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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/21/2007 6:53:15 PM   
marieToo


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Status: offline 		I've never been in subspace, but have always believed (for the most part) that whatever happens during 'scening' is the responsibility of both parties involved. 

That said, If I DID drift into this thing that people describe as subspace, I would hope the dominant party would recognize it or at least be aware of the possibility of it happening, and act accordingly and responsibly.


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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/21/2007 6:57:12 PM   
painlovingsub


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ORIGINAL: Raechard

This reminds me of a case I heard about recently. Someone stabbed their wife to death while asleep because it was a case of sleepkilling which is similar to sleepwalking but without the walking part. He got a total discharge due to a temporary insanity plea. I thought to myself that that was a pretty convenient defence and so hard to prove but the law obviously fell for it.

I don’t think the law recognises subspace but then some of us don’t either.


Damn... that's all i can say...

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/21/2007 6:59:44 PM   
sammiebabygirl


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

He loves the things I say/mumble/scribble/sing during that time.  He calls it my "truth syrum" because I'll freely and joyfully reveal what's in the depth of my mind and heart.  The truest of my truths is shared during those times, and any emotion I feel is generally enhanced greatly.


This reminds me of a little affliction I have. I am into major tickle torture, but it often induces in me what I call T.I.T.S. Tickle Induced Tourette's Syndrome.
 
I have absolutely NO control of what comes out of my mouth and have been known to become quite profane towards my tickler.
 
Luckily, no one has ever become offended by anything I have said and when it has occurred at play parties, people have called it "entertaining". Thank goodness.
 
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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/21/2007 8:39:41 PM   
kokonut


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Status: offline 		hehe i can't do more than mumble at best when i'm in subspace i only say stupid things when i'm fully accountable for them :(

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 5:44:19 AM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		I go nonverbal when deeply spacing. I'd be majorly pissed with someone that demanded I both go to a nonverbal place and be verbal at the same time.  And dragging me suddenly out of it is not the way to get me to feel warm and fuzzy towards you.

He knows that if I've been spacing, there are things he can't ask out of me. I can talk a little while later but not on subjects of serious importance. But my reflexes are off if I haven't been allowed to sleep for 10 or 15 minutes. Even a couple of hours later I find driving to be extremely difficult so he doesn't demand it of me if we have to get up and run errands immediately.

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 6:23:48 AM   
thetammyjo


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Should a man be held accountable for what they say or do when they are drunk?


subspace is an altered state of mind...just like being drunk or on drugs....



And just like getting drunk you usually get into that space with your consent.

So yes, I'd say that each adult should be held accountable for his/her actions and words. But unlike in vanilla life in a Ds relationship the dominant should also have some responsibility to help his/her sub come back to a functional level so that any actions or words that might cause embarrassment or hurt are minimized. Even in the vanilla world bars can be held to a standard of cutting someone off from drinking in some areas and hosts at parties can be held accountable if they let guests drink drunk in some areas (very rare I think)>

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 6:26:15 AM   
RRafe


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Status: offline 		No, but it should be videotaped, and played back to her for laughs and giggles.

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 6:38:17 AM   
Squeakers


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Status: offline 		   I seldom talk when I hit deep subspace.    When I am sexually charged, I might say something that would be out of the norm.   However, if I were to get up and move to a different room, that charge would dimish.  

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 7:04:30 AM   
GhitaAmati


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Status: offline 		Im confused...what is it you think you need to be accountable for? Using the word "Master" or admitting to a guy cumming on your face at the club....seeing as how its a swingers club, Im pretty sure theyve all seen someone get their face covered in cum berfore and most of them are probably fairly interested in hearing about it. As for using the word "Master"...all of the swingers clubs around here have "fetish" rooms at the club somewhere with spanking benches and other bdsm type accoutrements..so most people around here are fairly aware of us BDSMers. Some swingers enjoy it as more play, others just dont go in those rooms. Sceneing in front of those type people would not be very responsible but I have never gotten even a bad look for using a title at a swingers club, they all mainly just take it in stride. 90% of the time Ive found them to be fairly open to others kinks...

Now...if you are just using that dream as an example and are wondering about future outbreaks of another kind...then..well..I hate to say it but yea..you are responsible just like you are when you are drunk. If you know that after a scene you are unable to be cohearent and focus on your words then it is your responsibility to make that fact known to the person you are playing with so they can decide how best to handle that. If you dont trust the person you are playing with to be that responsible, then you shouldnt be playing with them at all.

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 8:32:41 AM   
batshalom


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Status: offline 		No! No! Ghita! Vote the other way, and always claim "I couldn't help it, I was in subspace." Gawd, it sure could come in handy.

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 10:40:04 AM   
DarkDaddyZ


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Status: offline 		Dreams are just that: Dreams.
But there needs to be some level of accountablity in real life.  I'm no sub but I get high after a good scene and I believe subspace is similar to the high I feel when topping.  So I try not to leave my partner alone right after that. Because of the buzz.

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 12:44:54 PM   
slaverosebeauty


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Status: offline 		When I'm in subspace I'm not aware of what's going on, where I am and for the most part, who I'm with; I have to lean on my partner to make decisions and have my best interests at heart and to look out for me.  Like others have said, its like being on drugs or drunk [I've never done drugs and I don't drink so I am guessing]. Sub-space is so much deeper and more enjoyable than either though; plus, its legal.   
 
However, I am currently in a simliar state currently; I'm on some strong pain meds and legally I am not allowed to sign any legal binding agreement or the like and I have evidently said some things this weekend to a few people that were a bit out of character for me.  Am I being held responsible for what I have said? Yes, for the most part; a few friends are enjoying me being 'loopy' evidently.
 
What you said in your dream was not so far 'out there' that it would have done any harm, it was something that under normal circumstances you would not have shared though.

~~edited coz i'm still kinda loopy and can't spell~~

< Message edited by slaverosebeauty -- 10/22/2007 12:48:21 PM >

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RE: Should a sub be held accountable for what they do o... - 10/22/2007 4:48:29 PM   
slavejes


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Status: offline 		i thought this was a good question a lot of slaves will just say yes to anything while in this state, but a good master should not be tempted and take advantage of the situation.

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