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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Cheap Labor Conservatives (10/15/2007 7:37:37 AM)
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro "Defeat The Right In Three Minutes" http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/?q=node/6 At bottom, conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of "haves" and "have nots" that I call "corporate feudalism"... Excerpt from "Right-Wing Ideology in a Nutshell" Cheap-labor conservatives don't like social spending or our "safety net". Why. Because when you're unemployed and desperate, corporations can pay you whatever they feel like – which is inevitably next to nothing. You see, they want you "over a barrel" and in a position to "work cheap or starve". Not republican, used to be, but I am a conservative and a Business Consultant, so let me take a crack at this. The moral in a company that believed the above would be horrible. Any good businessman that relies on labor will know that the best area to get productivity is moral. Moral must be balanced with the cost, because in the end, you have to stay competitive. quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives don't like the minimum wage, or other improvements in wages and working conditions. Why. These reforms undo all of their efforts to keep you "over a barrel". It is not so much the minimum wage, but the effects the minimum wage has on labor contracts. Labor unions can be good or bad. They should push for the best benefits and wages for their members, as well as set a high standard of excellence those members should follow. It is that last part where I have a problem. When I was 18, I loaded trucks for AAFES, which is union run. I joined the union, paid my dues and worked. I wanted to move ahead so I worked my ass off. The other guys were irritated because my productivity ratings were "too high" in their opinion. I was told that if I kept working like that, they would expect everyone to work like that. I was pretty stunned. Many labor contracts with unions are based upon minimum wage, so if the government ups the minimum wage, it suddenly gives alot of workers a raise that may not have earned it through merit. So that $20 an hour worker, is now making $22.00, and their productivity rate is likely still running about 75% (based off of manufacturing averages). So things have to be balanced. Personally I believe that those labor contracts should not be based upon min wage, but the union lobbyist and union negotiators like it because it has political influence. quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives like "free trade", NAFTA, GATT, etc. Why. Because there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who are "over a barrel", and will work cheap. You are mixing the words "Cheap-labor conservatives" together and it creates a misnomer. Big Corporation like cheap labor no matter where they get it, because they have no single investment in a single nation. US based companies will use the lowest labor they can get, but if they are an old time conservative, they also realize that someone has to make the money to buy the goods, pay taxes, save money (which is then used by that institution to invest), and basically keep the economy good. Most conservatives I speak with are do not like those free trade agreements. Also, wasn't NAFTA and a few others sponsored and pushed by some Dems as well? quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives oppose a woman's right to choose. Why. Unwanted children are an economic burden that put poor women "over a barrel", forcing them to work cheap. This is a huge leap, and seems nothing more than slandering/pandering based upon emotions. Parenthood should be planned as much as possible, and that is a completely separate issue. quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives don't like unions. Why. Because when labor "sticks together", wages go up. That's why workers unionize. Seems workers don't like being "over a barrel". Most unions also push for mediocrity, much of the time. See above about the min wage. There have been many companies in the past, that have paid well and given good benefits, without a Union being involved. I truly believe Unions need to be reformed, or something put in it's place. Look at the Teacher's union as a good example. Also, shouldn't it be a workers choice to be in a Union or not? If so, then why do unions put pressure on workers to be a part of the Union, or they have to pay an "opt out" fee to not be in it? quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives constantly bray about "morality", "virtue", "respect for authority", "hard work" and other "values". Why. So they can blame your being "over a barrel" on your own "immorality", lack of "values" and "poor choices". How it goes is: Virtues are the base, and they create a person's Morality. A person's Morality creates their ethics. A person's ethic's assist in the creation of a code for them to live by. Everyone has morals, well almost everyone, there are those that are true sociopaths that do not feel guilt or love. To respect someone in authority is not a good thing? I believe it is most of the time. If not, try not showing respect to a judge the next time you are in their country, I mean courtroom. There has to be a hierarchy of authority, along with that comes responsibility and each level also needs accountability. Hard word is not a good thing? I believe most people that work hard, so get ahead. There are exceptions but we are not talking mathematics here, where a straight formula always has the same conclusion. You have to factor in human behavior. You will have bad bosses, and bad employees, each of them will have a story similar to a good boss, or good employee that is speaking of an unfair situation. My last Big Corp job, I spent 10 months as a front line help desk person, and then jumped three positions beyond to become a Senior Level Technical Adviser. I am not an exception, and I have seen people do it in the past. The unfortunate part is Big Corps create a box that everyone must fit in, which is called PPG's (policies, procedures and guidelines). These create uniformity so that a measure can be applied to positions and a value assigned. Sometimes those that think outside the box, may be seen the same as those that misbehave outside the box, and they are all lumped into the same category. This has taught many workers to "just do their job" and don't attract attention. quote:
Cheap-labor conservatives encourage racism, misogyny, homophobia and other forms of bigotry. Why? Bigotry among wage earners distracts them, and keeps them from recognizing their common interests as wage earners. I have seen some of these things in small, medium, and large businesses. I have seen these things in volunteer organizations. I have seen these things on the streets. My powers of telepathy never worked so I could tell what the intent of those people were. In general, the wording in these statements, and that web site is just a push for the Dems. Using the word conservative, repeatedly, along with warnings of dire consequences, is a marketing and psychological ploy. Both parties do it, I have seen similar articles about the Dems from some Republican sites. We have to reject these types of ploys, they are just a cover for something alot worse, and that is THE BUSINESS AS USUAL POLITICS THAT BOTH THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ENGAGE IN. Orion
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