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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:09:12 AM   
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Do bald men dream of not standing up into open cupboard doors?

I think I can answer that yes........

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Well, Ron, if you'd stop tossing girls up onto the kitchen counter for a quick snack, maybe you'd quit whacking your noggin when you stand up to wipe your lips. *grins*

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:15:34 AM   
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My new journal story: Do Amputees Dream of Dancing
with apologies to Philip Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
has made me think:

Is it our fantasies that drive our realities and push our limits?
or will our fantasies remain always out of reach.

Prinsexx




I have (had) fantasies based on no reality or near type experiences that some eventually come true or not. I have had fantasies based on experiences opening up my mind. I have had fantasies that are easy and/or possible to fulfill. I have fantasies that are never ever gone to happen.

In other words it is a not an either or situation but both.



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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:27:02 AM   
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Is it me or are the questions on the boards just getting weirder and weirder?  Go ahead, domi, take your best shot.

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:31:10 AM   
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Is it me or are the questions on the boards just getting weirder and weirder?  Go ahead, domi, take your best shot.


You sure? It will be heading towards your ass.

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:50:15 AM   
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My fantasies are far more edgier than I can handle in real life. And I see no reason to strive to make them accessible. There are people who have snuff fantasies. I see no reason they should dedicate their ambition to making that a reality. Nor do they.

By definition a fantasy is something not rooted in reality. If they were things you were obligated to strive for then they would goals or ambitions.

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 11:58:02 AM   
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Sure, you've seen the size of the target.  Think you can hit it?

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 12:02:58 PM   
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not trying to hit the whole thing...Just the bullseye in the middle.

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 1:10:23 PM   
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This thread caught my attention, since it just so happens that today, Sept. 25, is my 5 year anniversary as a right below-knee amputee.  i can't remember ever having a dream where i was dancing, but if i had, it wouldn't have been a big deal.  i can and do dance in real life, although no better with an expensive, titanium-built prosthetic leg than i did with 2 flesh and bone legs.  i do usually see myself in my dreams still having my 2 whole legs.  That could be seen as an unfulfilled desire or, it could be seen as how i see myself as still a whole person, no different than i was before my leg was amputated. There's only been 1 dream, that i can remember, in which i was an amputee, and it was a dream of me with my Master and little one, at an outdoor festival in a public park and i wasn't wearing my prosthesis and didn't have my crutches nor a wheelchair, so i had to either walk on my knees or scoot on my butt to get around and, i was scooting across the gravel path and grass on my butt, by putting my two hands out in front of me and pulling myself forward, with my 1 1/2 legs sticking straight out in front of me.  People were looking at me and it didn't bother me.  i just kept right on scooting and i was enjoying my time in the park.  Anyone want to take a crack at analyzing this one? For me, fantasies are just my mental recess from reality.  i like to enjoy my fantasies in my mind and, i have no desire to realize them in real life.  That way i can continue to enjoy them to their fullest extent in my imagination.  i think my fantasies are much better and much more fulfilling, the way they play out in my mind, than they would be in real life.  For one thing, they are my creation and i can make them turn out any way i choose, in my mind.  In real life, i would have to find people who would go along with playing things out the way that i see it in my mind.  And, that's very unlikely to ever happen.  Plus, in my fantasies, i always come out OK, no matter what's done to me.  In real life, i know that probably wouldn't be the case.  And, while it might be very exciting to do it in real life, even just one time, not being OK afterward and not being able to enjoy much of anything else ever again would be too high a cost for me.  That just seems, to me, to be a foolish thing to do.  i'm just not that into one-time-only thrills.  i prefer to play my fantasies out, over and over, in the safety, comfort and limitless expanses of my imagination, where anything's possible.  That way, no matter how dirty or messed-over i get, i still come out clean and whole when i'm done. my reality isn't driven by my fantasies but, by what's important to me and how i visualize the way i want my life to be.  i envision my life as being healthy, happy, safe, secure, and comfortable.  And, that's what it is.  Fantasies are a fun diversion for me, from real life but, i prefer reality to fantasy, as far as how i live.  i push my own limits (only with my Master's approval and consent) by simply challenging myself and testing myself in ways that help me to grow in a positive direction. slave joyOwned property of Master David


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

My new journal story: Do Amputees Dream of Dancing
with apologies to Philip Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
has made me think:

Is it our fantasies that drive our realities and push our limits?
or will our fantasies remain always out of reach.

Prinsexx



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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 3:05:38 PM   
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Dear Slavegirljoy:
Thankyou so much for responding to my OP with such clarity and insight. I wrote the title to my story as a parody if you like of Philips Dick's Sci Fi story which formed the basis of the Blade Runner film. I have rarely been inspired tirelessly by a movie but there are a few, not necessarily of a bdsm theme. Blade Runner is certainly one of them and I relaised as i got to the end of the movie that is was because i identified with the character Rachel; a replicant who, because of impanted memories, belives herself to be human, or at least believes that she has no inbuilt deletion date, has a sense of immortality and or a sense of the illusion of her own death.
She is left curled up in bed and simply waits for her lover's return. After intermidable time the first question he asks her as he pulls back the covers is do you love me and her immediate response, without thought for herself is I love you. It is for me a movie which hinges in the beauty of female submission.
In otherwords the hidden questions is do replicants dream of being human....based on the Philip Dick title.
I have had two different types of facial surgery. My inner reality always 'dreamt' and therefore attempted to believe that I was normal. Even after surgery my external behaviour took (and indeed is still taking) some time to catch up with my physical relaity.
Many say i am beautiful but I have no concept of this, in all humility i do not, as being beautiful was never a possibility and i strove instead to be intellectually superior.
I love a man who is an amputee. i love him very much in a different way than any other man. That is because i recognise a sincereity and leck of narcissism in him which i have not encountered before in previous relationships.
i recognise him as being , I think, psychologically stronger even than I. WE had a banter by email before we met about Blade runner. HE identified with the Replicant in Blade Runner who meets with his in bulit obsolecence with the line: time to die. My man thought and was obsessed with the possibility of suicide as a way out of his pain before he made the CHOICE to have his leg amputated.
I think in both the original sci fi story the word 'dream' is used to mean a sort of involuntary wish fulfilment....that would have been in keeping with that era's take on the role of dreaming during what was essentially a Fruedian approach. Involuntary dreams fulfill those wishes that reality does not enable us to.
My sleeping dreams are rarely wish fulfilments as I tend to keep pushing my life more and more towards the actuality of my fantasies, Although i do also understand that fantasies will always be edgier, are easier to 'set-up' than scenes or play but I also know that there are some waking fantasies that will forever remain exactly that and perhaps those are the most rewarding.
My journal story was just a meandering in and out of three or four time periods which Rachel in Blade Runner also does. She doesn't and will never know which are false or true memories and this is what makes her 'life' work.
I also don't draw the distinction because I cannot between false and recovered memories and that is the one thing that helps me most creatively.
My man is away and I didn't ask where or why. i suppose that is because I have allowed a level of trust usually missing. i love him more because he is who he is is than because of whom is might want to pretend to be.
I think he has a clearer distinction between who he is in reality and how he wants to aspire and make his life better than i do and i am the so-called professional in this. Your post gives me that impression also and I thankyou for it.
Just one last thing in this (apology) long response.
Sometimes on going down into subspace I cross what i call a self-conscious barrier and sometimes my shame about my physical appearance (especially my face) will trigger me. In that small moment of self rejection i reject letting go of self into that delicious sub space.
Does this ever happen to you?
Thanks for listening.
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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 3:22:10 PM   
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With primitive drives within us,
We must dance in order to be,
Blending lament and elation,
We become wild--and forever free..

                      Jamie Sams
                           quoted from her book   Earth Harmony
                       "ancestors ways of harmony for many moons"
                

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 3:57:55 PM   
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With primitive drives within us,
We must dance in order to be,
Blending lament and elation,
We become wild--and forever free..

                     Jamie Sams
                           quoted from her book   Earth Harmony
                       "ancestors ways of harmony for many moons"
                


beautiful thankyou.............

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 9:16:17 PM   
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Hi Prinnie, Thank you for your reply.  i guess i have to rent Blade Runner, so i can see what it is all about.  i do understand what you mean by the struggle that your man went through, with thoughts of suicide and having to make the choice to undergo an amputation.  The doctors told me that they couldn't cut off my leg, unless i asked them to, because i didn't have a "life-threatening" condition that required an amputation.  They said it was a quality of life issue.  But, really, it was a life-threatening condition because the excruciating pain of my injured ankle and lower leg and the inability to stand or walk unaided was so debilitating to me and it caused me to consider ending my own life, just to end the pain.  In fact, i found out how it's possible for an animal to chew off its own foot, in order to be free from a trap.  i would have done the same thing, if i hadn't had medical relief available to me, in order to get out of the trap of pain that i was in.   For more than a decade, i constantly struggled with the thought of having to ask for an amputation, to the point where it was never really out of my mind.  When i did finally say the words, "i want my leg cut off" to a doctor, i ended up having to repeat it to at least a half a dozen different doctors and medical personnel.  But, thinking about the thought of having to ask for an amputation was much worse than actually going through with it, at least for me.  i had no idea how i was going to live as an amputee or how i would be able to do things, like take a shower or drive a car or even how to put on a pair of pants or what kinds of shoes i could wear.  Also, being a single mom, i wondered how i was going to be able to take care of my little ones, without help.  Hopefully, your man is in a much better place, both physically and emotionally, now that he has gotten past the struggle of facing amputation.  i know i am.  Not only am i now without the pain i had before, i am also not having to deal with the emotional stress of fearing the unknown of how my life would be as an amputee.  It's great that you have an understanding and appreciation for what your man has had to deal with. After the amputation was done and i got a good prosthetic and i learned how to wear it and walk in it and i was free of pain, i had to deal with the thought of "what man would ever want me now?"  After all, i was "damaged goods", permanently damaged.  i wasn't going to ever grow a new leg.  my body was scarred and i had to walk around with a metal rod sticking out from below my knee or, nothing at all, where a leg and foot should be.  Luckily, i found a Master who doesn't see my scars and missing leg as anything bad.  It's just part of who i am, just as my freckles are and my laugh lines are.  He doesn't see me as 'disabled' and He makes sure that i take good care of my leg and get the medical care i need to stay healthy.  He has made me feel sexy and desirable and that has helped me to feel stronger and more confident. For me, it wasn't a matter of using my dream-state or fantasy images to change my views about how i look at myself or how others see me.  Instead, i made a conscious decision to improve my self-image by adjusting the way i look at myself.  i stopped looking for the flaws and, started looking for the beauty that makes me, me.  i started to feel good about looking at myself, in terms of who i am, a 51 y.o., freckled, amputee woman, with my own unique beauty, rather than looking at myself, in terms of what i wish i looked like, which would just make me feel bad for falling short of that image.  i learned to accept my body, the way it is, with the help of my Master, which was a struggle for a long time and, i stopped looking at myself in negative terms.  i wish every woman could look at herself without comparing herself to some artificial standard of beauty that few, if anyone, actually fits.  In my opinion, it's the unique qualities of our "flaws" that make us beautiful in our own special way.  i credit my Master with not allowing me to feel self-conscious about my body.  He enjoys my body, the way it is.  He even loves the way my stump starts to twitch and jump when i get sexually excited and when i am being whipped good.  i do love the way i lose myself in subspace and feel like i'm having a near outer-body experience.  It's a very nice feeling. slave joyOwned property of Master David


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Dear Slavegirljoy:
Thankyou so much for responding to my OP with such clarity and insight. I wrote the title to my story as a parody if you like of Philips Dick's Sci Fi story which formed the basis of the Blade Runner film. I have rarely been inspired tirelessly by a movie but there are a few, not necessarily of a bdsm theme. Blade Runner is certainly one of them and I relaised as i got to the end of the movie that is was because i identified with the character Rachel; a replicant who, because of impanted memories, belives herself to be human, or at least believes that she has no inbuilt deletion date, has a sense of immortality and or a sense of the illusion of her own death.
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My man thought and was obsessed with the possibility of suicide as a way out of his pain before he made the CHOICE to have his leg amputated.
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Sometimes on going down into subspace I cross what i call a self-conscious barrier and sometimes my shame about my physical appearance (especially my face) will trigger me. In that small moment of self rejection i reject letting go of self into that delicious sub space.
Does this ever happen to you?
Thanks for listening.
Prinnie

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/25/2007 9:19:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

My new journal story: Do Amputees Dream of Dancing
with apologies to Philip Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
has made me think:

Is it our fantasies that drive our realities and push our limits?
or will our fantasies remain always out of reach.

Prinsexx




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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/26/2007 1:50:28 AM   
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Desire is the root of all suffering,to end suffering-end desire.


Ah, but what sweet suffering it can be, the fulfillment of a dark desire.

And what a fascinating and delicious contradiction it is, to be a Buddhist pervert.

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/26/2007 5:32:51 AM   
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 i wish every woman could look at herself without comparing herself to some artificial standard of beauty that few, if anyone, actually fits. 





Thankyou so very much

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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/26/2007 5:34:01 AM   
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And what a fascinating and delicious contradiction it is, to be a Buddhist pervert.


yes rather better than being a perverted Buddhist


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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/26/2007 4:20:32 PM   
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You're welcome...and thank you for sharing your thoughts..
smiles
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RE: Do amputees dream of dancing? - 9/26/2007 4:42:53 PM   
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Thanks so much for sharing  some of your courageous story/journey..  I am moved by your words.  truly...
 

 
 

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