Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: japanese rope bondage


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: japanese rope bondage Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/20/2008 4:06:23 PM   
KaylinSilverfurr


Posts: 74
Joined: 1/15/2008
Status: offline 		-Fast Reply-

Nylon is quite possibly the worst rope to use for body bondage because of it's low burn speed and stretch. It's good for using as suspension ropes that are not in direct contact with the body. Hemp or hemp-jute blends are the best for Shibari, aside from cotton rope, and when processed carefully and correctly, can be just, if not more soft than rope made with silk fiber.

~Kaylin

< Message edited by KaylinSilverfurr -- 1/20/2008 4:27:05 PM >

(in reply to DaggerDom)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/20/2008 4:06:42 PM   
realtuffdom


Posts: 108
Joined: 7/16/2007
Status: offline 		I'd do Japanese rope bondage more often, but there's rarely any Japanese women around to tie up.

_____________________________

Always, Ram Ford Tough....

I have lots and lots of experience at domination. Now I'd just like to try it with a partner....

(in reply to LadyRope)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/20/2008 6:03:27 PM   
ImpGrrl


Posts: 575
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Petronius
2) Japanese bondage comes with built-in "wiggle room" for the person tied.


Not some of the Japanese ties I've done/felt/seen...

(in reply to Petronius)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/20/2008 6:11:35 PM   
ImpGrrl


Posts: 575
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Hemp rope is Rough


Not if it's treated properly, it isn't.  In fact, it gets softer with use.

quote:

 and with the invention of Nylon most everyone stopped using it


Not *nearly* accurate.  Talk to a community of rope artists - you'll find that most of the Japanese-inspired riggers use hemp, jute, or MFP (which is poly, but not nylon).

quote:

 I have seen presentations where Shibari Masters use Nylon


Nylon has qualities that many riggers specifically *avoid*. 

quote:

As far as Shibari having built in wiggle room, most Shibari is done without knots and uses mostly hitches and couonter ties meaning that as you wiggle it gets tighter it is a fear when using shibari in suspension bondage because it could tighten up and cause suffication.


The part about "without knots" is true.  It's also true that there are very specific applications of Japanese-inspired rope (namely Hojo Jitsu) which tighten upon struggle, *on purpose*.  But, unless it's those types of ties, tightening bondage, especially in Japanese-inspired ("Shibari") bondage, means you're doing it wrong.

quote:

Japanesse rope bondage (Shibari for those not keeping up)


"Shibari" is actually a term of Western origin, seldom heard in Japan's rope communities.  "Kinbaku" or "Kinbaku-bi" is a Japanese term for the erotic bondage that we have co-opted as "Shibari".


(in reply to SteelofUtah)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/20/2008 6:17:55 PM   
AMaster


Posts: 814
Joined: 8/4/2005
Status: offline 		I love intricate rope bondage.  The only time I leave "wiggle room" is when I am dealing with someone new to BDSM.  I have used cotton rope, but it is too absorbent, and it stretches.  I have used hemp- good stuff.  Mostly I use nylon now.  I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.   I have *Yards*  of rope.

(in reply to ImpGrrl)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 9:54:45 AM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KaylinSilverfurr
Nylon is quite possibly the worst rope to use for body bondage because of it's low burn speed and stretch. It's good for using as suspension ropes that are not in direct contact with the body. Hemp or hemp-jute blends are the best for Shibari, aside from cotton rope, and when processed carefully and correctly, can be just, if not more soft than rope made with silk fiber.


Cotton isn't  really suitable for shibari. It stretches way to much, and the breaking strength isn't nearly enough for anything advanced.

(in reply to KaylinSilverfurr)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 10:13:24 AM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: AMaster

I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.


You're absolutely right that it doesn't really matter what kind of rope the Japanese use. What matters is that many of us try to tie in the Japanese style. Shibari as practiced in Japan, is as much performance art as it is SM. The ties are often dangerous, the techniques are often derived from show performances. Such ties need to be tied fast, so they use a limited number of wraps, ropes and knots, even for dangerous suspensions. These techniques therefore rely on ropes that are strong, non-stretchy, and have a lot of friction. That means that cotton (too weak) and most sythetics (not enough friction) are not suitable for tying with these techniques.

Of course, you don't need to tie in the Japanese style. If you rely less on friction and use a lot of knots, synthetic ropes are just fine. If you don't do (partial) suspensions, strength is less important, so you might use cotton. Personally, I love the Japanese style for its simplicity and economy, the quickness, the fact that most ties really work, and the beauty of the ropes. But that's a personal taste.

(in reply to AMaster)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 10:26:00 AM   
HardnRuff


Posts: 213
Joined: 3/17/2007
Status: offline 		 
Hemp rope is a traditional rope used in bondage.  It is stiff and ruff when new.  It is scratchy with an uncomfortable feel and is also harder to untie.  It will become softer after being washed several times. This rope also tightens when wet and is not good for suspension because it will rot.
Nylon is a good rope to use for bondage.  It is strong, waterproof, unties easily and is generally comfortable. The ends unravel very easy if not heat sealed with a flame.  Braided nylon is smoother and causes less irritation to the skin than the twisted strand rope.
Cotton rope, although soft, is not considered a good rope for bondage. The center core in most cotton ropes is not solid or strong and it is subject to retain moisture which means retaining germs.  Knots are hard to untie in cotton rope and it does not wear well.
Parachute rope is cheap, strong and offered in many colors.  I have never used it and have no personal opinion about it's use.  However, I have been told that it is not suitable.
Climbing rope is expensive and too thick for practical uses accept for the support of a suspension device.
 

_____________________________

" Weapon Of Ass Destruction" † Bitch tested slut approved †

(in reply to Guilty1974)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 10:26:52 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Well, Japanese Bondage with rope covers alot of ground.

Hojojutsu: restraint of prisoners or enemies via rope.
ja....that art wouldn't give the glimmer of a fuck if you strangled yourself in the ties.

Shibari: is the packaging of people in rope for erotic and aesthetic ends.

So.......perhaps a bridge to far, perhaps not.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Guilty1974)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 10:35:01 AM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: HardnRuff
Climbing rope is expensive and too thick for practical uses accept for the support of a suspension device.
 
6mm static climbing rope isn't any thicker than 6mm hemp. I've used it extensively before I started with hemp and jute, so I definately disagree with you.

(in reply to HardnRuff)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: japanese rope bondage - 1/21/2008 10:39:25 AM   
HardnRuff


Posts: 213
Joined: 3/17/2007
Status: offline 		In hojojutsu the color of the ropes have a meaning as I recall .  The prisoner was restrained facing the direction appropriate to the color and season.. You  had  Blue , red , white and black .
  1. Blue: spring-east 
  2. Red: summer-south 
  3. White: autumn-west
  4. Black: winter-north 

During the dog days of late July and early August, a yellow rope was used. Hemp was the main rope used but they practiced on Dummies with silk . One of the rules for hojo was never to let anyone see how it was done , therefore preventing the prisoners  from learning the techniques of it and how to escape it ... I have always loved this art .. I love ritualistic things . Great article, Thanks for posting this

_____________________________

" Weapon Of Ass Destruction" † Bitch tested slut approved †

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 10:46:58 AM   
Esinem


Posts: 156
Joined: 5/9/2006
Status: offline 		Use what you like but the Japanese seem to have got it right. 6mm 3-ply jute works for me. Sometimes thinner is prettier for floor work but only for more experienced riggers.

(in reply to HardnRuff)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 11:04:53 AM   
Lynnxz


Posts: 4813
Joined: 10/3/2006
From: Atlanta
Status: offline 		I had never used hemp rope before, because I thought it was itchy as crap... someone bought me some rope from home depot... yuck. So I was using some Nylon stuff specifically made for bondage. The only problem I had with it, was how easily it "burns" if it is pulled through incorrectly (I work with a lot of beginners ^_^  ) And how any knots tend to slip and either undo, or tighten too much.

Then, I went to a little shibari/bondage class, where the instructor showed us HIS hemp rope. I like it a lot better, it's soft, because it's boiled and oil treated once per year. There's little to no rope burn, and the hemp bites into itself, making the knots stick. Pretty cool class. He also does not encourage "By the books" stuff, where you must do everything exactly as everyone else, but he encouraged creativity while tying. My vanilla friend that I dragged along (didn't want to go by myself!) actually did an amazing breast harness on me for his first tie.. ever... now he's addicted, and has ordered 200 feet of hemp rope, some rings, and a singletail... haha >.>

As a side note... someone approched me with some paracute type rope to tie me... hell no.. It's all tiny and thin... screw that, that stuff looks like it would cut off circulation and dig into skin very easily.

(in reply to Esinem)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 11:19:45 AM   
Kinbakudayo


Posts: 68
Joined: 2/21/2008
Status: offline 		In all do honesty I stay away from the US\Europe makers of rope even for SM purposes.   There are a few places that do sell japanese rope that work a lot better.  Just better spun and holds better for me.

(in reply to Lynnxz)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 11:21:20 AM   
angelbluewingsz


Posts: 324
Joined: 10/10/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DaggerDom

I just like to think back to the good old days when we did not need to speak Japanese in order to be able to tie someone up.


Pig Latin anyone?

(in reply to DaggerDom)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 3:23:12 PM   
Guilty1974


Posts: 467
Joined: 11/2/2005
From: Den Haag
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DaggerDom

I just like to think back to the good old days when we did not need to speak Japanese in order to be able to tie someone up.


You don't.

(in reply to DaggerDom)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 4:01:18 PM   
dryon29


Posts: 6
Joined: 3/22/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: AMaster

I don't care what kind of rope the Japanese use, it the the beauty of the finished product that interests me.   I have *Yards*  of rope.



Personally i am of this opinion. Does it really matter if you only use one type of rope over another? All rope has its own individual pro's and cons just like everything else in this life you have to find what works best for you, your partner, and the particular situation not to mention your own level of skill. If i truely feel the need to use every different kind of rope i can get my hands on for a session i will. Now the only pro i have heard for cotton is its softness and one of the cons i have heard is its absorbincy i would like to point out that this can allso be a pro in its favor. For example im sure everyone knows the knots placed to stimulate the clit but has noone else thought of useing a monkey's fist of cotton soaked in a "proper" lube and inserted to be used along with this method? Granted it wont have as long of a use life as other ropes used in other ways but really people would it hurt you to buy new rope now and then compaired to how fun the use of such "short lived" rope can be for both partys?

(in reply to AMaster)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 4:55:59 PM   
SNoB


Posts: 145
Joined: 2/26/2008
Status: offline 		Why are we digging up 2 month old topics?

(in reply to dryon29)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 5:06:58 PM   
dryon29


Posts: 6
Joined: 3/22/2008
Status: offline 		think anyone can post anything they wish anytime they wish snob should i see what the oldest thread i can find is and bring it back to life? would that make you feel a lil better about this one?

(in reply to SNoB)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: japanese rope bondage - 3/31/2008 5:13:59 PM   
SNoB


Posts: 145
Joined: 2/26/2008
Status: offline 		Please do

quote:

ORIGINAL: dryon29

think anyone can post anything they wish anytime they wish snob should i see what the oldest thread i can find is and bring it back to life? would that make you feel a lil better about this one?

(in reply to dryon29)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: japanese rope bondage Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.188