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RE: Ethics Question - 10/7/2007 8:08:28 PM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: Stephann

On a couple occasions, when I was interested and involved with someone from the internet (this was years ago, mind you) I had trouble with this sort of drama.  A girl who I had met real time, and we absolutely despised each other, would regularly try to find out who I might be talking to, and 'warn' them of me; everything from drunk driving convictions, to heroin abuse, to having AIDS. 

I wish I could say it doesn't matter, but online reputations can be pretty easily damaged.  I feel pretty fortunate that this wasn't an issue recently.

For the OP; as others have said, stay out of it.  Any involvement you have will come across as putting you in a bad light, regardless.  How would you feel, if he started writing people you were corresponding with and started 'warning' them?  Why waste a moment of your life worrying about what two consenting adults are doing, so long as her life isn't in jeopardy?

Stephan


 
You got off light. Apparently I'm supposed to be an incompetent cannibal who managed to let his food escape in the middle of a meal.
 


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RE: Ethics Question - 10/7/2007 10:16:57 PM   
LadyLegs


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Status: offline 		Thank you to those of you that addressed the issue I was asking. 

To those of you that questioned my motives or whether my facts were accurate, I think further details would not be appropriate.   If you want to think ill of me, that is certainly your right.

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 1:41:29 AM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: LadyLegs

Thank you to those of you that addressed the issue I was asking. 

To those of you that questioned my motives or whether my facts were accurate, I think further details would not be appropriate.   If you want to think ill of me, that is certainly your right.


It is illuminating that you know so much of what is going on with this man, but cannot reveal -how- you know these things because revealing the details of how you learned these things "would not be appropriate".

Not" appropriate" for whom?

Certainly not out of any consideration for the man whose details you've been spreading freely throughout this thread.

Leaves me wondering how you can claim you'd "prefer to sit back & watch" (Pg.1 Post 6).

How will you manage that without access to his account?

How do you know he "has some poor newbie utterly confused, except for the certainty that he loves her" (OP) without access to his account?

"So what is our responsibility to new people?  Ones we don't know?    Warn them or let them find out for themselves?" (OP)

How will you do this unless you know her username?


Are we to believe that some guy told you

1. "he was looking for a woman to keep him  that he just wanted to have as many women as he could." ?
(and we're to believe a man with this plan would confess it to a failed lover?)
2. "he ... has some poor newbie utterly confused, except for the certainty that he loves her." ?
(and we're to believe the same man with this situation would confess it to a failed lover?)
3. and he trusts you enough that you can either "sit back & watch" or warn "some poor newbie" ?
(and we're to believe the same man would invite a failed lover to sit in on the 'action'?)

And you've posted about it here where he can see it?

And you can't tell us how you know these details from his CM account because "further details would not be appropriate"?

Things that make you go "hmm".

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 2:10:42 AM   
heartcream


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quote:

if I KNOW A CLIENT PREMEDITATES MURDER; COMMITS PEADOPHILIA AND OR COMMITS INCEST.


Personally for me I would include, Bestiality. Some say the animal wants it. I dont believe it and no matter what, it is not as if the animal can tell you. For me anyway Bestiality is in the same category as the above.

I love readings posts for how funny the responses can be.

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 2:50:05 AM   
mons


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i well we my sister and i well her husband abuse her child in the worse way i cried for days but we left a comfortable town house to a old apartment did i mind hell no would i report him again yes in a minute. so he found another woman. we told this woman what he did and oh my god she came to our place wanting to have a fist fight over him,. she thought she had found the king of men, we tried and she never did listen, she hated us for years. well it came to pass she found out the hard way i suspect he abuse her child too. now she has told my sister son wife how sorry she is for making our lives so hard. and she was this tough girl and it was a nightmare. my point is you can tell someone something and we know it was true but they Will not listen no matter what we said.
i do not want her forgiveness nor her sorry i do not want to See her face i do feel for her child and the things that happen that screw a child up even as they grow,. i would be lying if i said i wanted to say one word to her i do not. she made a choice a bad one and she know he did what he had done. sometimes it is just best to not say. on the cheating or other things but when it comes to a child i will scream it out until someone will listen now she has tow very angry children. tell me what would anyone of you do i told her she did not believe . i would and i repeat this do it again i have turn many people in and guess what our family hated us they said ( what about his job he is good worker ) shock lol so no one spoke to us for at lest ten years , my brother was a nut and he was the same way and now he is dead and he never forgave us for turing him in . wow

mons thank for letting me get this thought

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 5:36:55 AM   
LadyLegs


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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLegs

Thank you to those of you that addressed the issue I was asking. 

To those of you that questioned my motives or whether my facts were accurate, I think further details would not be appropriate.   If you want to think ill of me, that is certainly your right.


It is illuminating that you know so much of what is going on with this man, but cannot reveal -how- you know these things because revealing the details of how you learned these things "would not be appropriate".

Not" appropriate" for whom?

Certainly not out of any consideration for the man whose details you've been spreading freely throughout this thread.

Leaves me wondering how you can claim you'd "prefer to sit back & watch" (Pg.1 Post 6).

How will you manage that without access to his account?

How do you know he "has some poor newbie utterly confused, except for the certainty that he loves her" (OP) without access to his account?

"So what is our responsibility to new people?  Ones we don't know?    Warn them or let them find out for themselves?" (OP)

How will you do this unless you know her username?


Are we to believe that some guy told you

1. "he was looking for a woman to keep him  that he just wanted to have as many women as he could." ?
(and we're to believe a man with this plan would confess it to a failed lover?)
2. "he ... has some poor newbie utterly confused, except for the certainty that he loves her." ?
(and we're to believe the same man with this situation would confess it to a failed lover?)
3. and he trusts you enough that you can either "sit back & watch" or warn "some poor newbie" ?
(and we're to believe the same man would invite a failed lover to sit in on the 'action'?)

And you've posted about it here where he can see it?

And you can't tell us how you know these details from his CM account because "further details would not be appropriate"?

Things that make you go "hmm".


bobkgin. 
If it is true that you don't approve of gossip, why do you try to goad me into revealing more?   I will assure you that I am not hacking accounts or anything of that nature.

Yes, I understand it doesnt feel right to you, but that is your problem, not mine.  The question has been asked & answered. Care to move on now?

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 6:41:27 AM   
chellekitty


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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

The things listed earlier by Prinsexx

quote:

if I KNOW A CLIENT PREMEDITATES MURDER; COMMITS PEADOPHILIA AND OR COMMITS INCEST.


Personally for me I would include, Bestiality. Some say the animal wants it. I dont believe it and no matter what, it is not as if the animal can tell you. For me anyway Bestiality is in the same category as the above.

I love readings posts for how funny the responses can be.


i believe she said that she's at work on another thread so i am gonna jump in and reply...those may or may not be her personal ethics, but in the manner she presented them, they are her professional ethics....and professionally, in the field she is in, i don't believe she is obligated to report the "abuse" of animals...


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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 6:43:23 AM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: LadyLegs

bobkgin. 
If it is true that you don't approve of gossip, why do you try to goad me into revealing more?   I will assure you that I am not hacking accounts or anything of that nature.

Yes, I understand it doesnt feel right to you, but that is your problem, not mine.  The question has been asked & answered. Care to move on now?



You do not seem to have a problem with gossip, Legs, nor with spreading gossip around in a public forum.

But how you came by information regarding what two people are doing through their online CM accounts is to be treated as a carefully-guarded state-secret?

While hacking is one answer, I can also think of someone stalking another through the use of dummy accounts.

If that were the case, then the "newbie" described in the OP would be you using a dummy account.

Assuming any of this story is true, of course. College pranks, imaginative trolls, need for attention would explain this thread if the story were not true.

I just find it hard to believe that someone who failed to connect with you almost a year ago would be divulging the the kind of information you claim to have, with a promise of more to come so you can "sit back and watch".

Not a problem for me. I've always been fascinated by why people choose gullibility when faced with 'facts' that don't add up.

Not a problem for those who believed you without questioning how you came by this information of online activities between two other people.

And obviously not a problem for you or your credibility.

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 6:44:35 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		sometimes its hardest to stand alone and do the right thing when everyone else is doing the "wrong thing"...but you're the only one that has to go to sleep in your head at the end of the day....

in case no one has told you today, mons, i am proud of you...

chelle


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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 7:50:58 AM   
heartcream


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quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

The things listed earlier by Prinsexx

quote:

if I KNOW A CLIENT PREMEDITATES MURDER; COMMITS PEADOPHILIA AND OR COMMITS INCEST.


Personally for me I would include, Bestiality. Some say the animal wants it. I dont believe it and no matter what, it is not as if the animal can tell you. For me anyway Bestiality is in the same category as the above.

I love readings posts for how funny the responses can be.


i believe she said that she's at work on another thread so i am gonna jump in and reply...those may or may not be her personal ethics, but in the manner she presented them, they are her professional ethics....and professionally, in the field she is in, i don't believe she is obligated to report the "abuse" of animals...



Yeah, I realize she was talking about her work, she said that, and in my opinion bestiality ought to be included with those things there. In my opinion no one ought to be able to abuse animals. Professionally ethically in the field she is in I feel it ought to be included as heinous as those other things listed. That we live in a world where bestiality is not included angers me and I find it heart-breaking. My feelings.

< Message edited by heartcream -- 10/8/2007 7:54:57 AM >

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 7:55:36 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		thats a big hurdle you're gonna have to jump, my dear, but far be it from me to hold you back from trying...but...for the record...these boards are not the place where it will do any good to do so....

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 8:16:55 AM   
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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 1:29:23 PM   
heartcream


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< Message edited by heartcream -- 10/8/2007 1:35:19 PM >

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 2:32:40 PM   
Owner4SexSlave


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Status: offline 		Do what your Conscious and instincts tell you to do.  In short, do what your own moral code or ethics is screaming at you to do or not to do.

Some people have no social conscious for other people.

Some people pretend to have a social conscious for others, but it's a facade they use for personal gain.

Just make certain you have a clear personal understanding of your conscious, and be aware of the possible consequences of taking action or no action.

You don't have to be a super hero to save one or two souls in your life time.  Then again, you can simple turn a blind eye and do nothing.

Some people leave things up to fate or God or Karma.  Some people take matters into their own hands. 

Personally, I have always warned somebody if I knew the person they were getting mixed up with was bad news.   The trick here is to simply warn them and don't try to force them into making a decision.

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/8/2007 7:14:45 PM   
Synocense


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Status: offline 		I appears we will have to agree to disagree.....well partially. I do agree that it is a ridiculous notion that I might follow every new person around and monitor his/her actions. However, we are talking about a person that the OP knows and we are talking about a particular situation. "You cannot control the world....." -- but you
can certainly alter it's course with your decisions.

Sincerely,
Syn

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RE: Ethics Question - 10/9/2007 5:09:26 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		not follow every new person around and save them....but when you see a potential problem, and you can potentially stop it from happeneing...offer first hand information, and leave it up to that new person to make an informed choice...is that so hard?

chelle

grant me the serenity to accept what i cannot change
the courage to change what i can
and the wisdom to know the differnce



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RE: Ethics Question - 10/9/2007 8:42:45 AM   
ededwards


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Oh good. I'd prefer to sit back & watch, I just felt a little guilty about it


I think if you know who the person is who is being lied to then you  tell them that D is lying.Would you want to know? Golden Rule.

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