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Level -> Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 6:57:23 PM)

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Let us begin with a short quiz: a few questions to ponder during the 30 (or 60 or 90) minutes a day you spend burning off excess calories at the gym, or perhaps while feeling guilty because you’re not so engaged. If lean people are more physically active than fat people—one fact in the often-murky science of weight control that’s been established beyond reasonable doubt— does that mean that working out will make a fat person lean? Does it mean that sitting around will make a lean person fat? How about a mathematical variation on these questions: Let’s say we go to the gym and burn off 3,500 calories every week—that’s 700 calories a session, five times a week. Since a pound of fat is equivalent to 3,500 calories, does that mean we’ll be a pound slimmer for every week we exercise? And will we continue to slim down at this pace for as long as we continue to exercise?


For most of us, fear of flab is the reason we exercise, the motivation that drives us to the gym. It’s also why public-health authorities have taken to encouraging ever more exercise as part of a healthy lifestyle. If we’re fat or fatter than ideal, we work out. Burn calories. Expend energy. Still fat? Burn more. The dietary guidelines of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, for instance, now recommend that we engage in up to 60 minutes daily of “moderate to vigorous intensity” physical activity just to maintain weight—that is, keep us from fattening further. Considering the ubiquity of the message, the hold it has on our lives, and the elegant simplicity of the notion—burn calories, lose weight—wouldn’t it be nice to believe it were true? The catch is that science suggests it’s not, and so the answer to all of the above quiz questions is “no.”


Just last month, the American Heart Association and the American College of Sports Medicine published joint guidelines for physical activity and health. They suggested that 30 minutes of moderate physical activity five days a week is necessary to “promote and maintain health.” What they didn’t say, though, was that more physical activity will lead us to lose weight. Indeed, the best they could say about the relationship between fat and exercise was this: “It is reasonable to assume that persons with relatively high daily energy expenditures would be less likely to gain weight over time, compared with those who have low energy expenditures. So far, data to support this hypothesis are not particularly compelling.” In other words, despite half a century of efforts to prove otherwise, scientists still can’t say that exercise will help keep off the pounds.


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ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 7:05:05 PM)

Defies common sense for met who- but who knows.




toservez -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 7:58:57 PM)

It is very simple and logical that it does not take a science degree to understand…

Take in calories is greater then burn calories gain weight. Burn calories more then take in calories lose weight. Exercise burns calories therefore can help lose weight. Exercising alone with out monitoring the intake does not guarantee weight loss. So all the people that walk on a treadmill for an hour then hit the high sugar juice bar or have a dessert to reward themselves are in fact paying for that food with exercise but gain or lose weight is still in the intake variable as well.

Obviously there are other benefits to exercise that help maintain or lose weight. The more you work out and are in shape you maximize your own metabolism rate and there is a mental health benefit to exercising that can help you on keeping your better eating habits.

So you do not have to exercise to lose weight and you in fact can gain weight from exercising because it is only one half of the equation. It is not a big scam or myth the best way to maintain weight is to have an exercise component to your life. You just cannot ignore the calorie intake portion which apparently these studies did.




br0ken -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 8:01:54 PM)

Haha I love it when people talk about this.

The best shape I had ever been in was 3 years ago *before babies* and I was going to HOT yoga 5 times a week and eating anything I want. I had to drink at least a gallon of water a day because of the amount I sweat off my body but I was in GREAT shape. My skin was flawless and smooth. You should try it.

That way, you can eat whatever you want. Why diet and make yourself miserable and not physically satisfied when you dont have to. *shrugs*

After this baby, I am now back at hot yoga. A friend of mine lost 62 LBS in 4 mos and i have lost 12 LBS in 2 mos.







LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 8:04:51 PM)

I know for me regular exercise and normal eating really isn't going to work at all.  I need aggressive regular exercise and severe long term caloric push down.  I do have a slow metabolism and my body just hates it when I try to change whatever point I've let my fat self get used to.  However, while I have not lost a significant amount of weight, in four months I have not missed a single week of going to the gym at least once for a full workout and I am definitely more toned, with a lot more strength and endurance.  Totally worth it.




Owner59 -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 9:24:33 PM)

  that`s not the point of exercise,though it can be a benefit.

It`s to exercise your heart, and it helps w/ all body function, including sex.




Termyn8or -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 11:10:31 PM)

I'll put it this way.

If your body is exercised, it burns fuel. Where does that energy come from ? It can come from the reserves (fat) or what youi ate today.

My advice is to continue to exercise, but starve yourself. Take in just enough to replenish you essentials, do it for a couple days and then eat some meat.

You will feel sluggish the next day, but you will be the better for it.

If you do this a bunch of times you can stabilize at a lower level of intake, an if, and I mean IF youi can keep burning fat, you will be alot better off. And there are a million things you can not eat anymore.

If you exercise and don't fast, you gain nothing. It is that simple for most peoiple.

The problem is that people doing this might run out of energy, this is where the "second wind" is important. This is precisely where you win. You must cut off the diresct flow to get your body to start eating it's fat reserves. There must be no today's dinner, it must be FORCED to go to the fat reserves.

You do not have to fast all your life, but I would do it periodically to keep your stomach from enlarging. In some cases, you need like five very small meals a day. This is when the condition is severe. Try a day on just water, nothing else. If you can do it once, you can do it twice. Do it on a weekend or whenever you do not have to go to work. Just try one day, get past that and then try two. Keep moving, exercising and all that. FORCE it to burn it the fat off of itself. That is the key, because the LAST fucking thing the human body wants to do is lose it's fat. That is storage. And it will pay the rent It will hppily carry the weight and that should make your legs stronger.

Everyone I know who was fat as a kid has really strong legs. But when you start carrying around more like ½ that weight, you should feel like about ½ your age.

Might be worth a try. I am not saying fast forever, only certain times. Fast before physical exertion. fast before sex, fast before work if I dare say so. I have, but it might take some practice. So practice.

And then when you come off a fast, it'll take hours to type all that. Don't just jump into it, you can research and see whayt it does to your blood sugar and other things. But this is really the fastest way, fast and work, or workout. Make the body think there is no food around. And when you get done, meat, veggies. No carbs whatsoever at the time. That does not mean forever, just for right now, to PERSUADE your body to burn fat.

It is not comfortable, nor is it easy, but if you can do it you can beat the fat problem. And yes, you exercise until you drop as you fast, that is the whole point. FORCING your body to use the reserves (fat). This is not the same as the fat you might eat, and in fact you need some fat.

What is on your plate is not on your hips YET.

Your choice, but this is the real fast track, and I think it is healthy. I did it and lost about 45 lbs., and I think I am healthier now than I was then. Your choice.

T




laurell3 -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/25/2007 11:13:29 PM)

if your standard is actually just losing weight, depending on what shape you were in before, you might actually gain weight as you add muscle where fat used to be.  Overall I think is true that exercise will give us more energy and make us feel better and that's why I do it (when I do it).
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hisannabelle -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/26/2007 4:11:27 AM)

greetings all,

quite honestly, that 3500 calories equals a pound stuff makes sense but in practice, in my experience, it just doesn't work out that way. whether or not and what amount and what kind of exercise will affect weight loss depends on a lot of individual factors, not least issues relating to muscle mass and building muscle mass, as well as the metabolism.

the fact is: exercise is good for you (as long as you're not doing it compulsively or doing things that will affect any health conditions you have). everyone should exercise regularly (at LEAST 30 minutes 3x per week, but 3-6 hours a week would be even better), even if you're normal weight, because it's good for your body, helps your mood, etc. if you are extremely overweight, what you are able to do changes, so obviously you won't go running or anything like that, but there are still types of exercise you can and should do.

i don't understand why "exercise is good for you" isn't enough reason to get people to exercise. i mean, i know we like losing weight (if we're overweight) or maintaining it (if we're normal weight), but if we do what is right for our bodies rather than just doing everything to manipulate our bodies, our bodies will be more likely to function in the way they are supposed to, in my experience.

respectfully,
annabelle.




AquaticSub -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/26/2007 4:52:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

if your standard is actually just losing weight, depending on what shape you were in before, you might actually gain weight as you add muscle where fat used to be.  Overall I think is true that exercise will give us more energy and make us feel better and that's why I do it (when I do it).
l


That is the truth. It is not just excerise, it is what you are doing to excerise. I always find it ironic when soon-to-be brides hit the gym to fit into their wedding dresses better and end up bulking up and out of their dresses.

Excerise is good but you also shouldn't over-excerise. That is really bad on your joints.




peterK50 -> RE: Does exercise really make us thinner? (9/26/2007 5:36:18 AM)

When I go to the gym I see the fat people are all sweating on treadmills & bikes & the more "fit" people are weight training. If you lift weights you will not lose weight, as muscle weighs more then fat, but you will become more fit. The increased muscle mass also burns more calories.




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