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LadyEllen -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/2/2007 5:29:10 AM)

Agreed on that one Seeks - the welfare system needs serious overhaul; I recall one contributor last night saying that there are something like 3 million on incapacity benefit, but its known that 2/3 could work if they had the skills to do so.

But I think the first step has to be along the lines of constitutional reform - first of all, a written constitution would be good - "the rules of club UK" sort of thing, wherein is found not only what freedoms and rights are guaranteed but also one's duties and obligations are clearly set out. This should be a totally new document, drawing on not only the heritage of the UK but the traditions of all groups - it must be inclusive, and set out a clear work ethic. Since we will require a standard language for the interpretation not to say drafting of this document, English will be the standard. We would also hold referenda in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on independence, so that there can be no arguments about the matter - the new constitution will apply so long as the constituent nations agree to be in the UK.

We would also need to disenfranchise the Church of England from the state - this is an anachronism that has gone on for far too long - including the removal of bishops from the Lords, and involvement of the CofE in state occasions. I'd prefer to keep the Queen on as head of state, but only because I dont see a presidency meaning anything than alternative issues - change is not necessarily improvement.

We also need Proportional Representation for our electoral process for the Commons and local government; this leads to coalition government which is weak, some will say; I say the exact opposite - it makes a stronger nation in that more voices are heard and we all have some influence over things. Meanwhile, the Lords would comprise of worthy people - as judged by us the people, from all groups, pro rata.

And then, the welfare state. I would propose an end to paying people to sit around doing nothing - especially when we have more than enough work available (given we are importing people to work). I would give twelve months in which to find work - after that, people must turn up to perform whatever work they can (allocated through Job Centres and agencies) to get their benefits; we could even add a ten pounds per day sweetener to the deal so they'd be better off doing something than doing nothing. Dont turn up though - and dont get anything. Obviously, those who are incapacitated would not fall under such a programme, but given 2/3 of those supposedly incapacitated are not, we should be able to make quite an impact not only on attitudes but on productivity too.

We also know that there are a million unpaid carers in the UK - caring for elderly, infirm and disabled relatives and friends. This needs sorting out. Presto! An army of assistants by way of ten quid a day. And by getting more and more people into work in this way, we wont need so much immigration either.

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MasDom -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/4/2007 7:16:46 AM)

Think we should just hunt down the nigerians hacking us, and take their cash funds for war efforts?




meatcleaver -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/4/2007 7:32:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

the four highest earning groups of immigrants
Americans (US)
Canadians
Australians
South Africans

70% of TB cases diagnosed are in first generation immigrants - 700 cases of HIV per year are diagnosed in immigrants, even though the issue of a visa is allegedly contingent on passing a screening test. This adds £63 million costs to the health service a year - but the health service couldnt run without..... the immigrants who work within it!



What Brits ought to be asking themselves is how other western European countries have the same imigration problems as Britain but seem to be able to afford all the services Britain has and more, better education, train services that cost a fraction of British trains, run to timetable and don't break down, actually have bus routes with buses! Higher welfare benefits etc. etc. and all for the same tax base.

Hmm Could it be because of jollies like Iraq?




LadyEllen -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/4/2007 9:05:53 AM)

I dont think it can be put down to Iraq MC - after all, its been this way for years.

but it is a question worth asking, as to why with the huge tax inputs we have, we have such poor outputs

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seeksfemslave -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/4/2007 10:37:11 AM)

Are the outputs really so poor ?
Feather bedded pensions for civil servants.
Nice life style for 15 year old mothers
NHS GPs "earning" 100 K per year.
Good paying jobs for the 'Elf and Safety, Community relations officers, they make sure we all love one another. 5 a day co ordinators, they encourage us to eatour  fruit and vegetables.
The Race Relations industry in general.
BBC employees.
University reseachers involving themselves in totally useless research. Especially in fields like Sociology or Industrial History.
Enormous amounts spent on IT contracts that never seem to perform as expected
The Millenium Dome.Next stop the Olympics.
Mega millions spent on Arts projects that appeal to a self regarding elite.
More and better paid teachers producing more  illiterate and inumerate students.

No I think we have every reason to be quite satisfied. Choke splutter cough aaaggghhh !!!!
Its being so cheerful that keeps me going.




Politesub53 -> RE: OMG - Dispatches, Channel 4 NOW (10/4/2007 11:46:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

What Brits ought to be asking themselves is how other western European countries have the same imigration problems as Britain but seem to be able to afford all the services Britain has and more, better education, train services that cost a fraction of British trains, run to timetable and don't break down, actually have bus routes with buses! Higher welfare benefits etc. etc. and all for the same tax base.

Hmm Could it be because of jollies like Iraq?


It would be nice to see some tables to go with your assertions. Iraq could be part of the answer as France and Germany both invested more than us during the early 90`s. But to for me to belive everything you say i would love to see some proof.
Oddly enough Its difficult to find much on the Eu`s own web site.




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