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Bull,
While I understand whole heartedly your desire to stand up for your "peeps", i think you're misunderstanding the frustration that you are hearing in peoples posts. I dont think anyone is actually upset at the warriors who are out their doing their best, they're upset at the situation. This war has created more amputees then the civil war did, back when teh answer to a gun shot was:
"Um... his arm was shot, whatdo i do?"
:shrugs: "Maybe we should cut it off, at least that way we can control the wound" :
nods: "Yea, good idea, give him that bottle of JD and hand me that hacksaw!"
We have more amputees because of the way this war is faught, with so many explosions, despite the medical care we have available today that wasnt available during the civil war. We have more folks coming home with shell shock, PTSD and other very serious emotional pains but our governement isnt equiped to HELP them. They just don't put as much care into our men and women after they come home, if you catch my meaning.
Greetings Sachiaiko,
While I concur with you in great measure that our warriors should be tendered to in much greater degree. The VA and it's Hopitals are political agendas at best. The politicians and our nations well to do only care about them when they are trying to quell the tide of the natives when they are annoyed. I for one would love to see a push to better reward and care for the warriors of this nation.
While I can appriciate your comments about Civil War Health care, there is also a realized notion or perhaps fact, that many of our amputees of today would have been deaths in even WWII. So that would explain the larger number, but again that doesn't help a man deal with his newfound loss. Many may feel less the man as a result and with technoligy what it is, why do we not have a concerted effort for the developement of top notch robotic limbs and such. So as you you see I have also pondered on these topics. I also agree that our NATION, not just administration has fell short on facing the truths.
But again, the war is now a reality, we can't loose our stomach now because it got hard, we need to become inovative and more efficient, and not just as our Armies, but also our homeland. The world is no longer that place where we could hide behind great Oceans. To bury your head in the sand and hope it will go away won't fix it.
We must first find leaders that aren't lead and enfluenced by greed and power. (I know that will be close to impossible in itself, but that's what we have to do) We must hold ourselves accountable as men and a nation. We have responsibilities like it or not. Our word and honor has to matter to us. If not, this and future problems with those that think they can disrupt our nation enough to take advantage of it for their own gain will be on our doorstep time and again.
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One can argue all day long that we aren't in washington, and how dare we judge what we couldn't possibly know. Well, we are talking about he group of people who said "Waterboarding" *wasn't* torture. Have you been waterboarded recently? Yes, its torture, sorry folks! The truth is this war isnt gonna be won the way we're fighting it. I personally have some one dear to me, a submissive, who is fighting in a war right now in Iraq who got in under the belief they would help him with school. Sadly, after some research, i found out that you have almost 80 percent BETTER odds of getting school paid for by grants and scholarships as a private cit than you do in the military, which doesnt actually give you enough to finish HALF of a degree *yes, really, and that's something they lie about regularly to young recruits to get them to join up. As happened to my fella.*
Its time to STOP blindly applauding a governement who is sending our young warriors off to die, without hope of help, support, care or financial gain when they get home. The guys over their fighting for private company make 5 times what our warriors make, *5* times or more! Hello!
How about a novel approach for once. We're in this war. Children in a country that didn't ask us to invade are in MORTAL danger. We can cut and run and then turn off our nightly news when they show the horrible scenes of men, women and children being murdered, and worse. We can pretend they would have done that whether we were there or not. We can pretend that it is their history and we had no part in it, which perhaps we don't, but we have a future in it. And it moves well beyond some damn barrel of oil. We have a chance to get it right this time or just tuck tail and run again.
Now here's my not so novel new approach. Let's protest the corruption within our own government. Let's vote the good ole boys out. Let's reclaim the country that Ben, George, John and a host of others left in OUR charge.
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okay, lets stop and think for a minute. Iraq is a tiny country - its about the size of an average state, right? Maybe as big as Washington state. Imagine how many of our troops are there in such a small place, and how this war is being faught? how can they beat these tactics? It doesnt work.
I personally a proud to say that i support our troops - I do NOT support this war. I couldn't support the war if i supported our troops. They need to come home, Bull.
As for the rest of you, while you may be right in the basis of what you're saying, you do it with such flippant ease that men like Bull who have personal experience feel slighted, despite the fact it was not a personal slight to him. Its always good to remember, the troopers and men and woman who are over there ARE heros cause they are fighting a war they cant win, put their by a governement that the majority of them dont even agree with even if they once did to begin with, they are simply doing the best with a shitty situation - like those troopers who helped that man.
Just remember, when you speak in a manner which may be percieved as negative towards our troops you will get a poor response, whether that was your intention or not. The war sucks, but the majority of the guys over their are doing their best. They need our support, and even if they never read this thread, the energy of what you say affects them, i believe that whole heartedly, so focus on possitive energy, like bringing them home to their families and loved ones.
Be well, folks.
Thanks for your support for the warriors of our nation. I think its time we did a little more warrior like work here at home. The biggest enemies lives within each of us.....Appathy, ignorance, greed and vanity.
Live well,
Bull
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