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mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 3:39:33 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		With all the mudslinging, accusations, excuses from both Dems and Reps, I looked into a few things. It seems to me that the 501c3, headed By David Brock, is just an organization set to be a political hit on the right. Mr Brock seems to have alot of experience on that, as he used to be a political hitman for the right. Seems he screwed up on a job for the right, against Hillary Clinton, and then used it as justification to jump camps and make money from the left. I remember some of his stuff from the Clinton era, and even though I am a conservative, I did not like the tactics then and do not like those tactics now.

These organizations, whether created and supported by the left or the right, do nothing but muddy the waters and detract from the issues. I looked into the MoveOn.org thing mentioned in another thread, and it looks like mediamatters.org may have set up the current mudslinging to detract attention from last weeks mudslinging that seemed to backfire on moveon.org.

Even if I disagree with some of the posters politcal positions on this board, I have always thoght many of them intelligent. Is it not easy to see what is going on, with both parties? Nobody has any good solutions to current problems, and capture a clear majority, so they are doing hatchet jobs on each other.

Anyway, what are your opinions on mediamatters.org or similar political hatchet groups, no matter which political party supports them?

Orion

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 3:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It`s the same in the UK with all parties using too many spin doctors. Mudslinging is indeed a sign of parties having either few new ideas, or being scared they just might lose. It`s probably something that has taken place since elections began in one form or another, such as Chinese whispers.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 4:15:03 PM   
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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 4:16:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hatchet jobs should have no place in a civil society, no difference if it's MoveOn, mediamatters, Kenneth Starr, or the bastards that attacked Max Cleland. Of course, wish in one hand, piss in the other, see which fills up first, I know...
 
 

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 4:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree fargle, that would help.

Why cannot all the intelligent people just stop the back and forth between the parties, turn around and clean house in their own party, and then continue on? This kind of stuff just detracts from the issues, and then I see intelligent people pass the mudsling on, and they are just contributing to the problem.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 9:53:22 PM   
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I agree fargle, that would help.

Why cannot all the intelligent people just stop the back and forth between the parties, turn around and clean house in their own party, and then continue on? This kind of stuff just detracts from the issues, and then I see intelligent people pass the mudsling on, and they are just contributing to the problem.

Orion

Are you unaware of history?
Nixon will do anything and everything to discredit his enemies. Wins 2 POTUS elections.
Reagan (his advisor/handlers) will do anything and everything to discredit his enemies. Wins 2 POTUS elections.
Bush I will do anything and everything to discredit his opponents. He wins 1 POTUS election but runs into an even more vicious politician.
Bill Clinton will do anything and everything to discredit his enemies. Wins 2 POTUS elections.
GWB will do anything and everything to discredit his enemies. Wins 2 POTUS elections.

With this 40 years of history why would either party "clean house?"

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 10:17:54 PM   
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It seems like it's all "special interests" down there picking the pockets of the Taxpayers.
We really are being robbed!

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 10:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a counterpart to MediaMatters on the right, though their name escapes me at the moment. But your point is taken. This stuff will stop happening when it ceases to be effective. Look at the whole Swift Boat crap - 90% of it was lies but they somehow managed to convince this credulous country that John Kerry, who volunteered for combat, saved a man's life, turned and rammed a swift boat straight into enemy fire to knock out a machine gun nest and was wounded three times, into some... what's Rush's pejorative name now? Oh yeah, "phony soldier". (As opposed to the "real" one who drank and campaigned his way through the Vietnam war in Alabama when he was supposed to be protecting us from the invading Mexican Vietcong.)

This stuff will keep happening as long as you people keep swallowing it. Smarten up America! Or you'll keep getting the corrupt self-serving dunces you deserve!

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 10:57:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol Okay...

Let me ask....

Did MediaMatters, put the words"mad bomber of Bosnia",in Rush Limbaugh's mouth(in reference to Wesly Clark)?

Nope.

This,just after Limbaugh swore that he would never denigrate a soldier, or their service.

MediaMatters just pointed out that Rush said that.If that makes them hatchet men,so be it.

They didn`t make it up.

They`re just calling a spade,a spade.

It`s for the public to sort out.

David Brock used to be a right-wing hit man,but came in from the cold.
He`s not using those tactics now,but rather exposing them,when the Right-wing employs them.Of course the right-wing is going to squeal,and scream .They`re cry-babies,through and through.

Brock is making up for what he did to Anita Hill,and doing the right thing.

Let`s not let the neo-cons get away with diverting attention away from the crappy things Rush said,and didn`t apologize for,by bringing up websites,and their politics.




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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:13:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I agree fargle, that would help.

Why cannot all the intelligent people just stop the back and forth between the parties, turn around and clean house in their own party, and then continue on? This kind of stuff just detracts from the issues, and then I see intelligent people pass the mudsling on, and they are just contributing to the problem.

Orion


You`re kidding ,right?

Remember Carl Rove? Helloooo!

He is still very much alive and doing damage.

To be completely honest with you,liberals have to get into the gutter.Because the people we`re dealing with, come from the sewer.


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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:24:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		On a side point, has Rush Limbaugh ever come across a soldier he honored the service of, whose politics leaned to the left instead of right? It's quite an extraordinary coincidence, I'm sure, that all the "real" soldiers are Republicans and all the "phony" ones are Democrats. Just one of those once-in-a-cosmos phenomena.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:31:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SuzanneKneeling

On a side point, has Rush Limbaugh ever come across a soldier he honored the service of, whose politics leaned to the left instead of right? It's quite an extraordinary coincidence, I'm sure, that all the "real" soldiers are Republicans and all the "phony" ones are Democrats. Just one of those once-in-a-cosmos phenomena.


Good point.

I can`t think of one,and I`ve listened to Rush for years.

If a neo-con can,would you mention who?

  Licorice sticks, for anyone who can name one!



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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:35:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about Zell Miller, did he serve in the military? If so, he was probably a phony soldier who was only cravenly trying to spin his service into a Democratic political career, until he got elected and then eventually bolted for the GOP. By now he'd be reclassified as a "true soldier", and Rush would have redacted all of his archives to remove all his old comments from when Zell was a phony Democratic soldier.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:42:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who said you'd be amazed at what can be done if we forget about who gets the credit for it, or something like that?
All this left vs right stuff is what turns off a lot of people and it's counter productive.
Also, it leaves out a lot of people like myself who are neither left nor right.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/3/2007 11:51:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rush Limbaugh is not only a fat and stupid drug addicted fuckwad, and a loser but he has the additonal lure of being a loudmouth coward, as all are that support him, or his idiotic views.  His only saving grace is that he is not worthy to lick my ass and he knows it.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/4/2007 1:04:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The ONLY reason Dems are making such a big deal over the phoney soldier comment is because they were slammed with the moveon.org ad which the party was unable to respond to because they didn't want to anger their chief fundraiser, George Soros.

So they try to get revenge by spinning Limbaugh's comment and taking it out of context.

Its just funny that Democrats actually believe they support the military. If you look over the past few years you will find quotes by Jack Murtha, John Kerry, Ted Kenney, Dick Durbin, and others who pubically bashed our soldiers.... There is no question that the democratic elites look down on our soldiers. No question at all... What was it that John Kerry said about them a few years ago?

"But I think what we need to do is recognize what we all agree on, which is you’ve got to begin to set benchmarks for accomplishment. You’ve got to begin to transfer authority to the Iraqis. And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the—of—the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not."
-John Kerry

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard and do your homework, and make an effort to be smart...you can do well. Otherwise you get stuck in Iraq."
-John Kerry

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."
-Senator Dick Durbin

Look at how college campuses around the country have tried to ban military recruiters. The city of San Francisco has tried to ban military recruiters in that city. That idiot city supervisor out there, Geraldo Sandoval, thinks the US should not have a military. He made a statement about a year ago on Hannity and Colmes about how much peaceful the world will be if the United States didn't have a military. This is the same guy who thinks we should open up the southern border. I mean it's insane what some of these morons think. How the hell do these people get elected?

Don't pull this spin that somehow Democrats support the military. The Dems cannot support the military because of George Soros, moveon.org, and the anti-war voters. The Democrats know they need these people in 2008 in order to install Hillary in the White House and begin the socialist revolution agenda inside America.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/4/2007 1:22:09 AM   
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before we go further with this

I am a veteran-------------are you?
let us just sit down and reason together and start there,  I aint in no tipped over situation yet, but I have buddies who were---------

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/4/2007 2:16:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im not the one insulting soldiers....The democratic party and the anti-war voters are the ones doing that every single day. Yet you bash the GOP and Rush Limbaugh who was taken out of context.

Why not answer that question...if you are a veteran, why arn't you more angry at the people that call our soldiers Nazis? Why arn't you more angry at the Senators who call our troops uneducated? Why arn't you more angry at the organization that calls the general of our forces in Iraq a traitor? Rush Limbaugh makes one comment and you blow up on him. But when these leftists make a comment you stand silent. It doesn't make sense to me, dude. It doesn't make sense.

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/4/2007 2:29:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, perfect sense, I am a veteran and you aint.  Don't fight for my rights now, you never have done it before and you have eroded them since you told me what I was in for.
Um, you got all these sentences put together , but I really don't see that kinda shit going on, in the main.
Quick story you won't get...........I was in a little dust up out east, come home and I had to pay .50 cents to take a fucking dump, in some airport (LaGuardia, i think).  I actually had a couple thou in my pocket of some really green jeans but thought ---what the fuck--- kicked the door in, Ben Franklin woulda wantedit that way----Big Burley cops come in to arrest me for kicking in the door of the shtiter, couple of em  7 times my size with all the gear, I had three little piece of shit ribbons on my blouse (didn't do nothing special, JUST LIVED) they saw, and saw what I looked like and said dont do it again and walked away--------but I woulda killed them to take a free shit, at home............ what you gonna do, son?

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RE: mediamatters.org and David Brock - 10/4/2007 6:24:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		So now supporting the troops equals never ever facing the bad that they do? That's bullshit.

I'm a vet and as a vet I know that some times servicemen break the law and/or do things they have no business doing, rape/murder of little girls and torturing  prisoners for instance. Honorable people cannot and should not ignore or condone those things. That does not mean those same honorable people do not support the overwhelming majority of the troops.

What is disrespectful and not supportive of our troops is to send them into combat under manned, under equipped and in support of lies. What is even more disrespectful and not supportive is to leave these troops half way around the world absorbing casualties so that companies owned by and allied with the VPOTUS can enrich themselves.

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