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NefertariReborn -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/21/2007 9:20:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm starting to feel sorry for Obama.  His own kind are now upset because they don't feel he's "black enough". 
What exactly does "not black enough" mean?


i was in college when a black friend of mine said i wasn't "black enough" to be black because i spoke properly and conducted myself in a manner she wasn't used to. basically she said i was "too white" for my own race.  today, i still get the same comments from my neighbors - i'm looked upon as being uppity or white because of the way i raise my UMs.  it's sad.



Thank you.  I thought that is what it might have been referring to.  I just wanted to be sure.  I tell you- his own is going to make it very difficult for him to succeed in life if he is constantly being measured by his lack of ebonics :/
 
(and thank you for being you :)


Ebonics is the measure of being black?  When did this start?  How come no one informed the negroes???  Do the quadroons know because they're not black enough?  I'm calling Jesse for a march.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 6:30:04 AM)

in my experience, if you talk proper without the use of cursing and/or slang/ebonics, then some in the black community see you as a "wannabe white" black and will ostracize you immediately.  on the flip side, if you can speak the latest jive/ebonics lingo, then you're considered to be one of them.

my oldest UM is experiencing this in her HS first hand - she's one of a handful of students who aren't black in a black majority school (trust me, there's only 5 of them). the first 2 weeks of school, she was labeled "white girl" because of her very fair skin and the way she speaks in class - proper and with manners. a male student was suspended from school because he wrote racial statements about my oldest on her desk. she gets it worse from the female population however she doesn't let it bother her most days ...yet i can tell it does.

my youngest UM is gradually experiencing the same not from her friends in the K-class but from their parents ..."oh your daughter has pretty skin ...she has such pretty hair ...." etc etc.  many equate (at this age) fair skin being the prettiest of them all especially since she's in the 10% that isn't black at her school.  plus they are amazed that for her age she's speaking proper english with an unlimited vocabulary.




Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 7:54:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

What do you think Rush Limbaugh is saying/thinking/meaning,when he calls Obama a "halfrican"? 

What a cute name for Rush to make up and spread.

Sounds a bit like racism to me.



In all seriousness, how many hours a day do you spend learning the latest drivel from the mouths of Rush, Coulter, and the rest?

http://zenguide.com/zenmedia/index.cfm?id=18



In all seriousness? No.But I`m complimented, that it seems that way.Thanks.

One does need to listen long,before it`s obvious how bigoted Rush is.

I do carpentry,and the radio`s always on.After listening to every song,eight times a day,I would dial to the AM side,to listen to the train-wreck radio that right-wingers did.Bob Grant was  very entertaining,especially right before he got fired for saying something really stupid,after Ron Brownwas killed in a plane crash.

I was listening to Rush`s show,when he 1st came on WABC,more than 20 years ago.I remember when he did ads for Snapple Soda(his earliest days).



When I surf the dial,I stop in to see what he`s up to.Keeping my "enemies closer",so to speak.I don`t focus or pay more attention on Rush,than that.BTW,when Clinton 1st won,and then the 2nd time,Rush was the most entertain fella,EVER.He was doing back flips,and having conniptions.The best radio I`ve heard.

For years now,Rush ,and the right wing media/leadership of every kind,coordinate their message,and form "talking points",which every right-wing broadcaster repeats,creating an echo chamber.

The "Wednesday Morning Meeting",as it`s called,is attended(in person or by vid-conference) by White House staff,Roger Ailes of Fox News,Newt Gingrich,republican congressional leaders,Rush,Ann Coulter,Robert Novak,etc.,etc.,etc.
Around a hundred of the right-wing media elite,planing,shaping,coordinating,and all getting on the same page.



The Daily show does a good job of showing this,by making very funny montages of the clips,with every person saying the same thing,word for word,over and over.It`s almost "Orwellian".

It all sounds like what they accuse the left of doing,(ie,the left-wing media conspiracy crap),onlt it`s exactly what the right-wingers are doing.

This "media coordination" has caused a great deal of damage.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800983.html

http://www.opednews.com/droubay_090504_warlords.htm

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_402.html





Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 7:59:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

in my experience, if you talk proper without the use of cursing and/or slang/ebonics, then some in the black community see you as a "wannabe white" black and will ostracize you immediately.  on the flip side, if you can speak the latest jive/ebonics lingo, then you're considered to be one of them.

my oldest UM is experiencing this in her HS first hand - she's one of a handful of students who aren't black in a black majority school (trust me, there's only 5 of them). the first 2 weeks of school, she was labeled "white girl" because of her very fair skin and the way she speaks in class - proper and with manners. a male student was suspended from school because he wrote racial statements about my oldest on her desk. she gets it worse from the female population however she doesn't let it bother her most days ...yet i can tell it does.

my youngest UM is gradually experiencing the same not from her friends in the K-class but from their parents ..."oh your daughter has pretty skin ...she has such pretty hair ...." etc etc.  many equate (at this age) fair skin being the prettiest of them all especially since she's in the 10% that isn't black at her school.  plus they are amazed that for her age she's speaking proper english with an unlimited vocabulary.


I have a theory,and I can defend it,that Ebonics was a joke/stunt/prank,created to piss off the "Kwanzaa haters".lol

And it worked like a charm.Getting people upset,and talking about it.

I`m sure the pranksters got a huge laugh,.




Alumbrado -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 7:59:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


In all seriousness? No.But I`m complimented, that it seems that way.Thanks.

One does need to listen long,before it`s obvious how bigoted Rush is.

I do carpentry,and the radio`s always on.After listening to every song,eight times a day,I would dial to the AM side,to listen to the train-wreck radio that right-wingers did.Bob Grant was  very entertaining,especially right before he got fired for saying something really stupid,after Ron Brownwas killed in a plane crash.

I was listening to Rush`s show,when he 1st came on WABC,more than 20 years ago.I remember when he did ads for Snapple Soda(his earliest days).



When I surf the dial,I stop in to see what he`s up to.Keeping my "enemies closer",so to speak.I don`t focus or pay more attention on Rush,than that.BTW,when Clinton 1st won,and then the 2nd time,Rush was the most entertain fella,EVER.He was doing back flips,and having conniptions.The best radio I`ve heard.




I feel for ya... the music selection on most FM sucketh (Memphis being a bright spot), I tried listening to talk radio but couldn't stand any of it for more than a few minutes.




Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 8:06:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

What do you think Rush Limbaugh is saying/thinking/meaning,when he calls Obama a "halfrican"? 

What a cute name for Rush to make up and spread.

Sounds a bit like racism to me.



In all seriousness, how many hours a day do you spend learning the latest drivel from the mouths of Rush, Coulter, and the rest?

http://zenguide.com/zenmedia/index.cfm?id=18



In all seriousness? No.But I`m complimented, that it seems that way.Thanks.

One does need to listen long,before it`s obvious how bigoted Rush is.

I do carpentry,and the radio`s always on.After listening to every song,eight times a day,I would dial to the AM side,to listen to the train-wreck radio that right-wingers did.Bob Grant was  very entertaining,especially right before he got fired for saying something really stupid,after Ron Brownwas killed in a plane crash.

I was listening to Rush`s show,when he 1st came on WABC,more than 20 years ago.I remember when he did ads for Snapple Soda(his earliest days).



When I surf the dial,I stop in to see what he`s up to.Keeping my "enemies closer",so to speak.I don`t focus or pay more attention on Rush,than that.BTW,when Clinton 1st won,and then the 2nd time,Rush was the most entertain fella,EVER.He was doing back flips,and having conniptions.The best radio I`ve heard.

For years now,Rush ,and the right wing media/leadership of every kind,coordinate their message,and form "talking points",which every right-wing broadcaster repeats,creating an echo chamber.

The "Wednesday Morning Meeting",as it`s called,is attended(in person or by vid-conference) by White House staff,Roger Ailes of Fox News,Newt Gingrich,republican congressional leaders,Rush,Ann Coulter,Robert Novak,etc.,etc.,etc.
Around a hundred of the right-wing media elite,planing,shaping,coordinating,and all getting on the same page.



The Daily show does a good job of showing this,by making very funny montages of the clips,with every person saying the same thing,word for word,over and over.It`s almost "Orwellian".

It all sounds like what they accuse the left of doing,(ie,the left-wing media conspiracy crap),onlt it`s exactly what the right-wingers are doing.

This "media coordination" has caused a great deal of damage.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800983.html

http://www.opednews.com/droubay_090504_warlords.htm

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_402.html





I feel for ya... the music selection on most FM sucketh (Memphis being a bright spot), I tried listening to talk radio but couldn't stand any of it for more than a few minutes.


Try Air America

http://www.airamerica.com/

Lionel,a former Florida prosicuter,is one of the funniest men on the radio.Quick,sharp as a tack,and helps folks understand the law.
http://airamerica.com/lionel/

Left of center,for sure,but they don`t try to hide it,and they`re honest,cuz liberals don`t need to lie,to win  points.




popeye1250 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 8:42:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm starting to feel sorry for Obama.  His own kind are now upset because they don't feel he's "black enough". 
What exactly does "not black enough" mean?


What? "Not Black enough?"
Some people see Abbadabba as "Not White enough."
I thought "race" wasn't supposed to matter anymore?




UR2Badored -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 8:45:37 AM)

Why is it that we never have ANY "happy" Jesse threads?  





Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 8:46:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm starting to feel sorry for Obama.  His own kind are now upset because they don't feel he's "black enough". 
What exactly does "not black enough" mean?


What? "Not Black enough?"
Some people see Abbadabba as "Not White enough."
I thought "race" wasn't supposed to matter anymore?


See?

Why should anyone have to deal with this petty bullshit?

I`m sure it gets old,fast.




Alumbrado -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 8:49:10 AM)

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...Lionel,a former Florida prosicuter


You say that like it's a good thing...[sm=confused.gif]




subtee -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 9:02:11 AM)

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One does need to listen long,before it`s obvious how bigoted Rush is.


I listen to Rush when on road trips. The attendant rage keeps me awake. ("mayga diddows, Rush!")

Seriously, I don't understand why these folks don't lose credibility when their seemingly inevitable hypocracy is brought to light. I'm speaking here of Rush's drug problems, similar to Larry Craig's alleged homosexuality/anti-gay legislative slant. How about Newtie's infidelity on the heels of his orchestration of the impeachment of Bill Clinton because of sexual dalliances?

Democrats are not imume from hypocracy, but it seems to me they are less likely to soapbox their morality in the first place. I'm just saying...




Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 9:03:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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...Lionel,a former Florida prosicuter


You say that like it's a good thing...[sm=confused.gif]


It`s certainly not a bad thing,IMO.
It helps to know that a host ,actually knows the law,and can explain it and have it make sense.

How many rants have you seen,where folk are clueless about hate crime laws,Larry Craig`s gig,OJ,wire tapping,Habeas Corpus,the Jena 6 thing,etc.

As a prosecutor,one knows the law,and the US Constitution.
It`s great to get accurate answers,and insights about the law.

Plus,he`s fuck`n funny.




Owner59 -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 9:08:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

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One does need to listen long,before it`s obvious how bigoted Rush is.


I listen to Rush when on road trips. The attendant rage keeps me awake. ("mayga diddows, Rush!")

Seriously, I don't understand why these folks don't lose credibility when their seemingly inevitable hypocracy is brought to light. I'm speaking here of Rush's drug problems, similar to Larry Craig's alleged homosexuality/anti-gay legislative slant. How about Newtie's infidelity on the heels of his orchestration of the impeachment of Bill Clinton because of sexual dalliances?

Democrats are not imume from hypocracy, but it seems to me they are less likely to soapbox their morality in the first place. I'm just saying...


Yup.But there is an audience that needs their bigoted,regressive,un-American values, validated.

They need their red meat,and Rush delivers.

I listen,for the same reason someone looks at a train-wreck.There`s a lot to see.

As for drug use,I heard Rush say the most ugly things about Jerry Garcia,when he died.Was I surprised that Rush was addicted to 'hillbilly heroin,and lost his hearing from it?Nope.Rush defines hypocrisy  and neo-conservatism,all at once.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 10:33:42 AM)

Hmmm..

Let me get this straight....

Obama is not black enough so vote for the white woman?

Sounds like democrat logic to me.




Alumbrado -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 10:58:30 AM)

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I heard Rush say the most ugly things about Jerry Garcia



You say that like its a bad thing...[8D]




Sanity -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 11:16:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
As for drug use,I heard Rush say the most ugly things about Jerry Garcia,when he died.Was I surprised that Rush was addicted to 'hillbilly heroin,and lost his hearing from it?Nope.Rush defines hypocrisy  and neo-conservatism,all at once.


You know, I can see how a guy can be a drug addict, and hate addiction itself, as well as all the trappings, all at the same time - without being a hypocrite, as you claim. Or an alcoholic. Or any number of other things...




subtee -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 11:32:36 AM)

Yes, I agree, hate the addiction, but so wrong, IMO, to be hatin on people who are engaged in the same thing at the same time.




Sanity -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 11:51:16 AM)

You know I've smoked a lot of grass
O' Lord, I've popped a lot of pills
But I never touched nothin'
That my spirit could kill
You know, I've seen a lot of people walkin' 'round
With tombstones in their eyes
But the pusher don't care
Ah, if you live or if you die

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, I say The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
With the love grass in his hand
Oh but the pusher is a monster
Good God, he's not a natural man
The dealer for a nickel
Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
Lord, he'll leave your, he'll leave your mind to scream

God damn, The Pusher
God damn, God damn the Pusher
I said God damn, God, God damn The Pusher man

Well, now if I were the president of this land
You know, I'd declare total war on The Pusher man
I'd cut him if he stands, and I'd shoot him if he'd run
Yes I'd kill him with my Bible and my razor and my gun

God damn The Pusher
Gad damn The Pusher
I said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

(Steppenwolf)




subtee -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 12:08:34 PM)

With respect:

I hit the city and
I lost my band
I watched the needle
take another man
Gone, gone, the damage done.

I sing the song
because I love the man
I know that some
of you don't understand
Milk-blood
to keep from running out.

I've seen the needle
and the damage done
A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie's
like a settin' sun.


(Neil Young)




UR2Badored -> RE: jesse is mad... (9/22/2007 12:11:47 PM)

A long, long time ago.........oops sorry.
(Don McLean)




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