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sammiebabygirl -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/19/2007 10:29:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel

I will tell you right now that they didn't know what they were talking about...


Interesting. Especially since the course was taught by the AIDS Council of Northeastern NY. I guess I will have to research this further.
 
jen




apiercedkitty -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/20/2007 6:55:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Daddyskittin

As a CMA in the absence of an autoclave... which I would not invest in unless medical play was the next best thing to sliced bread to me... 10% bleach solution made fresh daily... it's the only thing that kills all solution wise....it's what we use in the lab in the invent of a splash or spill... and yes it does kill HIV which only lives for 3 seconds after being exposed to air... and yes it kills HEP B that can hang around for weeks.
 

One problem with doing this is that bleach causes metal to rust - quite quickly.




Daddyskittin -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/20/2007 7:19:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel

I will tell you right now that they didn't know what they were talking about...


Interesting. Especially since the course was taught by the AIDS Council of Northeastern NY. I guess I will have to research this further.
 
jen


I guess I'm with you jen, and I'll have to research further myself because it was taught to me and instituted in every hospital, doctors office, and lab I've ever worked in or been in as a major part of Universal Precautions.


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ORIGINAL: apiercedkitty

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ORIGINAL: Daddyskittin

As a CMA in the absence of an autoclave... which I would not invest in unless medical play was the next best thing to sliced bread to me... 10% bleach solution made fresh daily... it's the only thing that kills all solution wise....it's what we use in the lab in the invent of a splash or spill... and yes it does kill HIV which only lives for 3 seconds after being exposed to air... and yes it kills HEP B that can hang around for weeks.
 

One problem with doing this is that bleach causes metal to rust - quite quickly.


yes apiercedkitty it will rust metal especially if your continuesly using it... thats why I suggested unless medical play is the next best thing as sliced bread to you... ie... if someone is just getting into it or perhaps it's something that someone dabbles in every now and then the expense of an autoclave probably wouldn't be necessary... and there are some alternatives such as ways to decontaminante, and as other people have suggested inexpensive ways to replace part time equipment.




Silky918 -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/20/2007 11:04:19 AM)

Good point about MRSA, PrimitveLogic.  I work in the healthcare field and we are seeing a huge increase in the number of MRSA cases we see. 

In the interests of informing those who may not know and don't work in healthcare, MRSA takes some fairly heavy-duty antibiotics to get rid of and even after visible lesions or spots are gone, it can colonize in certain areas of the body.  If it does that, it can flare up again with the smallest of wounds to the skin.

MRSA has a hard-surface contagion vector, so blades or needles are prime areas for contamination.  We do have some pre-packaged wipes that we use, rather like alcohol pads.  If anyone is interested, I'll check to see what the ingredients are.

Silk




kisty -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/27/2007 1:29:07 PM)

come on now stef, what do you know about anything other than what you read about on line...btw, that mask is a definite improvement




sammy7626 -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/27/2007 4:06:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrimitiveLogic

I'm sure this has been reviewed elsewhere, but I felt it impotant enough to review...
Aside from talk regarding tool sterilization; mindful skin prep is another important component. Consider skin preparation seriously. As stated previously; alcohol (pads) do not kill germs. They are a mechanical removal agent. When giving injections; I rub vigorously in order to remove dead skin cells as well as surface bacteria. Another point  to consider...with recent press on MRSA (methicillin resistant staph aureus bacteria) it is imperative to familarize ourselves with all dangers in order to minimize risk in our partners as well as ourselves.
Remember that skin is our largest protective barrier to bacterial invasion. Make sure that any openings are cared for appropriately. If you need antibiotics, do not give them frivolously nor partially...give the entire dose; don't save any for  later. Don't take other people's meds...specific antibiotics work on specific organisms. Seek approp medical help if skin infections occur. Avoidance and denial kill more people then one can imagine.

MRSA pamphlet:
http://www.tpchd.org/files/library/2357adf2a147d1aa.pdf


I have had recommended, and used, Techni-care for all edge play (cutting, piercing, hooks, suspensions, and tattoos).  It is a surgical scrub, and more effective than anything else.  The following is a link for it (http://www.caretechlabs.com/cart/ctl-products-technicare.html)

The specifics, for those who don't want to click:

Microbiology
  1. Draize Dermal Irritation Test • Minimal Rating with a 0.08% Draize Equivalent.
  2. EyeTex/Ocular Safety & Irritation • Rated Mild
  3. SkinTex/Dermal Irritation Test • Minimal Rating
  4. Oral Toxicity • Non-Toxic LD50 > 15 grams per kilogram of body weight.
  5. Percent Bacterial Reduction Test (NCCLS Document M26-P protocol) • 99.99% reduction of Staphylococcus aureus, MRSA, Escherichia coli, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa in 30 second contact; 99.99% on Candida albicans in 30 second contact.
  6. Time Kill Study/1, 3, and 5 minutes • 99% bacterial reduction
  7. Hill Top Bio-Labs, Inc. - Kligman Occluded Site/Antimicrobial Efficacy and Irritation on Intact Skin • 99.975 inhibition of microflora in 24 hours on dermal occlusion. (Test of Substantivity)
  8. Broad spectrum in-vitro efficacy proven and documented.
  9. Inhibits Mycobacterium bovis - (tuberculan)- Suspension Testing - Hill Top Biolabs
  10. Wound Applications - Evaluation in process at the University of Minnesota Medical Center.
  11. Antibiotic Replacement Therapy • Open Abdominal Wounds - Evaluation in process at the University of Pittsburgh, Medical School. Certificate of Need - Life threatening - Immune Suppressed - V.R.E.F. and M.R.S.A.

At $24 per 8 oz, its fairly expensive, but well worth it to reduce the risks of infection and contaminations.




Rover -> RE: Medical and Edge Play and Safety (10/27/2007 4:14:52 PM)

 
Several years ago I attended a workshop presented by a Doctor of Microbiology whose background includes medical and theoretical research at both the hospital and university levels, and who (at the time) currently teaches at a major US university.  All credit for this information (at least that which I will correctly relate) should go to Dr. Grex who conducted the workshop.

I don't make it a practice to regurgitate what I have learned elsewhere, especially from workshops and demos that really should be attended in person.  However, the nature of this particular workshop is so compelling that I thought it would be helpful to the community as a whole to at least hear about the major topics covered.  I know that I learned quite a bit about being able to play safely, and to ensure that continued safety through adequate methods of cleaning toys and equipment.

The workshop first covered the difference between:
 

Sterilization:  The destruction or removal of all living cells, spores and viruses.
Disinfection:  Inhibiting, destroying or removing microorganisms that may cause disease.
Sanitization:  The reduction of microbial population to levels considered safe by public health standards. 


    As might be expected, attaining those various levels of cleanliness involve different processes and are more difficult to achieve as the level of cleanliness increases.

    We're all familiar with sanitizers, such as those found in some household hand cleaners, surface cleaners, etc.  We've even seen disinfectants that contain materials such as bleach.  But sterilizers are another animal altogether, and not something that we typically look for.  I think most people thought just as I did prior to this workshop; that disinfectants would do the job nicely.  How wrong I was. 

    Let's go through the process of first determining what items need which level of cleanliness, how to choose an object for purchase with cleanliness in mind, and then how to achieve it.

    The level of cleanliness that must be attained (ie: either sterile, disinfected or sanitized) depends upon how it is to be used (whether it simply comes in contact with the person, or is actually inserted into the person).  Knives, needles, dildos, speculums, etc. that are to be inserted into the body (either through an orifice or through the skin) demand sterilization.  Any amounts of microorganisms that may remain on those surfaces pose a substantial threat to health and safety.  Surfaces and toys that come in contact with bodily fluids such as blood or semen, but will not be inserted into the body, require at least disinfection.  And surfaces or toys that come in contact with the body, but do not come in contact with bodily fluids and are not inserted, require at least sanitization.

    The ease or difficulty of attaining those levels of cleanliness will depend in large part upon the type of material that an object is made of.  For example, glass or metal objects are much easier to clean than leather or wood objects that, on a microscopic level, contain numerous pits, valleys, nooks and crannies that may harbor infectious microorganisms.  Additionally, the methods for killing microorganisms also tend to destroy toys that are made of less durable materials, such as wood and leather.

    Consequently, cleanliness and safety begins when you first purchase a toy, by ensuring that the material it's made of is conducive to being able to properly clean it after the activity you intend it for.  That leather dildo, for example, may look really exciting.  But because it's a toy that is inserted into the body and could pose a threat of infection, it must be sterilized after each use.  And that leather is going to be infinitely more difficult to sterilize than glass, plastic, rubber or some other materials.  On the other hand, a leather table that might come in contact with you during a scene does not require sterilization, since it will not be inserted into the body.  Disinfection or sanitization (depending upon whether or not it comes in contact with bodily fluids), is sufficient.  Unless the table may somehow become inserted into the body, which isn't likely, and if it is I want pictures. 

    The next step is to determine whether an object is for a single use only.  Objects such as needles should be disposed of after each use.  Obviously, things such as knives or toys are used repetitively.  But even those items should be used ONLY on one individual, and not shared amongst others.  Any item that requires sterilization (ie: it will be inserted into the body) should either be a single use item, or a single person item.  No exceptions!!

    We're all familiar with the use of sanitizers.  They're found in hand cleaners, surface cleaners, etc.  Cleaning a play surface is no different than cleaning other surfaces in our homes that we come in contact with.  The same thing is true with disinfectants that we use to clean surfaces that come in contact with body fluids (ie: what is used in bathroom/toilet cleaners) and food preparation surfaces.  Generally speaking, those disinfectants contain bleach.  Ethanol alcohol is another good disinfectant, with an optimal concentration of 75 %.  Check the label.  Soaking for 10 to 15 minutes is sufficient to disinfect small instruments. 

    Sterilization for those items that will be inserted into the body is infinitely more difficult to achieve.  Contrary to some popular misconceptions, boiling water is NOT a sterilizer.  Alcohol is not a sterilizer.  Bleach (or chlorine) is not a sterilizer.  Iodine and hydrogen peroxide are not sterilizers.  A microwave is not a sterilizer.  The refrigerator or freezer is not a sterilizer.  Passing an object through a flame does not sterilize it.

    There are a variety of methods to achieve sterilization.  Most require expensive equipment, and are inappropriate for objects other than metal, glass, etc. because in the process of destroying microorganisms, they also tend to destroy leather, fabric, plastic, etc.  Following are two methods of sterilization that do work, and are commonly available to most of us.

    One method of sterilization that's in wide practice within the medical community is an autoclave.  An autoclave uses high, prolonged heat to fully sterilize glass and metal objects.  If you play with knives, speculums and other such objects, there may be a facility nearby where you can have those toys sterilized.  Check the yellow pages.  I'm also told that some facilities advertise over the internet.  The same results can be achieved using an oven, in which the objects are wrapped in tin foil (do not remove the tin foil until the object is to be used again, as that will expose it to microorganisms) and heated to temperatures of 320 to 340 degrees Fahrenheit for two to three hours.  Longer if the object is large.  Heat sterilization is obviously limited to those items that will not be destroyed by the heat itself.

    Another method of sterilization that can be commonly found is glutaraldehyde.  Gluteraldehyde in a 2 % solution used in a ten to twelve hour immersion is a very effective chemical sterilizer.  It's available over the counter under a variety of brand names wherever medical supplies are sold (ie: drug stores, etc.).  Check the label to make sure what you're getting!!!  Always remember to give things a quick bath in sterile water (no, not tap water) to remove any residue.  Remember, these objects are going to be inserted into the body, and you don't want to introduce any chemical irritants. 

    No matter which method of sterilization that is chosen, it's recommended to use a quick alcohol bath and allowing the object to air dry immediately before use. 

    Please note once again that both methods of sterilization are best used on metals, glass, plastic (in the case of gluteraldehyde) etc.  It's best to show some real thought before using an object in a manner that's inappropriate for the material it's made of. 

    As a disclaimer, I want to reiterate that I am not a medical professional.  I've written this piece entirely from my recollection of the workshop I attended, and from the notes and handouts from that workshop.  So if anyone is a medical professional, PLEASE feel free to make any corrections or additions to the information I've related.
     
    John




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