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Level -> Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 6:01:51 PM)
ANKARA, Turkey - With Turkish-U.S. relations strained, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday that Turkey would not be deterred by the diplomatic consequences if it decides to stage a cross-border offensive into Iraq against Kurdish rebels. “If such an option is chosen, whatever its price, it will be paid,” Erdogan told reporters in response to a question about the international repercussions of such a decision, which would strain ties with the United States and Iraq. “There could be pros and cons of such a decision, but what is important is our country’s interests.” Erdogan also had harsh words for the United States, which opposes a Turkish incursion into northern Iraq — one of the country’s few relatively stable areas. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21271276

cyberdude611 -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 6:07:40 PM)
So in other words, Turkey wants the world to ignore their war crimes?

Level -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 6:10:24 PM)
Yes. Or, they don't believe what happened were "war crimes".

NorthernGent -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 7:40:22 PM)
We gave a programme here where an English chef visits different parts of the world; he went to Turkey a few weeks back. He started on the European/Meditteranean side and went right through the Asian side: what an amazing place it looked. I've been to Turkey, the European side, and the food is out of this world: mind you, I find the food in the sub-continent and the Middle East in general to be out of this world. Ever eaten at a Lebanese restaurant? Fuck me, can that lot eat....the freshest food I've ever tasted and I reckon I've been to upwards of 25 countries. They do buffets with all sorts of meats, fish etc and it's all maranated in a really tasty dressing...and it's so cheap...it really puts Western Europe to shame....they seem to take pleasure in the eating experience, we (well some of us) seem to take pleasure in being seen at the fashionable restaurants. Anyway, back to Turkey, Rick Stein (English Chef) was travelling through Turkey and it showed the varieties of food they eat for breakfast, lunch, evening meal etc...I was drooling for an hour watching all this food being prepared - simple but I could almost taste it through the television screen, and the bazaars looked superb; a completely different way of life and culture..it would be very interesting to spend some time on the Asian side of Turkey.

farglebargle -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 9:47:58 PM)
Cool. So now in addition to the ethnic and sectarian cleansing going on, the Kurdish/Turkish war is going to go Prime-time! Bush is a fucking idiot.

mnottertail -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 9:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 So in other words, Turkey wants the world to ignore their war crimes? We are demanding the world ignore ours, and that is a horseshit card to play because now everybody wants to play the same card as well. Ron

subheart07 -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 9:56:07 PM)
Bush and Chaney should go to the haige for war crimes and Nancy Pelosi should be Pres.

mnottertail -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/12/2007 9:58:31 PM)
Saddam was a pretty grand fellow compared to the pickle we have sliced into out there. Ron It ain't like nobody saw this sort of thing not happening way back in the beginning, we need to pull out of the area thru the Kurdish region.....(except for the fucking idiots in the administration......) If Turkey then wants to start a NATO beef by crawling into our tents there---------- otherwise-------they play a NATO hand and that is gonna be a really fucked deal. This is gonna end badly...........it is ending badly.

pahunkboy -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 4:39:08 AM)
congress has nothing better to do? scolding some country at this time for stuff we are doing? i dont understand. the troops can come home NOW. we can throw a ticker tape parade and claim we advanced freedom. people would come and cheer. congresses sorry azz better get on fricken food safety and NOW

cyberdude611 -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 5:05:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Cool. So now in addition to the ethnic and sectarian cleansing going on, the Kurdish/Turkish war is going to go Prime-time! Bush is a fucking idiot. Congress is doing this. This has nothing to do with Bush. Congress has the power to pass non-binding resolutions whenever they want with or without presidential approval. And Pelosi says she is going to go forward with this no matter what. This resolution has been a big deal for Democrats for decades. And they are committed to passing it now no matter what. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 So in other words, Turkey wants the world to ignore their war crimes? We are demanding the world ignore ours, and that is a horseshit card to play because now everybody wants to play the same card as well. Ron I must have missed where we committed genocide and killed 2 million people. Gitmo and Abu Ghraib doesn't come even close to the genocide that went on when Turkey killed nearly 2 million Armenians. People like you just make me so mad because it's like you've never read a history book. Instead you do whatever you can to find a way to turn the table and bash America. No one else in this world can be blamed for anything unless we also blame America too, right? How about Hitler? I wonder what we can find to blame America for that... I'm sure you will find something.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 5:10:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy congress has nothing better to do? scolding some country at this time for stuff we are doing? We are ethnically cleansing an entire population? Where have we killed 2 million people? And don't anyone dare throw that 600,000 Iraqi deaths figure out there. 95% of those deaths were due to insurgents and terrorists...not the United States. We are not targeting the civilians population. Genocide is when you target a specific group of civilians. Again find one place in the world right now where the United States is intentionally targetting the civilian population and committing genocide.... FIND ME ONE LOCATION!

mnottertail -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 5:17:59 AM)
Make you mad? Haven't read history? Little bit pregnant? You invade Poland under false pretext is that war crime enough or do you gotta fry up a few million jews? Read history, WE the americans denied the defense of TU QUOQUE. Ron added: insurgents, insurgents? What exactly is an insurgent? add the native americans to the US death roles. Now what is our number? Don't you DARE class insurgents in with terrorists.........and don't you dare count more than 5 or 6 dead Iraqis as terrorists. DARE........man, you need to take a perspective pill.

NorthernGent -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 5:48:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy congress has nothing better to do? scolding some country at this time for stuff we are doing? We are ethnically cleansing an entire population? Where have we killed 2 million people? And don't anyone dare throw that 600,000 Iraqi deaths figure out there. 95% of those deaths were due to insurgents and terrorists...not the United States. We are not targeting the civilians population. Genocide is when you target a specific group of civilians. Again find one place in the world right now where the United States is intentionally targetting the civilian population and committing genocide.... FIND ME ONE LOCATION! Excellent.....out of interest, who arrived at the conclusion that 95% of the deaths are nothing do with the US government? Well, I don't have the figures, but I think it's fair to say that while the US government does not target civilians, neither will they lose sleep over civilians who get in the way of "democracy". 'Seems like you can't see the woods for the trees; take a look at US foreign policy over the last 60 years, and you'll see a constant theme. Of course the US won't engage in genocide; in the West, governments can't get away with such an act, but they can systematically destroy the infrastructure of a nation and label it "spreading democracy". It's a case of what's deemed to be acceptable by those running the show.

pahunkboy -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 5:56:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Bush is a fucking idiot. wut he said^

farglebargle -> RE: Turkey ready to pay price of offensive (10/13/2007 6:51:53 AM)
quote: Gitmo and Abu Ghraib doesn't come even close to the genocide that went on when Turkey killed nearly 2 million Armenians. I dunno. If you ask an Armenian who is being tortured to death, and an Iraqi who is being tortured to death, I expect that to the VICTIM, there is little to no difference. The only difference b/t the US and Turkey, or the Nazis for that matter, is the Body Count, and some details of the torture and murder. But to the victim of Torture and Murder? Again, I expect to them, there is little or no difference. That's the problem with becoming "Bad Guys". You become BAD. And therefore are no longer "Good".

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