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Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/7/2007 3:56:35 PM   
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Drug-related crime is the main cause of jail sentences in Iran, and most prisoners continue receiving drugs through smuggled supplies once inside, the country's top prisons official said on Sunday.

Prisons organisation chief Ali Akbar Yasaghi told state news agency IRNA that nearly half -- 47 percent -- of all male prisoners in the country were being held for drug-related crimes, giving rise to a growing drug problem within the prison system.

Drugs crimes overshadow other crimes such as robbery (19 percent), "crimes against people and children", and property-related crimes, which account for six percent of inmates.

"Based on the existing statistics, about 50 percent of the prisoners have a history of addiction," the official said.

Citing the latest available figures from August, Yasaghi put the total number of prisoners in the country at 158,351, considerably higher than the world average per head of population.

"In Iran, there are 225 prisoners in jail per 100,000 people, which unfortunately is a high number compared to the world's average rate at 144 prisoners per 100,000 people," Yasaghi said.

Yasaghi explained that almost all of the drugs smuggled into jails were swallowed and then passed by inmates coming back from furlough.

"As for women, crimes related to moral issues account for 15.14 percent of the cases, second to drugs," which scores 61 percent, he said.

Iran's prison system consists of 130 run-down jails, while 41 new prisons are currently under construction as the Tehran government attempts to tackle overcrowding.

"Using substitute punishments and reduction of the prisons population is one of the main plans of the judiciary system of the Islamic republic," Yasaghi said.

He also invited international judicial officials and institutions to visit the country's prisons.

Iran's judiciary system has been subject to repeated criticism by international bodies over consistent human rights violations.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071007/wl_mideast_afp/iranjusticerights_071007202947



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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/7/2007 4:00:15 PM   
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Drugs as such a shame.  The more I study Chemistry and Psycology, the more I can see how they mess up the mind.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/7/2007 7:17:23 PM   
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Many times the individual is attempting to self medicate themselves, without really knowing it. Education and treatment for emotional issues, and education about drug use, is often the best thing to reduce drug users.

So Iran and the US have something in common.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/7/2007 9:47:59 PM   
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Marijuana is a perfectly harmless natural remedy for a huge list of ailments; and unless administered in heavy, regular doses through the developmental period [birth through early adolescence in human beings] has absolutely no negative long-term effects. It is literally impossible to overdose on tetrahydrocannibanol, which is something that can not be said of alcohol, whose long and short-term phsyical effects are a source of misery to many, mostly due to the legality and availability of the chemical. However, Americans spend more than a billion dollars annually to incarcerate its citizens for cannabis, which no unbiased clinical test has ever proven dangerous to humans.

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According to the most recent figures available from the FBI, police arrested an estimated 786,545 people on marijuana charges in 2005 -- more than twice the number of Americans arrested just 12 years ago. Among those arrested, about 88 percent -- some 696,074 Americans -- were charged with possession only. The remaining 90,471 individuals were charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that includes all cultivation offenses, even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical use.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/47815/

So if our fear is the drug being pushed onto the youth who know no better, why are the users, who are making a personal choice that does not harm society or themselves, the ones suffering the most? Why do we regularly prescribe depacote and all its hideous mood-stablizer and anti-psychotic cousins to children, ruining their brain chemistry for life, and feed them amphetamine salts [methylphenidate, or Ritalin, and dexedrine, Adderall] that turn them into speed junkies, yet every day the lives of innocent men and women are ruined in the name of protecting the youth against something pure as sainthood in comparison? Why not dump the money for law enforcement into crashing meth labs, tracing the production of dirty ecstasy pills, stopping the flow of chemicals that might actually harm us? Turning the people I grew up with off of crack?

Because of that cocksucker Anslinger. Nixon, too, the smarmy cunt. And whoever set up Carter's cabinet man with the coke charge. Marijuana prohibition is just another result of the long-time corruption of our government, its spin, and the easily-lead people whose lives it dictates.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/7/2007 10:36:16 PM   
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why not just legalize all drugs so we can standardize them and make a profit off their sales? don't stop with pot...and yes, i am serious....

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 12:18:51 AM   
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While I'd hesitate to say all - since I doubt that every drug can be turned into something beneficial for society, though so many have the potential - it would reduce the majority of the problems that are caused by the so-called "war on drugs". Heroin actually has no negative side effects outside of tremendous physical addiction: the physical degeneration of its addicts are due to the spending of money that would go to, say, toothpaste, food, and clothes on - guess what - heroin. Not that it's a drug that should be specifically decriminalized, but as usual, the lack of availability and the acceptance of potentially harmful cutting agents is where the danger comes in.

Marijuana will take a long fucking time to get decriminalised in the States because big tobacco would not let it happen. Who would smoke cigarettes when a pack of joints can keep a man happy for as long as his tolerance can run off it? And since our country was pretty much built on cultivating this shamanic Native American plant into ... well, what it is now, one of the leading causes of premature death and illness worldwide... for any solid change to occur, at present, the tobacco industry is too deeply rooted in our government.
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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 5:03:49 AM   
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- many overdose deaths are in fact a choked on vomit thing. the drugs are secondary...to the demise

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 5:31:33 AM   
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- many overdose deaths are in fact a choked on vomit thing. the drugs are secondary...to the demise


Or a choked on the pillow thing. Too far out of it to turn the head so as to breathe.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 7:13:46 AM   
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what is alcohol's benefit to society?? it's legal

please understand that you have engaged a recovering addict (me) in this discussion and i know that, for me, one drug is too many and a thousand is never enough...and alcohol is a drug. period....


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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 7:52:55 AM   
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Food and Gambling can be an addiction.  We presume the modern world is advanced and perfect. When in fact- dangers lie around every turn. In  the course of 40,000 year- famine, disease, and war has deleted HUGE populations. Relative to the ebb and flow of 40,000 years- this is a relativelty safe time to live.

[except for the middle east, portions of Africa, and South America, ]

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 7:54:27 AM   
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Drug-related crime is the main cause of jail sentences in Iran, and most prisoners continue receiving drugs through smuggled supplies once inside, the country's top prisons official said on Sunday.

Prisons organisation chief Ali Akbar Yasaghi told state news agency IRNA that nearly half -- 47 percent -- of all male prisoners in the country were being held for drug-related crimes, giving rise to a growing drug problem within the prison system.
Did they mention what sorts of drugs these people are in prison for?

Drugs crimes overshadow other crimes such as robbery (19 percent), "crimes against people and children", and property-related crimes, which account for six percent of inmates.
As compared to the U.S. where 70% of the people in prison are there on drug related charges.

"Based on the existing statistics, about 50 percent of the prisoners have a history of addiction," the official said.
Addiction....there is that lovely word again...some of us are addicted to pussy,chocolate and ice cream.

Citing the latest available figures from August, Yasaghi put the total number of prisoners in the country at 158,351, considerably higher than the world average per head of population.
Far behind the U.S. who with 5% of the worlds population have 25%of the worlds incarcerated.

"In Iran, there are 225 prisoners in jail per 100,000 people, which unfortunately is a high number compared to the world's average rate at 144 prisoners per 100,000 people," Yasaghi said.
That seems a large number until one looks at the U.S. with a whopping 737 prisoners in jail per 100,000.

Yasaghi explained that almost all of the drugs smuggled into jails were swallowed and then passed by inmates coming back from furlough.

"As for women, crimes related to moral issues account for 15.14 percent of the cases, second to drugs," which scores 61 percent, he said.

Iran's prison system consists of 130 run-down jails, while 41 new prisons are currently under construction as the Tehran government attempts to tackle overcrowding.

"Using substitute punishments and reduction of the prisons population is one of the main plans of the judiciary system of the Islamic republic," Yasaghi said.

He also invited international judicial officials and institutions to visit the country's prisons.

Iran's judiciary system has been subject to repeated criticism by international bodies over consistent human rights violations.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071007/wl_mideast_afp/iranjusticerights_071007202947



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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 8:05:30 AM   
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Thread is already hijacked. I am going to say this once and only once.

The reason pot is illegal is because of the oil companies.

Hemp byproducts can easily replace most oil byproducts, and if you don't think byproducts are important, think of salt. While 80% of a salt company's product might be table salt, it only provides a small fraction of their income.

You think oil you think gasoline, think again. Look at your monitor, see the plastic cabinet ? Oil. Look at the dashboard of your car, your TV, MP3 player, everything. Petroleum is essential for the manufacture of plastic.

Hemp can replace most of that, not that you could smoke your computer mouse anymore than you could drop it in your gas tank and expect the car to run on it.

If people really knew the rate at which big money is squandering the resources of this planet they would be as outraged as I am. Everything is a finished product, and people, especially Americans have no idea where they came from. There is a great site out there called howstuffworks.com, I think they should make one "wherstuffcomesfrom.com".

Actually drugs are the main reason people are in jail in any country, of course there is the element of stupidity on the user. How the hell can you get busted smoking a joint in your own house ? But no, we gotta go do this outside, we are rebels, the strong, the brave, the stooopid.

It took me until I was 47 to get busted for drugs, and it was one joint. I came close about 25 years ago, I was busted for something else, 10 minutes after delivering 100 hits of LSD. Whew.

I really don't know why people can't just keep it cool and not get popped for things. Discretion seems to be in very short supply anymore. You don't go out on the corner yelling "Domes dimes, anybody need a dime ?". You don't have a crack party in the front yard. And when you do get high you do not go driving around.

This reminds me of Chris Rock, "How not to get your ass kicked by the police". It is so simple. Years ago when I was into the shit, we never got busted. I applaud the invention of the front door for that, you go inside. We had acid, pharecuetical PCP (very hard to get) and basically would cop a pound of weed and dump it out on the pool table (if nobody was playing pool at the time).

We had fights, rumbles and orgies. The difference between us and the people in jail was that we used our brain. Regular normal people do not want to see that shit and they do not want to see it happening in front of their kids. If you respect that you have very little chance of getting busted.

And Iranians ? You would think the strict upbringing would keep them from ever doing drugs in the first place, yet not only do they do it, they are stupid enough to get busted for it.

Let me tell you all one thing; there is a hell of alot more illegal activity going on EVERYWHERE than you could ever imagine. You could live next to a meth lab for 20 years and never know it until someone opens their fucking mouth. I know one guy who retired from dealing pot, I mean dealing NATIONALLY, pounds and shit. He retired at age 70. Never got busted, why ? How many guesses do you want ? He had a fucking brain.

Just so you know, my ilk and I do whatever we want. We do not steal nor hurt people, but it is not the law that stops us. We stop us. If you ever get to know us, you will see. Others may see us as criminals, but we help people when we can and generally try to be a positive influence in the world. The fact that we "go upstairs and burn one" does not change that.

There are many innocent people in jail, of that there is no doubt. Even though I am on the outs with the guy, I know someone doing 15 years for selling a half ounce of pot. I don't care that I was pissed off at him, it is still wrong. Anybody in jail for dealing drugs is innocent. They have the product, you give them the money, they give you the product. What is wrong with that ? Would you rather they put a knife to your throat and take your money ? This is not what they do.

Cite drugland killings, but wait, what if someone robs your local Walgreen's ? Let's talk about all the legal drugs, and how the TV would have drug commercials followed by a public service message urging kids to just say no. Fuck it all I say.

Just look at all the drug commercials, whatever is wrong with you this new pill might be the "cure", ask your doctor. The contradiction is appalling, and kids know logic. Do our drugs, don't do their drugs. Of course they figure it out, and that is why we have drug abuse. With statistics mounting, more and more people are dying from legal drugs than pot at least, but I will no go so far as to say more people are than from all illegal drugs. When you start talking ecstacy and shit, I don't know what to tell you.

Pot is a natural substance, many people do not understand it and simply accept the villification placed on it by the powers that be. I am dismayed when the American public does this. To blindly accept what they say is plain wrong.

Like the fight over medicinal marijuana, there should be no fight at all. They do not have the right to tell us what we can put into our own bodies. I cite prohibition as proof.

Yes. Before Admiralty Maritime juridiction they could not pass a law inhibiting Citizens' personal freedom. That is why it was a Constitutuional amendment, and I have great consternation over the fact that it passed at all. It was plain ass wrong.

Also though, there is the other side of the coin, and I try to see all sides. There used to be cocaine in CocaCola. This was wrong. If they sold the coke in packets that would be fine in my eyes, but they put it into the beverage. For what reason ? MONEY. Get people hooked. Shit, people gave this shit to their kids !

Ever hear of paragoric ? Look it up and see what was in it. It is highly illegal now, and maybe it should be, no, actually people should be responsible enough to not use it, or at least not overuse it.

And that is what it boils down to in the end. Responsible adults do not even smoke cigarettes in the presence of children, let alone give them heroin or morphine and shit like that. I mean ritalin too. That is one of the worst fucking things they ever came out with. Perhaps my morality goes against the grain or perhaps it is superior, but to give a child an SSRI is a crime. To give a child any mind altering substance is a crime. They need to work the problems out without a crutch, without just zoning out.

OK, we got ADD or ADHD. Let me clue you in on something. We are all born with ADD or ADHD or whatever name is fashionable this year. It is through learning and maturing that we beat the condition. If we are drugged we will never learn.

But I guess that is OK as long as the suits at Pfizer can make the payments on their Rolls.

Perhaps you see that I cast a jaundoced eye on almost everything "they" do, but the fact remains, drugs are for adults. Children need to learn to work out their problems, and if we drug them with pills or whatever, how the fuck can we tell them not to use drugs ?

That is my opinion on the subject. Take it or leave it.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 8:34:45 AM   
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Terminator, I gots to jump in here man.

Your candor is noted here.

I MUST share what happened....

in the late 80s- the neighbors passed a joint around. i thought, ok- it is just a joint. so i particpated. teh one girl said "dont waste it dont waste it" which i thought was strange. 

the buzz was the blank i ever --- long story short. soon i found out- it was laced. with crack cocaine!

why? to recruit me into their theft ring!   i found out- and thankfully did not get hooked.


scarey as hell.

since then i havent touched it.   my worker tells me fernadlahyde is now being used for a high.  that is what the emblam you with before burial!!!


anyhow- i pass no judgement on folks that use M.


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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 8:58:24 AM   
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Terminator, I gots to jump in here man.

Your candor is noted here.

I MUST share what happened....

in the late 80s- the neighbors passed a joint around. i thought, ok- it is just a joint. so i particpated. teh one girl said "dont waste it dont waste it" which i thought was strange. 

the buzz was the blank i ever --- long story short. soon i found out- it was laced. with crack cocaine!

why? to recruit me into their theft ring!   i found out- and thankfully did not get hooked.


scarey as hell.

since then i havent touched it.   my worker tells me fernadlahyde is now being used for a high.  that is what the emblam you with before burial!!!


anyhow- i pass no judgement on folks that use M.



pahunkboy:
OMG you are sooooooo right on...I saw that very same thing on "reefer madness"
ROFLMAO
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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 11:42:47 AM   
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The reason pot is illegal is because of the oil companies.
i thought it was the cotten industry


Hemp byproducts can easily replace most oil byproducts, and if you don't think byproducts are important, think of salt. While 80% of a salt company's product might be table salt, it only provides a small fraction of their income.
You think oil you think gasoline, think again. Look at your monitor, see the plastic cabinet ? Oil. Look at the dashboard of your car, your TV, MP3 player, everything. Petroleum is essential for the manufacture of plastic. ->compelling
Hemp can replace most of that, not that you could smoke your computer mouse anymore than you could drop it in your gas tank and expect the car to run on it.
-> hemp would save trees.

If people really knew the rate at which big money is squandering the resources of this planet they would be as outraged as I am.
-> direct rage smartly

Everything is a finished product, and people, especially Americans have no idea where they came from. There is a great site out there called howstuffworks.com, I think they should make one "wherstuffcomesfrom.com".
Actually drugs are the main reason people are in jail in any country, of course there is the element of stupidity on the user. How the hell can you get busted smoking a joint in your own house ? But no, we gotta go do this outside, we are rebels, the strong, the brave, the stooopid.
It took me until I was 47 to get busted for drugs, and it was one joint. I came close about 25 years ago, I was busted for something else, 10 minutes after delivering 100 hits of LSD. Whew.
I really don't know why people can't just keep it cool and not get popped for things. Discretion seems to be in very short supply anymore. You don't go out on the corner yelling "Domes dimes, anybody need a dime ?". You don't have a crack party in the front yard. And when you do get high you do not go driving around.
This reminds me of Chris Rock, "How not to get your ass kicked by the police". It is so simple. Years ago when I was into the shit, we never got busted. I applaud the invention of the front door for that, you go inside. We had acid, pharecuetical PCP (very hard to get) and basically would cop a pound of weed and dump it out on the pool table (if nobody was playing pool at the time).
We had fights, rumbles and orgies. The difference between us and the people in jail was that we used our brain. Regular normal people do not want to see that shit and they do not want to see it happening in front of their kids. If you respect that you have very little chance of getting busted.
And Iranians ? You would think the strict upbringing would keep them from ever doing drugs in the first place, yet not only do they do it, they are stupid enough to get busted for it.
Let me tell you all one thing; there is a hell of alot more illegal activity going on EVERYWHERE than you could ever imagine  -->  YUP
Cite drugland killings, but wait, what if someone robs your local Walgreen's ? Let's talk about all the legal drugs, and how the TV would have drug commercials followed by a public service message urging kids to just say no. Fuck it all I say. ->  ouch!  but true
Just look at all the drug commercials, whatever is wrong with you this new pill might be the "cure", ask your doctor. T
->in the 80s it was soda and candy commercials

Pot is a natural substance, many people do not understand it and simply accept the villification placed on it by the powers that be.

->yup

Like the fight over medicinal marijuana, there should be no fight at all. They do not have the right to tell us what we can put into our own bodies. I cite prohibition as proof. -> medical use should be allowed
Yes. Before Admiralty Maritime juridiction they could not pass a law inhibiting Citizens' personal freedom. That is why it was a Constitutuional amendment, and I have great consternation over the fact that it passed at all. It was plain ass wrong.
Also though, there is the other side of the coin, and I try to see all sides.
There used to be cocaine in CocaCola. This was wrong. If they sold the coke in packets that would be fine in my eyes, but they put it into the beverage. For what reason ? MONEY. Get people hooked. Shit, people gave this shit to their kids !
Ever hear of paragoric ? Look it up and see what was in it. It is highly illegal now, and maybe it should be, no, actually people should be responsible enough to not use it, or at least not overuse it.
And that is what it boils down to in the end. Responsible adults do not even smoke cigarettes in the presence of children, let alone give them heroin or morphine and shit like that. I mean ritalin too. That is one of the worst fucking things they ever came out with. Perhaps my morality goes against the grain or perhaps it is superior, but to give a child an SSRI is a crime. To give a child any mind altering substance is a crime. They need to work the problems out without a crutch, without just zoning out.
OK, we got ADD or ADHD. Let me clue you in on something. We are all born with ADD or ADHD or whatever name is fashionable this year. It is through learning and maturing that we beat the condition. If we are drugged we will never learn. -> free speed
But I guess that is OK as long as the suits at Pfizer can make the payments on their Rolls.
Perhaps you see that I cast a jaundoced eye on almost everything "they" do, but the fact remains, drugs are for adults. Children need to learn to work out their problems, and if we drug them with pills or whatever, how the fuck can we tell them not to use drugs ?
That is my opinion on the subject. Take it or leave it. <-- hmmm
T

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 12:15:59 PM   
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Easy solution for that, don't use drugs.

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RE: Drug related crimes main reason for jail in Iran - 10/8/2007 7:48:37 PM   
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Easy solution for that, don't use drugs.

popeye:
You use drugs but you don't want others to use drugs...how so very egalitarian of you.
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