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Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 10:08:18 AM   
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“My trust in you went haywire”
This is what I said to him.
We’re going to  Tarantino this a bit to make it more interesting.

“My trust in you went haywire”
Now, let’s travel back in time and see why I said this.



Trust means enabling other people to take advantage of your vulnerabilities—but expecting that they will not do this.


We decided to let me try my hand at being a slave. Now I say to him..”Yes Sir sounds fun.”
Obviously not knowing what I was getting myself  into.
He goes on to say such things like: I will do with you what I want..ectectect.
Again, I’m fine with this because I trust him.
But at this time, my definition of trust was a bit asked.
How to word this..Umm..I trusted him to follow my rules. My hard limits that I previously set up. ’Because it was MY doing, he had a “law” to follow and I felt safe in him knowing this law.
I trusted him but only because I had said “law.” I had rules.
But say..We take all laws away. I become his slave and therefore his property. I have no rights.
I sorta flipped.
No way…No way am I going down there so you can use me at your will, because if I agree to this, this having of the no rights, I am no longer safe and because you say you want to take all rights from me, I therefore lose trust in you.
“My trust in you went haywire”

But again, my definition of trust was very shaky
And he helped me to see that. Just because one CAN do something, doesn’t mean that they WILL do something.
That, I've come to learn is the point of this whole act, this new step we're taking. He wants me to open myself completely to him.
To really trust him.
To let him roam free  unchecked in the candy store and trust that he wont make a mess of it.
Not  because there's someone looking over his shoulder watching him. But because he's a good and trustworthy man.

I’m not sure why I posted this, maybe because I feel so…I’m not sure. Happy?  Free, whatever. I just want to share it.
Because to me. it's new, and shainy.
Got the wow factor going on.

I know a lot of you are saying “Well duh you little twat where have you been living.”
Truth is, I’m new to this..and while I do have to trust people in my day to day life, I only have to give them so much of my trust. I trust them to show up at a certain time, I trust them to say or do certain things..I however never let anyone “in” enough to trust them with my vulnerabilities. This is all a very new realization for me.
People don’t hurt me because I don’t “allow” them to hurt me, I don’t give them the chance. That’s not trust in them, that’s trust in my self-protection.
I didn’t know I had an issue with trust.
I thought I was on friendly terms with it.
Apparently..I was dead wrong.

I think I’m getting the hang of this.
&& I gotta say..Its wicked awesome.



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Maybe tell me when you first opened up?
Or is this something that one is born knowing and I am indeed a twat?

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 10:40:36 AM   
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This post loses a lot of its interest when replies are constained in the "PS".  Still, I'm not typically one to respect such things, so..

Yeah, welcome to an increasingly M/s-sort-of dynamic.  It sounds pretty much like you're getting well into the D/s part.. where you're still quite seperate, though you're starting to trust him not to violate the limits you've set up.

It seems that probably part of the "freedom" you feel is that you've made the assumption that he'll not violate you.  That you are no longer constrained to a position in which you must watch and police him; that, now, you can experience a dynamic, in whatever form it may take, without the paraniod concern of constantly moniterring and analyzing your mate.. a task which must've been particularly exhaustive and stressful for one with OCD.

The relationship you're currently experiencing is, in my choice of nomenclature, D/s.  I do wonder if the dynamic will continue to evolve into M/s, or if this state might maintain itself, or if it won't work out in the end.  Regardless of my people-watching plondering, though, I hope you, if nothing else, find bliss ends.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 10:51:23 AM   
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everyone is new to the lifestyle in some form. Most people did not get into this until the internet and media promoted it. Of course they are going to say no. But how stupid is that proof is in the pudding. You can always tell someone of experince by not what they say but in what in they do. Past will always dictate the future. For example someone who has been married more then three times. Did not grow from the first time. Someone that has tons of collars has issues. In most cases people are looking for a  solid person who respects them. That is not rocket science.  I guess the best thing is always take your time. everyones path is different. One of my pet peves are when people tell you how much your like someone else. IN reality they are only seeing the points in you, in which that last person had. They never get to know you So getting to know you is half the battle and that is what is all about.  

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 11:21:17 AM   
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quote:

Yeah, welcome to an increasingly M/s-sort-of dynamic.  It sounds pretty much like you're getting well into the D/s part.. where you're still quite seperate, though you're starting to trust him not to violate the limits you've set up.
quote:


It seems that probably part of the "freedom" you feel is that you've made the assumption that he'll not violate you.  That are no longer constrained to a position in which you must watch and police him; that, now, you can experience a dynamic, in whatever form it may take, without the paraniod concern of constantly moniterring and analyzing your mate.. a task which must've been particularly exhaustive and stressful for one with OCD.


You hit the nail on the head. It's hoped that with me giving total control to him, that I can finally relax.

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The relationship you're currently experiencing is, in my choice of nomenclature, D/s.  I do wonder if the dynamic will continue to evolve into M/s, or if this state might maintain itself, or if it won't work out in the end.  Regardless of my people-watching plondering, though, I hope you, if nothing else, find bliss ends.



I think I failed to mention that we're giving the whole slave thing a test run. Just for the weekend. See how I do..ectectect. It has to be handed to me in baby steps. Otherwise, I'm off like The Flash.
And thank you again, I'm sure I'll have a blasty.


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everyone is new to the lifestyle in some form. Most people did not get into this until the internet and media promoted it. Of course they are going to say no. But how stupid is that proof is in the pudding. You can always tell someone of experince by not what they say but in what in they do. Past will always dictate the future. For example someone who has been married more then three times. Did not grow from the first time. Someone that has tons of collars has issues. In most cases people are looking for a  solid person who respects them. That is not rocket science.  I guess the best thing is always take your time. everyones path is different. One of my pet peves are when people tell you how much your like someone else. IN reality they are only seeing the points in you, in which that last person had. They never get to know you So getting to know you is half the battle and that is what is all about.  


I've actually been very interested in this lifestyle since I was a wee lass (of about 16) I couldnt however pursue it fully  until I did all the research.  I can't jump into someting of this caliber until I've cross and trippled checked all the facts, opinions, stats ectect... -shrugs- I'm glad for the internet and media, otherwise how would I find nformation?
Solid is good. I suppose, but  there's something to be said for sporadic...I'll take a happy middle.
Thank you.



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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 12:35:18 PM   
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What's an e-flammer? 

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 1:32:07 PM   
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quote:

Just because one CAN do something, doesn’t mean that they WILL do something.
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I think that was your main breakthrough......
Trust is not static....I mean we can trust that a door will open a certain way but after all it is a door and THNINGS obey the laws of gravity, mass, physics etc.

Ohthers are projections of ourselves after all, and if we impose OUR static rules onto them there is never a guarantee that they will stick to their agreements anyway....
SO why not take all the agreements away and in the place of a supposed constant simply put trust.....trust is then a process.....the further he pulls, you push or the further you push he pulls...organic, in the moment, forever changing.....but the relationship...the distance if you like, or the intimacy remains the same......

wow sorrry if that made no sense to you it did to me but only in the very same moment of writing....

congratulations on your slavehood...........


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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 1:44:13 PM   
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People don’t hurt me because I don’t “allow” them to hurt me, I don’t give them the chance. That’s not trust in them, that’s trust in my self-protection.


Wow...This really hit me between the eyes....I see I still have much work of my own to do also...Thanks for sharing your story and I wish you the best.


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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 1:56:52 PM   
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quote:

wow sorrry if that made no sense to you it did to me but only in the very same moment of writing....

congratulations on your slavehood...........


Thank you, it made perfect sense to me. I can't really word the how or why, but it does.


quote:

Wow...This really hit me between the eyes....I see I still have much work of my own to do also...Thanks for sharing your story and I wish you the best.


I'm still floored by it. It's funny how we obviously dont even know the meaning of a word we learned in the second grade.  XD Or at the very least don't know how to put it to proper use.
I'm happy that my post could help you. && Also happy I'm not alone in this.
Thank you.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 3:43:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pseudopsychotic




“My trust in you went haywire”
This is what I said to him.
We’re going to  Tarantino this a bit to make it more interesting.

“My trust in you went haywire”
Now, let’s travel back in time and see why I said this.



Trust means enabling other people to take advantage of your vulnerabilities—but expecting that they will not do this.


We decided to let me try my hand at being a slave. Now I say to him..”Yes Sir sounds fun.”
Obviously not knowing what I was getting myself  into.
He goes on to say such things like: I will do with you what I want..ectectect.
Again, I’m fine with this because I trust him.
But at this time, my definition of trust was a bit asked.
How to word this..Umm..I trusted him to follow my rules. My hard limits that I previously set up. ’Because it was MY doing, he had a “law” to follow and I felt safe in him knowing this law.
I trusted him but only because I had said “law.” I had rules.
But say..We take all laws away. I become his slave and therefore his property. I have no rights.
I sorta flipped.
No way…No way am I going down there so you can use me at your will, because if I agree to this, this having of the no rights, I am no longer safe and because you say you want to take all rights from me, I therefore lose trust in you.
“My trust in you went haywire”

But again, my definition of trust was very shaky
And he helped me to see that. Just because one CAN do something, doesn’t mean that they WILL do something.
That, I've come to learn is the point of this whole act, this new step we're taking. He wants me to open myself completely to him.
To really trust him.
To let him roam free  unchecked in the candy store and trust that he wont make a mess of it.
Not  because there's someone looking over his shoulder watching him. But because he's a good and trustworthy man.

I’m not sure why I posted this, maybe because I feel so…I’m not sure. Happy?  Free, whatever. I just want to share it.
Because to me. it's new, and shainy.
Got the wow factor going on.

I know a lot of you are saying “Well duh you little twat where have you been living.”
Truth is, I’m new to this..and while I do have to trust people in my day to day life, I only have to give them so much of my trust. I trust them to show up at a certain time, I trust them to say or do certain things..I however never let anyone “in” enough to trust them with my vulnerabilities. This is all a very new realization for me.
People don’t hurt me because I don’t “allow” them to hurt me, I don’t give them the chance. That’s not trust in them, that’s trust in my self-protection.
I didn’t know I had an issue with trust.
I thought I was on friendly terms with it.
Apparently..I was dead wrong.

I think I’m getting the hang of this.
&& I gotta say..Its wicked awesome.



Care to add a cent or two?
Maybe tell me when you first opened up?
Or is this something that one is born knowing and I am indeed a twat?

PS: E-flammers will be ignored.





No, no one is born knowing this, and you are not a "twat".

The step you are taking is a difficult one, impossible for most, I think.

But assuming your partner lives up to his end (and nothing you've said would lead me to believe otherwise), then the "wow factor" is going to last a very long time.




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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 7:02:31 PM   
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The Wow Factor is so much fun isn't it? I'm glad you are experiencing it. 

No, you're not a twat. I recently came to a lot of the same realizations that you just spoke of. I was also recently collared as a slave and i'm still wrapping my head around it all. I guess the hardest part is that i don't understand why i feel so safe? Of course the answer is trust, that i trust my Master when he says he does not want to do anything to harm his property. This doesn't mean i have some naive notion that he will never make a mistake or that i will never get hurt but this is where the issue of personal responsibility comes in.  I used to struggle with the idea of trusting someone else with my well being. I thought, "how stupid is it to trust another human being to know you well enough to never hurt you." A big breakthrough for me was when i realized that this is not exactly what is meant by surrendering to another. If my Master tells me do something that makes me feel icky i am not expected to simply obey with a Yes Master. It is my responsibility to tell him how i feel, explain why i feel icky (or simply that i do.) However this does not mean that i have taken control. I have simply given him the knowledge he needs to take care of his property. If after listening to my concerns he determines that i will not be emotionally or physically damaged by hjs demands then he will probably still make me do it. I have not only left the decision in his hands but allowed him to make the more informed decision he can. It was after this realization that i was finally able to accept and embrace my desire to be a slave. I still say to him " i don't want to be that person who lets themselves get into a bad situation" and he understands and is giving me time to let my brain readjust to the idea that i am no longer in charge of the decisions about my well being. I am responsible for my well being in that i am expected to always be proactive in addressing my feelings but i no longer have control over those decisions.

Hope that makes sense. Sorry for talking on and on. I am very happy for you being so happy.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 7:23:07 PM   
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No, no one is born knowing this, and you are not a "twat".

The step you are taking is a difficult one, impossible for most, I think.

But assuming your partner lives up to his end (and nothing you've said would lead me to believe otherwise), then the "wow factor" is going to last a very long time.


Wow, huh, the wow factor is cool and all..But I hav got to get back to normal soon.
My happy is scaring my cat. o.o
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Thanks for the support.


quote:

Hope that makes sense. Sorry for talking on and on. I am very happy for you being so happy.


I happy for you being happy that I'm happy.  
XD

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 7:38:12 PM   
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Were charlotte or Tigrita to ask me if they were a twat for feeling this way, I'd say:  "You're not a twat.  A cunt maybe, but not a twat."

Within the confines of consensual slavery, limits reflect trust.  If you don't trust the D to abide by the limits you have set, limits have no meaning.  Telling your dominant that you have x, y, and z limits doesn't necessarily mean he will abide by your rules.  It just means that if he does, you will feel justified in terminating the relationship (the corollary to no longer having trust.)  I think it's sort of like tacking up a sign over a bridge, saying 11'6" ; anything higher's going to end up not getting through.  Many submissives/slaves seem to feel that just because they didn't tack up a sign over that bridge, that they should 'allow' unacceptable behavior through. 

Personally, I don't indulge in safewords or limits.  I had this conversation up front and clearly with my girls; that their well-being was of the utmost importance to me, and that I needed to be aware of any physical or emotional limitations they may have (asthma for one, choking for another.)  Then the rule is up to me, to determine what and how far anything will go.  If they find themselves unable to engage in a certain behavior I expect, demand, or require, they are to try and communicate that to me.  If I push through, they accept the behavior, beg release, or revoke consent.

It sounds much harsher than it is; the fact is, I'm not so 'activity' focused that I require much in the way of specific fetishes or kinks.  Should I have had a specific activity that I absolutely required (say, scat for example) that would have been made crystal clear from the get go, and they would have most certainly known what they were getting into long before I had so much as laid a finger on them.

Ironically, this approach has enabled them to push many of what they would have considered to be normal boundaries; I don't doubt that if I were to present either with a steaming bowl of feces, that it would be made use of.  I'd say fortunately for them, it's not something I care to find out.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 7:43:47 PM   
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 I don't doubt that if I were to present either with a steaming bowl of feces, that it would be made use of.  




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I'd say fortunately for them, it's not something I care to find out.



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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 9/30/2007 8:26:40 PM   
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Congratualtions on Your happiness....
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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 10/1/2007 9:07:27 AM   
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Personally, I don't indulge in safewords or limits.  I had this conversation up front and clearly with my girls; that their well-being was of the utmost importance to me, and that I needed to be aware of any physical or emotional limitations they may have (asthma for one, choking for another.)  Then the rule is up to me, to determine what and how far anything will go.  If they find themselves unable to engage in a certain behavior I expect, demand, or require, they are to try and communicate that to me.  If I push through, they accept the behavior, beg release, or revoke consent.


Hmm, I think..idk, If I ever had to use a safeword, you can bet your house that I wouldnt be going back for more.
Of course a lot of my issues stem from my OCD, and if that's fucked with....Forget about it.
Thank you for your reply.


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Congratualtions on Your happiness....


thank you. I wish you all the best.


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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 10/1/2007 9:45:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: charlotte12

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

 I don't doubt that if I were to present either with a steaming bowl of feces, that it would be made use of.  




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I'd say fortunately for them, it's not something I care to find out.



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I'll second that!

I'm not a slave, but I do feel the wow factor too.  Before I met Stephan I considered myself only sexually submissive.  My connection, desire, and trust in him has opened me up to so much more than I ever imagined, but it is really scary at times.  Scary and beautiful.  Trust is a really hard thing for me too.  I really, really get exactly what you mean when you say
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People don’t hurt me because I don’t “allow” them to hurt me, I don’t give them the chance. That’s not trust in them, that’s trust in my self-protection.
  I never really understood why people thought it was so great to fall in love and be so intimate with someone, and make yourself vulnerable.  I lived a very happy life being strong, and tough, and not allowing myself to be vulnerable to anyone, and a lot of people thought that was really sad, and I just thought they were the sad ones, weak, and waiting to be hurt.  I'm finally understanding the beauty of vulnerability again, after having been hurt by it a long time ago.  It is scary, it is almost painful at times.  I know that I probably will be hurt at some point, that is what happens when you walk around barefoot.  But never maliciously.  And if I didn't take my shoes off, I'd never experience the cool, wet grass, the warm sand between my toes, the tickle of the surf rushing over my feet...  It is worth a stubbed toe now and then.  And to know that you have trust in someone completely (and they in you), and that neither of you are defined and constrained by letter of a limit, but instead have a trust and respect and spirit that is all at once higher, deeper, and more profound than a line drawn in the sand or a word set in stone, it is beautiful.  WOW.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 10/1/2007 10:26:21 AM   
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Nobody is totally trusting of everyone else. It would be a stupid thing to do. So somebody emails you and orders you to "kneel bitch" are you going to do so in the middle of Starbucks, or in front of your boss?

The only sensible thing is to let trust grow slowly. You trust that if you say good morning to some one on the bus the response won't be "drop dead". If you continue to take the same bus every morning and see this person regularly exchanging greetings, you allow the trust to grow to the stage of asking if he saw the weather report. Months later you may get to the point of chatting about the Today Show to enliven your commute. You then see them at a deli at lunchtime and if there's an open seat at his table, you extend trust to asking to share the table.

Relationships work the same way. You see people in many different situations and learn if he is calm and collected only when things go well, or if he has self control all the time. Once you trust he won't go crazy on you for meeting late because you had a flat tire, then you trust a little more. You do it little by little as you get to know them, learning their moral code and ethical boundaries.

Until you had seen him enough, talked to him enough to really know that he was a good person who merited trust, you shouldn't have extended any unusual amount of it. Now that you know him better, you can trust him further. And as the relationship grows, so does the trust.

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RE: Experiencing the Wow Factor. - 10/1/2007 10:48:20 AM   
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Until you had seen him enough, talked to him enough to really know that he was a good person who merited trust, you shouldn't have extended any unusual amount of it. Now that you know him better, you can trust him further. And as the relationship grows, so does the trust.


Thank you. I understand that repitition enables trust to grow. What I'm saying, is that..I thought I did trust people. I didnt know I had a chip o my shoulder. And the more I think about it, the more I see where I went wrong. Its not that I dont trust people, its that I trust them to act like morons and I act accordely to that thought. I dont have any illustions that Sir will never mess up, I know he will, wonderful man that he is, he's still human. But in the end, I trust that he will take care of me, not only my body but  my mind.


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And if I didn't take my shoes off, I'd never experience the cool, wet grass, the warm sand between my toes, the tickle of the surf rushing over my feet...  It is worth a stubbed toe now and then.  And to know that you have trust in someone completely (and they in you), and that neither of you are defined and constrained by letter of a limit, but instead have a trust and respect and spirit that is all at once higher, deeper, and more profound than a line drawn in the sand or a word set in stone, it is beautiful.  WOW.


Wonderfully put.
Thank you for sharing.
Though I could do without the toe pain. o_o

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