial up...suits me fine for what I do, and I've heard everyone bitching about their provider's service when they have problems with their connection, so I'm pretty sure I'll keep dial up.  AT&T isn't the only one out there who just wants the money and could care less about the return to their customers.  Most of the big businesses are just as bad.

Never underestimate the power of a good swift whack with a hammer!  [:D]




LadyLynx -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 9:20:14 AM)

I have AT&T now, (got it when it was SBCGlobal.)  A while back it was a pain in the ass trying to get online, I was usually able to get online in the morning before work.  Now it is more consistant, though I am constantly checking to see if we have service.  No internet service is 100% perfect.




DomKen -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 9:35:48 AM)

I'm an IT professional and spent a while doing hardware/software support.

Sure back in the days of DOS and 5 meg hard drives it was possible to have a good handle on all possible interactions that could cause something to stop working. Now though? It's a nightmare. Take the home desktop machine. It came with a bundle of stuff already installed, most of which nobody ever uses but its all there clogging the registry and keeping old DLL's around. This often includes a half dozen or so different dial up packages. Any one of which can be safely installed but should someone accidently install two or more? Reformating the hard drive and starting from scratch really is the easiest solution.

Then there is all the stuff you install that you hardly even realize you install. Got Acrobat Reader? Notice how smoothly it lets you click on a link to a PDF and let's you read it right in the browser? How about flash or quicktime or WMP? In order to have that nice seamless in the browser interaction requires a lot of seperate entries be made in the registry. So does something like enabling the double clicking of a document causing the appropriate program to launch and load the file you clicked which is there for most every program you install even if you never use it.

How do all the various windows open the same size and position every time? More junk crammed into the registry.

Now when it comes time to uninstall something or upgrade to a new version the existing installer programs are not usually good about cleaning up all those registry entries or deleting all the files the install shoved all over ther place.

So eventually your nice simple computer is an absolute mess "under the hood" and sometimes it simply is the case that when something mysteriously stops working the simple solution is to just reinstall the OS and everything else from scratch,

Although in the OP's case it is defintely a problem upstream from her computer. I had AT&T DSL when it was still seperate from SBC. Service and support were ok but once the buyout was completed I was involuntarily switched to that Yahoo/AT&T service and I had no end of problems.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Darwin Awards for Corporate America (10/22/2007 11:10:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
Although in the OP's case it is defintely a problem upstream from her computer. I had AT&T DSL when it was still seperate from SBC. Service and support were ok but once the buyout was completed I was involuntarily switched to that Yahoo/AT&T service and I had no end of problems.


Thanks, DomKen, this is indeed the case.  My laptop's wireless works just fine anywhere but when connecting to AT&T/Yahoo.  In fact, I can even connect to my neighbor when he's up & running, so it's not even some strange black ju ju frequency in my apartment.  It's AT&T!!!  I have talked to about a dozen tech support people there, and one night actually spent 3 1/2 hours on the phone trying to sort this out with them.  That was just one call - there have been countless others.  THEY are the problem.

Working in an IT dept myself, I certainly understand the "under the hood" issues you're talking about.  I'm not a techie, personally, but I know what they go through.

I'm on dial up now, until I get a resolution, but dial up doesn't work for my needs.

Haven't heard of RoadRunner.  Will look into it - thanks, Level.




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