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DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is that? - 10/10/2007 4:39:23 PM   
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http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13174.html#more-13174

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"And how did the Georgia law get approval from the Justice Department? John Tanner, the chief of the Civil Rights Divisions voting rights section, overruled his own staff attorneys and gave the measure the green light. As Paul Kiel reports, Tanner argued over the weekend that the reality-based community has it all wrong — voter-ID requirements actually affect white people the most.


Tanner explained that “primarily elderly persons” are the ones affected by such laws, but “minorities don’t become elderly the way white people do: They die first.” So anything that “disproportionately impacts the elderly, has the opposite impact on minorities,” he added. “Just the math is such as that.” Video of Tanner’s remarks were posted yesterday by The Brad Blog. We’ve supplied a transcript below.
According to former Department employees, Tanner’s comments were not only wrong, but way off, and typical of the type of decision making in the section. “In trying to defend his decision in the Georgia case, he’s saying things that are frankly ludicrous,” Joe Rich, a forty-year veteran of the Department and Tanner’s predecessor in the voting rights section, told me."


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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 5:34:44 PM   
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So you're whining about Ga making voters actually prove they're citizens...Typical

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 5:54:13 PM   
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So you're whining about Ga making voters actually prove they're citizens...Typical


No need to play dumb,unless it`s sincere.

We all know this is a technique  to suppress poor voters,who vote democratic in overwhelming numbers.That`s why the our corrupt DOJ approved it.


I think the whining cry babies here, are those republicans(and KKK mambers),who got caught cheating(again),trying to suppress voters with a poll tax.Which is what this is,literally.

The poll-tax has been illegal for decades.If you want to sign on to illegal tactics and dirty tricks like that,be my guest.You`ll get a job at the DOJ,no problem.

The point of posting the story,was to show how republicans cheat,lie and steal.

And ,how occasionally ,they get caught.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 6:20:09 PM   
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  Just heard this.

The state was selling the voter IDs(a poll tax) at motor vehicle offices,but took out all the offices in Atlanta.LOL Atlanta fuck`n Georgia! LOL

You gotta be kid`n me,?! Is this so blatant and obvious,or what?

Jesus,you`d think we went back 50 years in time,with these republicans.I`m thinking that this is what they have in mind ,with this shit.To take us back to the "bad ol` days".

Just read a thread about compromise and finding middle ground with folks.

How the fuck are you going to find middle ground, with these nuts?

That`s a serious question.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 6:39:15 PM   
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Wow!  Unbelievable!!!

Thanks for the post!

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 7:20:13 PM   
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How do you prevent voter fraud? There is not a huge population of poor African-Americans in Atlanta, that do not have a drivers license. I can see this possibly causing problems for the elderly, but there are provisions, and organizations that assist the elderly in voting. As it stands right now, you can just fill out an application to vote, mail it in, get a voter id, apply to vote absentee, and no verification of who you are.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 7:27:07 PM   
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How do you prevent voter fraud?


Board of Elections does their fucking jobs ( verifies the eligibility of each voter on the rolls. )


NYS Election Law - 2007

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5-210 THE ELECTION LAW

8. Upon its receipt by the county board of elections, each application form shall be reviewed and examined by such board.

If the application shall contain substantially all the required information indicating that the applicant is legally qualified to register and/or enroll as stated in his or her application, the county board of elections shall transfer all information on such application to the appropriate registration records.

If requested by any member of the board, the application form of any voter, or group of voters, must be reviewed and examined by two such board members or two employees of the board representing different political parties.

Such members or employees shall place their initials or other identifying information on the registration poll record of such voter or on a computer generated list of such registrations.

Such lists shall be preserved in the same manner, and for the same time, as such registration poll records. If the application indicates that the voter does not have a driver’s license or department of motor vehicles nondriver photo ID number or a social security number, the state board of elections shall, upon the transmission of voter information to the statewide voter registration list as required by section 5-614 of this article, assign such voter a unique identifier.

9. The county board of elections shall, promptly and in any event, not later than twenty-one days after receipt by it of the application, verify the identity of the applicant.

In order to do so, the county board of elections shall utilize the information provided in the application and shall attempt to verify such information with the information provided by the department of motor vehicles, social security administration and any other lawful available information source.

If the county board of elections is unable to verify the identity of the applicant within twenty-one days of the receipt of the
application, it shall immediately take steps to confirm that the information provided by the applicant was accurately utilized by such county board of elections, was accurately verified with other information sources and that no data entry error, or other similar type of error, occurred.

Following completion of the preceding steps, the county board of elections shall mail (a) a notice of its approval, (b) a notice of its approval which includes an indication that such board has not yet been able to verify the identity of the applicant and a request for more information so that such verification may be completed, or (c) a notice of its rejection of the application to the applicant in a form approved by the state board of elections.


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§ 5-702. Voters’ check cards; investigation.

1. The board of elections shall cause a bipartisan team of regular or special employees of such board to conduct an investigation of the qualifications to register and vote, or cause a voter’s check card to be prepared for each voter who was registered after being challenged or who was challenged after registration and, if requested by any member of the board, for any other voter.

The board shall forthwith deliver each such voter’s check card to the head of the police department in the city, town or village in which the voter resides, or, if there be no such police department, to the sheriff or head of the police department of the county.

The board shall make and retain an inventory list of all cards so delivered.

2. The head of the police department or sheriff, forthwith shall cause an investigation to be made to determine, in each instance, whether the registrant resides, and how long he has resided, at the address at which he claims a residence, and to check the facts relating to why the voter was challenged.

Such investigation shall be completed within five days after receipt of such check cards.

Each check card shall be signed with the title or rank, badge number, if any, and signature of the police officer, sheriff or deputy making the investigation, who shall note above such signature whether he personally interviewed the registrant and, if not, the full name of at least one other person whom he personally interviewed at the registrant’s claimed...


Next question.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 8:33:00 PM   
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Well many of the elderly are home bound so they allow mail in registration in many states. You can even select that you do not have an ID or SSAN, and the state will assign a unique number to you.

Next answer.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 8:38:28 PM   
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Well many of the elderly are home bound so they allow mail in registration in many states. You can even select that you do not have an ID or SSAN, and the state will assign a unique number to you.

Next answer.

Orion


Did you read the cited sections of NYS Law? They are perfectly consistent with both DMV "Motor Voter" registration, and mail-in, home registration, in addition to Assistive Technologies in fillable PDF format.

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8. Upon its receipt by the county board of elections, each application form shall be reviewed and examined by such board.


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9. The county board of elections shall, promptly and in any event, not later than twenty-one days after receipt by it of the application, verify the identity of the applicant.

In order to do so, the county board of elections shall utilize the information provided in the application and shall attempt to verify such information with the information provided by the department of motor vehicles, social security administration and any other lawful available information source.

If the county board of elections is unable to verify the identity of the applicant within twenty-one days of the receipt of the
application, it shall immediately take steps to confirm that the information provided by the applicant was accurately utilized by such county board of elections, was accurately verified with other information sources and that no data entry error, or other similar type of error, occurred.

Following completion of the preceding steps, the county board of elections shall mail (a) a notice of its approval, (b) a notice of its approval which includes an indication that such board has not yet been able to verify the identity of the applicant and a request for more information so that such verification may be completed, or (c) a notice of its rejection of the application to the applicant in a form approved by the state board of elections.


Adequately cover either situation you cited.

Further, Section 5-702 specifies SENDING THE FUCKING SHERIFF TO YOUR HOUSE TO INVESTIGATE YOUR CLAIM if the BoE doesn't like your reply to their inquiry. ( BTW, lying on an Election Registration is a Class E Felony in NYS, IIRC... )

So, if everyone does their job, I don't see a whole lot to worry about.



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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 9:00:09 PM   
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Yeah kind of like our borders being protected. There is what is on paper and then there is reality.

So how does every state actually do it?

So does anyone have a realistic answer?

Orion

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 9:01:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So you're whining about Ga making voters actually prove they're citizens...Typical


No need to play dumb,unless it`s sincere.

We all know this is a technique  to suppress poor voters,who vote democratic in overwhelming numbers.That`s why the our corrupt DOJ approved it.


I think the whining cry babies here, are those republicans(and KKK mambers),who got caught cheating(again),trying to suppress voters with a poll tax.Which is what this is,literally.

The poll-tax has been illegal for decades.If you want to sign on to illegal tactics and dirty tricks like that,be my guest.You`ll get a job at the DOJ,no problem.


The point of posting the story,was to show how republicans cheat,lie and steal.

And ,how occasionally ,they get caught.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702171.html


A provision in the new law allows poor voters to receive free government ID cards.  So no Poll Tax issue.
Might try checking some facts before parroting.


As for the other argument that no facilities for the cards were made available in Atlanta, LOL lack of local knowledge seems to be the problem. Atlanta has no Drivers License issueing facilities at all hasn't had them for quite some time. Not exactly a targeted thing here, certainly something that needs to be handled in the future. The fact that the last attempt was flawed and struck down kinda left them without alot of time to open shops.
For an ID that they might not even have to issue.


As for it being a big Republican plot to deny voteing rights how about the counter side of this issue the open solicitation of non eligable voters to register to vote and then vote.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09262007/news/regionalnews/bruno_warns_of_illegal_vote_dr.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_199804/ai_n8796012
The Califomia secretary of state confirmed that, at minimum, 436 ballots cast by voters registered through a liberal civil rights group called Hermandad Mexicana Nacional were illegal. The House Oversight Committee found, at minimum, 748 illegal ballots cast in the race.

 


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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 9:41:52 PM   
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This administration and its DOJ is doing what all newbie fascists need do to get a good start on control for a party. It starts with DOJ intrepretation of new law enacted by a willing state legislature where none was needed. Let us recall the unprecedented off-calender re-districting in Texas led by Tom Delay and friends.

There has never been truly wide-spread voter fraud in this country and there needn't be for either side to gain an advantage when those in the majority of a state government by their operatives...move and close polling stations without any or a very circumsized publication. Without notice at all in certain neighborhoods...guess which ones ?

When this becomes a little too obvious as in Florida in 2000 and some believe in Ohio...2004 in those presidential elections...the only resort is suggest there is voter fraud and without any real or significant evidence of same...enact laws that will foreclose as many unresourceful voters out of the system as possible with many more failing to properly go through all of the new steps to in effect...re- register. Demos out number Repub. 4-1 by registration nationwide...6-1 among black and hispanics.

Why do I use the word re-register ? Because when I lost my wallet and with all of my pertinant identification...I had to obtain a new SS card (easier than a driv. lic.) and a copy of my birth cert. to get my driver's license. So I had to re-prove that I had in fact been in the DMV system for decades. The same could soon be said of Geo. voters many of which will have to jump through many more hoops to re-prove their eligibilty...and eligibility that they have held for decades. 

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/10/2007 10:46:41 PM   
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Owner, "50 years ago?"
Fifty years ago in the South all the politicians were Democrats!
George Wallace, The King fish, Robert "sheets" Bird.
As for protecting the sanctity of our votes they should know who every single person who votes is.
This lamebrain "excuse" of some people not having i.d.s is B.S.


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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 8:36:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Yeah kind of like our borders being protected. There is what is on paper and then there is reality.

So how does every state actually do it?

So does anyone have a realistic answer?

Orion


Well, the solution there isn't to make up new legislation, it is simply to enforce the laws we already have.

If the Board of Elections is doing their job, then every registration is verified.

If the Board of Elections is NOT doing their job, the solution isn't more laws, it's proper oversight of the Board of Elections.



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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 8:47:09 AM   
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we have a sorta poll tax here. it is called the occupational tax. not to be confused with the priviledge to work tax. anyhow if you live at a postal box- they dont find you, if you move some are taxed by both towns. it is based on an old German mode. They go by title- not by income earned.

it is a racket. Williamsport at least exempts folks under 12k 

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 8:57:12 AM   
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The idea that we should just allow any person off the street to walk into a polling location, have no form of identification, and be given a ballot has got to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard of in my life.

We have 38 million illegal aliens in the United States.. I am sure Democrats would be more than happy to give them a ballot. Dems need those illegal votes to win elections.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 9:13:37 AM   
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38 million?  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   maybe they are tourists

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 9:17:44 AM   
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http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=4857

If you want to believe the government's number of 12 million.... go ahead. But remember that the government always underestimates.

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 9:25:23 AM   
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Thank you for the source.

^rolls eyes at "crazy rednecks" post. Not sure what that means exactly...

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RE: DOJ involved in voter suppression.How surprising is... - 10/11/2007 9:52:25 AM   
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Atlanta has no Drivers License issueing facilities at all hasn't had them for quite some time.


How dare you besmirch a perfectly good conspiracy theory with such reality-based spoilers? 

I had already decided that I must know someone, who had a cousin who worked with someone from Atlanta, who actually saw the DMVs being blown up by teams of FEMA ninjas just before election time.... and now you've gone and ruined it. 

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