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Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then kills ... - 10/4/2007 10:16:08 PM   
Owner59


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A Proclamation by the President of the United States ofAmerica
 
I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Monday, October 1, 2007, as Child Health Day. I call upon families, schools, child health professionals, faith-based and community organizations, and State and local governments to reach out to our Nation's young people, encourage them to avoid dangerous behavior, and help them make the right choices and achieve their dreams.
 
Our Nation is committed to the health and well-being of our youth. On Child Health Day, we reaffirm our commitment to helping children develop good nutrition habits and active lifestyles, so that they can grow into healthy and productive adults.


Just a few days later,he vetos the bi-partisan children's health care bill(in secrete)

How do you spell hypocrisy? b-u-s-h....

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/4/2007 10:28:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do you spell selective information? Have you read the bill and how it would implement, who would get assistance faster than others and things that were tagged onto it?

You are pretty fanatically left. Do you care about resolving things, or standing to the far left and name calling?

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/4/2007 10:46:58 PM   
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How do you spell selective information? Have you read the bill and how it would implement, who would get assistance faster than others and things that were tagged onto it?

You are pretty fanatically left. Do you care about resolving things, or standing to the far left and name calling?

Orion


Yeah,..I know.It`s tough being a republican these days.

Suck it in,and deal....

BTW,it was a "bi-partisan "bill.
In case you didn`t know,that means both parties,together,as in "on the same page".Hardly "far left",IMO.

Perhaps it is where you`re standing,that makes me appear to be on the far left.

A bit of advice.You handle your own self,and I`ll handle my end.Don`t worry or fret over me or my politics.I promise I won`t think about you.Ok?


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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/4/2007 10:54:13 PM   
cyberdude611


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Status: offline 		This bill is a test program for socialized medicine. That's all it is.

Remove the massive multi-billion dollar expansion and then maybe we will talk about it.

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/4/2007 10:59:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going with my Republican state delegation on this one, and say BUSH is WRONG on this one.  Denali Kid Care (our version) is a fantastic program that protects children from the mistakes of their parents.

Override him on this. 

That being said there is nothing hypocritical about proclaiming a day to encourage kids to make healthy lifestyle choices, exercise, don't smoke, ect as he did in the cited proclamation. 

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 7:27:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummmm so $85,000 a year equals poverty?

The kid the Dems paraded around last week to tear jerk the American public... Lives in a $350,000 home, is driven around in a $30,000 SUV (wasting green house gases btw) and attends a $21,000 toney school.

This bill would cover to age 25! It would also cover salaries to $85,000 or more depending on the # of kids you have.

It should have been vetoed in that form and if the Democrats want that version passed, then let them override. If not... Bush proposed an increase in the program of over $5 billion dollars, an increase not a cut so they could always revisit that right? I suppose one can spell hypocrisy d e m o c r a t too.

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 7:50:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is patently absurd.

Providing children with top notch health insurance so they can, hopefully, receive top notch health care in their formative years regardless of their parents situation is exactly what government should spend tax money on. M<ake KBR get by on only $40 per rotten meal they serve in Iraq if GWB is really worried about how much it will cost.

BTW on the bleating about the income limit being 85k/year. Take a family with 2 kids and no health insurance provided by employer, I make about that and have no health insurance, and get a quote for health insurance. I just ran a quote on a family of 4 and got a minimum premium of $690/month with a $500 deductible. That's $8280 + $500 out of pocket so health insurance would be more than 10% of the before tax income for a family with $85k annual income. That's going to be mighty hard to work into any budget.

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 10:05:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) I am not a republican, though my views lean conservative and not socialistic. Claiming I am republican, just because I disagree with your views, is very similar to what you claimed a talk show host did to a caller and then called it hypocricy. I suppose you were correct.

2) I will not worry about your politican views when you keep them private. Once you make them public, I will now comment on them.

3) Yeah I know the bill was bi-partisan, but that does not meant that everyone of each party agreed with it. I suppose those that did not agree with it, should shut up?

Now some more facts. Bi-partison means 3 of the 12 sponsors were republican. The republican party has admitted that by not passing this bill, it may cost them elections in 2008, because the general public may not understand the particulars. marketing research has shown that using the words "child" and "children" spark an automatic response in most people to sympathize whatever those words are associated with.

Don't worry, when I see Non-Cons do similar things, I tend to call them on it as well, so consider me an equal opportunity asshole. If you ever listen to the Boortz show, I am one of those callers that has called him on things, agreed with him on others, and even been hung up on because what I said provoked him so much. I am not a 'Yes Man" for any political party.

Now then for any that wish to research this bill can do so at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2073

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

How do you spell selective information? Have you read the bill and how it would implement, who would get assistance faster than others and things that were tagged onto it?

You are pretty fanatically left. Do you care about resolving things, or standing to the far left and name calling?

Orion


Yeah,..I know.It`s tough being a republican these days.

Suck it in,and deal....

BTW,it was a "bi-partisan "bill.
In case you didn`t know,that means both parties,together,as in "on the same page".Hardly "far left",IMO.

Perhaps it is where you`re standing,that makes me appear to be on the far left.

A bit of advice.You handle your own self,and I`ll handle my end.Don`t worry or fret over me or my politics.I promise I won`t think about you.Ok?



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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 10:07:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		A quote from another news article:

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The president had promised to veto it, saying the Democratic bill was too costly, took the program too far from its original intent of helping the poor, and would entice people now covered in the private sector to switch to government coverage. He wants only a $5 billion increase in funding. Bush argued that the congressional plan would be a move toward socialized medicine by expanding the program to higher-income families. "

Is NPR a neo-con site?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14938419

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 2:23:17 PM   
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This is patently absurd.

Providing children with top notch health insurance so they can, hopefully, receive top notch health care in their formative years regardless of their parents situation is exactly what government should spend tax money on. M<ake KBR get by on only $40 per rotten meal they serve in Iraq if GWB is really worried about how much it will cost.

BTW on the bleating about the income limit being 85k/year. Take a family with 2 kids and no health insurance provided by employer, I make about that and have no health insurance, and get a quote for health insurance. I just ran a quote on a family of 4 and got a minimum premium of $690/month with a $500 deductible. That's $8280 + $500 out of pocket so health insurance would be more than 10% of the before tax income for a family with $85k annual income. That's going to be mighty hard to work into any budget.


So go to basic cable, don't buy the plasma screen TVs, buy a car that is less than $20,000 or buy something used for under 10, go buy a house in a neighborhood better suited to your income level with a house who value is stable... WORK within your budget!!!

Or....

Find a job who's bennies include health insurance!!!

Please....

$85,000k a year is an excellent salary for a family of 4!

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/5/2007 11:16:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish people would start focussing on how much cheaper it is to the country to cover people's health needs up front than to wait until they end up in emergency rooms with drastically more serious conditions that could have been easily prevented if they had been able to get routine care earlier. I've seen data on this and it is quite impressive. An ounce of prevention often is worth a pound of cure - and is much cheaper in the long run. Ben Franklin was right after all. Who knew?

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/6/2007 12:57:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is patently absurd.

Providing children with top notch health insurance so they can, hopefully, receive top notch health care in their formative years regardless of their parents situation is exactly what government should spend tax money on. M<ake KBR get by on only $40 per rotten meal they serve in Iraq if GWB is really worried about how much it will cost.

BTW on the bleating about the income limit being 85k/year. Take a family with 2 kids and no health insurance provided by employer, I make about that and have no health insurance, and get a quote for health insurance. I just ran a quote on a family of 4 and got a minimum premium of $690/month with a $500 deductible. That's $8280 + $500 out of pocket so health insurance would be more than 10% of the before tax income for a family with $85k annual income. That's going to be mighty hard to work into any budget.


So go to basic cable, don't buy the plasma screen TVs, buy a car that is less than $20,000 or buy something used for under 10, go buy a house in a neighborhood better suited to your income level with a house who value is stable... WORK within your budget!!!

Or....

Find a job who's bennies include health insurance!!!

Please....

$85,000k a year is an excellent salary for a family of 4!


I was thinking the same.  One of the problems with healthcare is everyone wants the best, and thinks someone else ought to be paying for it. 

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/6/2007 4:27:16 PM   
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I wish people would start focussing on how much cheaper it is to the country to cover people's health needs up front than to wait until they end up in emergency rooms with drastically more serious conditions that could have been easily prevented if they had been able to get routine care earlier. I've seen data on this and it is quite impressive. An ounce of prevention often is worth a pound of cure - and is much cheaper in the long run. Ben Franklin was right after all. Who knew?


Been saying this all along, as well as the fact the empowering our government to negotiate with Big Medical and Big Pharma from a position of strength makes a vast amount of good sense.

Sinergy

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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/6/2007 4:41:42 PM   
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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/6/2007 4:50:19 PM   
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Which program are you referring to, pahunkboy?

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p.s.  I had a friend who used to have to decide between food and copay for medicines whether to take her infant children to the doctor.  Not sure I would qualify that as a program that is working for the benefit of children.


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RE: Bush proclaims "Child Health Day",then ki... - 10/6/2007 5:29:00 PM   
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Which program are you referring to, pahunkboy?

Sinergy

p.s.  I had a friend who used to have to decide between food and copay for medicines whether to take her infant children to the doctor.  Not sure I would qualify that as a program that is working for the benefit of children.



the CHIP program,  there are quite a few people that must choose between rent/food/meds. 

i seen a documentary- explaining that wealth is created by scavaging the poor. wall street bankers lend to poor countries- etc= not to be nice=- but to line their pockets. [gasp]

any main media you hear is -- to keep the ruling elite the same. nothing to threaten it. so- freedom is being in Iraq- to bring freedom to those [lesser???] people.

even if it isnt apparant- a distraction keep the masses from the meat issues.

nothing is allowed to threaten the staus quo.

go along with "the man" or elseeeeeeeeeeee

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