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gentletigress -> Submissive, or Dominant? (9/17/2007 10:45:12 PM)

Hello A/all who read this, I hope I can recieve good advice.

I have been going back and forth about whether or not I see myself as submissive or Dominant. There are certain aspects of my desires that I see myself as submissive i.e. being "in my place", "at His feet" , and "wanting to please Him." However there are many other aspects of my desires that note me as a dominant person, i.e. "Wanting it My way" , and "Wanting someone to look up to Me."

I am Bipolar, which is basically having menopause on steroids,(or at least it is to me,) and this causes me to become angry or depressed or other moods within a second or two from the previous moment.

So, how can I tell which road to take? I have called myself a switch before, but I really dont like it because it seems to wishy washy to me. This question is stupid but is there a relient quiz you can take to see?

I am currently in a relationship where I am the slave to a Master. I do not feel that He is the best for me any longer, because I feel that I have not grown at all in the lifestyle since meeting Him. 

I cannot discuss this issue with Him because He does not listen. In my mind and thoughts, he has never considered what I want or need, whether in the lifestyle or otherwise. He has a fit anytime I request anything of Him. He has not trained me one day since I met Him. for the past two years (to the day) we have lived in a 7*12 room, He has not been able to keep a job, and has never shown interest in helping me finish my schooling for my highschool diploma (had to drop out because of my bipolarism.)

So here is where I ask for help. I need advice. I am ready to leave this relationship and move on with my life. Unfortunatly,  I have no funds to leave here and return to Texas or someplace else.

Thank you for reading.




RRafe -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/17/2007 11:05:32 PM)

I'm happily nuetral.

Think outside of the box.




SusanofO -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/17/2007 11:40:18 PM)

Why can't you be a Switch? I am, and it seems it might solve your dilemma. It is only "wishy-washy" IMO, if someone doesn't know how to separate the two roles, so they are Dominant when they are partners with a sub (and only Dominant), and submissive (and only submissive) when they are with a Dominant.

Any Dominant who knows I am a Switch (and I tell any upfront) has always been willing for me to see a sub male on the side, to satisfy any Dominant needs I have (and ditto for the sub male - they've said they don't mind if I see a Dominant once in awhile). Granted one partner or the other is usually the primary partner, but as long as they realize you have other needs, and are willing to work with you to see they are met, IMO, it doesn't have to cause a problem.   

Do you have much personal evidence that you yourself, simply cannot achieve this? In my experience, it's not difficult if you are even halfway turned on by your partner, and want them to enjoy the scene as much as you are. Unless you are fully convinced that you simppy haven't the capacity at all to do this, I suggest experimenting with trying it again, to make sure.

IMO, if someone truly feels inclined in both directions, the idea they should have to choose one orientation, simply to satisfy a potential pool of partners is, IMO, ridiculous. People who don't like Switches will stay away from you, and so what? Do you want them anyway?

I've found no shortage of potential partners being a Switch. How many "potentials" do you need? Hundreds? Or will ten to twenty do? Because you will get mail from probably that many folks (maybe lots more, like fifty) who simply won't care that you're a Switch.

How many partners do you intend to have at once, if losing potential partners due to declaring yourself a Switch is a concern? I know I can only see one person at a time (two at the most, as what I'd consider a primary partner in the sense I want to spend lots of time with them) - otherwise, things get confusing and way too hectic for me in my personal life.

There are some Switches who can and don't mind (and in fact want) their partner to "switch roles" within the same scene. I have done this (once), but in my experience, the people who want that circumstance all the time (or even part of the time) are pretty rare.

P.S. I concluded I was actually a Switch when I realized that I truly spent about half of my "fantasizing time" re: BDSM thinking about being a Domme, even though at that point I'd never yet acted on my fantasies. Most female subs I know don't ever, ever have these kinds of fantasies at all.

I still have plenty of submissive fantasies, though. I consider myself a real, true Switch - not someone "progressing toward full-time Domme". I still really enjoy being a femsub, too.

But I generally stay completely away from expecting a sub male to "Dom" me in any way, or for a Dominant  man to be submissive (or even concerned with "equality" for me), in a relationship.

I don't think it's fair to ask a partner to do these kinds of things, unless they are a Switch as well (and they also want to do it).

One other thing that crossed my mind, though: Are you really "Wanting it your way" because you want to control the scene almost fully, a lot of the time?

Or was that this last Master simply telling you you are that way (because he is trying to change the way you behave as his submissive, but you still actually feel submissive a lot of the time, if not most of the time, toward him,) in reality?If he is, IMO insinuating by it that you are a "brat", somehow, maybe you aren't actually a Domme.

Way (IMO) to tell better if you are: Do you fantasize about controlling the BDSM scene generally, or is it just particular little things you do, that he considers "topping from the bottom" he get s annoyed with?  because to me, statements like this can be very relative. To me, a key way to tell would be your fantasies in general. In them, are you a Domme much of the time? If so, but if you also still have many (or some) femsub fantasies, then maybe you really are a Switch.

Because there is no comparison, and the two mind-sets ("brat" or someome who occasioanlly "tops from the bottom" or attempts it Switch) are very different kettles of fish, IMO.

The other possibility is that you are a femsub bottom (someone who wants to be submissive ina scene, but has no desire for a D/s relationship, really, as a femsub with a Dom being in charge, outside of a scene).

I don't see any of these possibilities as "bad" or "good" - simply as choices. And you can identify which one might fit you best. They can change over time, too (I didn't always identify as a Switch, but IMO, that was mostly due to a lack of experience and self-knowledge). I think I will remian a Switch (the evidence is there, for me) but if not, I won't jump off a tall building with disapppointment.

- Susan




HollyBlue -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/17/2007 11:50:04 PM)

GentleTigress, without knowing either of you, and based on what you've said in your post:

I've not heard of a quiz, but it sounds like the biggest issue you're facing is not your D/s orientation, but your unfulfilling relationship. If you're with a "Dom" who hasn't taught you, trained you, or helped you explore your submissiveness, then it may be too early for you to figure out whether you're a switch, or just a very unsatisfied submissive who's getting (understandably) cranky.

I would encourage you to take charge of your life for the time being; it sounds like the guy you are with has lost the trust required to be in charge of your life any longer. I would recommend doing whatever it takes to get away from him as soon as possible. You can leave him without leaving the state, for now, if you have no funds. If he's not working, are you supporting both of you? If so, you can probably support yourself.

As for being a switch, I don't think it's wishy-washy at all...I think it just applies to some people who are capable of enjoying both ends of the D/s spectrum.

However, I'm extremely submissive and not at all Dominant, and my gut tells me this may be the case with you as well. Your feelings of wanting to be "looked up to" may be a submissive's feelings of wanting to be adored and taken care of. Regardless, you can't find yourself very easily if you're having to constantly deal with someone who sounds like he's not really a good Dom -- just dead weight.

Also, subs who are Bipolar or have other medical issues require special care, and a Dom who is responsible enough to see that you take care of yourself regardless of what our mood state may be at any given time. This may require some adjustments to the lifestyle (such as regular bedtimes, or not scening if you're in a certain emotional state), but it's no reason you can't be happy, especially if your disorder is being adequately treated and monitored by a mental health professional, and you yourself are following your treatment plan and living the healthiest lifestyle possible.




SusanofO -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 12:51:26 AM)

 I guess my question would be to you: What is your idea of a Domme?

What is your idea of a femsub (female submissive)?

Do you have fantasies re: Filling both of these roles?

Because IMO, I'd hate to see your experience with one person (who might not have been the world's best Dom, from what you've said), allow you to determine your future and forever, BDSM role(s).

He can't "tell you what you are". You decide that - it can change, but it comes from inside mostly ,IMO.

For instance, I am sure your Master could probably ask a Domme to be a femsub for him for any evening. Go read the "Ask a Mistress" forum for a half hour, and tell me then how you really think that would work out for him...(HA!).

Also, IMO he couldn't ask a bona-fide femsub-only to just "become a Domme" for him (just because he wants it). It is an orientation. As is being a real Switch.

Don't let anyone tell you what you are. You discover that for yourself, via your fantasies and feelings - not someone's projections on you, which might be due to their own frustrations with what they think a "true" femsub should act like.

Maybe he's right - and it's also possible he could be wrong - if he's saying "You want it your way" always must mean you are therefore a Domme. Maybe it's an indicator (check yor fantasies first, though, if relying mostly in his perceptions to answer this question for yourself, thus far).

Reason? He isn't you - and it really is that simple. He is not inside your head. He might have ideas for you to think over - but don't let his opinion be the final word, regarding this matter. It is much too important a question, IMO. You have a right to determine your own BDSM orientation, no matter what anyone's opinions are, period.

Good luck. And have fun!!![:)] Don't worry too much about being Bi-polar (except you'll need a partner who knows you are, and can deal with the idea. I think if someone takes their meds it is just no big deal at all). I see plenty of evidence this does not need to prevent a satisfying D/s BDSM relationship.  


Re: Your other question re your current Master. IMO - Leave him, he isn't helping you grow, or even enjoy the relationship. It sounds icky to be in it. I'd vamoose asap. I wouldn't be nasty about it, just say you need some time alone, and don't want to be in a relationship now - you have too many personal things you need to decide first (which is true, actually, IMO.)

*If he gets violent or you think he well might, (or have reason to believe he will), because you want to "move on" - have a place to live (or an escape plan  completely ready to execute) - before you mention you are leaving. And if he does get violent, then call the police when you tell him, if he starts being that way (or threatens to do it). Or before,and let them escort you out the door.

If you have no money to move - ask a relative or good friend (or several) for a loan (and make re-payment terms, and keep them). But - get out, as soon as you can. 

Or - Unless he controls all of your life nd time (all aspects of it), and-or won't let you work - get a temp job as a factory worker, or office temp for 2-3 weeks. That would be at least $6-800, probably. Even if you'd need to give him say, $150 of it, it's enough to get out, rent a really, really cheapo apartment or room somewhere, until you can afford better. Or work temp for 5-6 weeks, first, and save more money. If you do this, I suggest no giving him access to any of your money- savings or checking account numbers, etc.

Or, try both of these options at once. But - in any case - make a financial escape plan of some sort. Now

I know there are poeple, who would suggest couple's counselling, etc - but IMO if the other person really isn't "on board" with that, it's doomed - don't waste the time. And your time is valuable. IMO you could be having a much better time.[:)]
 Right? Good luck.

-
Susan




SusanofO -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 1:31:52 AM)

Darn it, my post timed out. Anyway, I was just gonna say: Good luck - you can do this. It might not be a piece of cake - but it doesn't have to be next to impossible, either. Lots of people do it all the time. You can do it. Good luck, sweetie.
 
- Susan




Aneirin -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 1:39:19 AM)

Labels are so restricting, why feel the need to attach a label. Why not just be yourself and enjoy being yourself. Those desires in both directions you have are in my mind normal, I am much the same, (and I am normal,'honest'), :)

Perhaps find a partner who is just interested, perhaps someone like yourself, learn to trust each other and grow together exploring the different facets together. Perhaps the stronger and most comfortable role will shine through, in it's time.

Aneirin




xoxi -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 1:54:41 AM)

Why yes, there is a test:
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/17087009069081945964/Where-Are-You-on-a-D-s-Scale

And here is one to tell if you are a sub or a bottom or both:
http://www.okcupid.com/tests/11747945660806295159/female-submission

All joking aside, it seems like you're in a shitty relationship.  Your orientation is something you need to figure out on your own, but I don't think that it's so black and white that you are either Sub, Dom/me, or Switch, no overlap, and that ALL subs are the same and can submit to ALL Dom/mes.

But really...don't you have a friend you can stay with for a couple weeks to get on your feet?  If I had my own place I would let you crash here...seriously...shitty relationships are no joke.  There are also plenty of womens shelters - if you want advice on that I can help you find one :)  They aren't so bad - I've stayed in similar places when I was younger.  And they're definitely better than living with a disrespectful creep.




Stephann -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 3:57:16 AM)

Strong willed submissive who has a good few years of getting to know herself a lot better, before she's ready to dive in as deeply into a collar as she'd like.

Nostradamus




Cyntilating -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 4:19:43 AM)

Gentletigress
 
..others have already made some important comments about
   bi-polar....labels....
 
 You have described your current relationship as being with someone who isn't the one in control.....certainly he doesnt have your respect, or trust that he has your best interest in mind...apparently isnt in control of his own life or self ( according to some of your comments about him ) >.
 
yet, you are basing YOUR reaction ( submission or lack there of) to him and to it (his dominance or lack there of) in the effort to define what it is you feel is right for you ..
 
like eating an apple to decide whether or not you prefer/like oranges....
you wont know if oranges are your preference until you eat an orange
 
dominance and submission is reflective and reactionary..
 
If I  (a submissive woman ) am in a relationship where there is no control from another> I will be the one in control..
why?  not because Im NOT submisssive...but because I am capable and "somebody has to be!(in control)"  so I will step up..
not my preference...but I will do it.  Did it for tons of years when I had to...
 
having said that> I also agree with the person who suggested not getting stuck in the whole" label me" thing...
 
find your most genuine self.....and dont worry about the category it fits into ( need to take my own advice sometimes lol )
 
smiles
 




arayofsunshine55 -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 4:37:05 AM)

Well it doesn't sound like you like the guy much.  Or have much respect for him.  Not sure if he deserves that.  But it is how you feel so do something about that.  If you are a take charge kinda gal then take charge of your life, get what you want.  Now I don't buy that is has to be his job to grow you in the "lifestyle".   You could take responsibility for that yourself. 

Not sure if you're a switch or just unhappy.  I'd take care of your life stuff first and not worry too much about the labels.

I don't find being a switch to be wishy washy at all, although I guess for some it could be.  But then I also don't think this is about my "personality", rather about what I enjoy and what gets me off.




Lashra -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 4:43:47 AM)

I am Dominant of that there is no question. You do sound like a switch to me and why you find the term "wishy washy" I am not sure. There is nothing wrong in being a switch, many people are switches, probably moreso then most will admit too.  But only YOU know what you truly are no one else can figure that out for you. It could be that you are a subsmissive that likes to top occasionally.

Now as to your current Master, it sounds like his comfortable living as is and may not have a desire to change. The fact that he can't hold a job makes me wonder how the both of you manage to live. To me these are red flags and your statement regarding your feelings says to me that you are ready to move onto something better.

I would suggest getting away from him and work on yourself BEFORE getting into another relationship. You have to have yourself together before getting involved with someone else regardless if your Dom/sub/switch, otherwise you run the risk of never improving things.

Good luck,
~Lashra




Bobkgin -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 4:53:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gentletigress

I am Bipolar, which is basically having menopause on steroids,(or at least it is to me,) and this causes me to become angry or depressed or other moods within a second or two from the previous moment.


Seems to me you need to take care of this first.

With the woman I knew who was bipolar, Lithium made a dramatic difference for her.

Trouble is, I have difficulty imagining a domme being responsible for her sub when her mood can swing from one minute to the next.

My advice: get treatment for your condition and then reconsider what you are seeking.




DomN8USlave -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 10:17:58 AM)

I agree with SusanofO.  I am also a switch, and although hesitant to become one, I'm glad that Master pushed me to explore my potentials.  As long as you can differentiate in your mind submissiveness and dominance, then it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.  Switch is not a "wishy-washy" term.  A switch, IMHO, means that person KNOWS what and who they are and are strong because of it.

Good luck in your situation.




teamnoir -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 5:19:31 PM)

I don't identify as a switch either, for different reasons.

However, I top, I bottom, I dom, and I sub - not necessarily in that order.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 6:01:03 PM)

Guess that makes me all kinds of wishy washy then :)

What you need to look towards is what sort of dynamics do you want set up on a day to day basis in your personal intimate relationships?  It's not about what you DO, it's how things are structured.  It's not about your personality- it's about your orientation.

And ultimately, don't worry about it.  You've got enough fucked up in your life, simply having a healthy fulfilling relationship is a big accomplishment, don't confuse it by needing labels and then needing external approval of your labels.




feastie -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 6:02:02 PM)

To the OP ...

I currently live with a family member who is bipolar, along with a few other things.  A lot of what you're feeling can be contributed directly with your mood swings.  You haven't mentioned if you're on any medications or under a doctor's care, if not, then I strongly suggest that you make arrangements to get medical care.  If you are, and you're cycling a great deal, then you probably need an adjustment in your dosage or a different medication.  This must be your first priority.  Bipolarism can too quickly get out of control and color all aspects of your life.

The man you're with doesn't sound as though he's fit to be with.  Ask relatives for help to get you back home where you can start over.  Once you're on solid ground will be the time to worry about and address your orientation.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 6:22:24 PM)

Gentletigress,
It seems to me your orientation is the least of your concerns right now.  If you Personal Message me, I can discuss a few options available to you in Michigan to help you get back on your feet.

Edited after rethinking my initial overzealous response.






arayofsunshine55 -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 6:45:35 PM)

Most of the switches I know/witness are complete masters/mistresses of their own destiny.




MaamJay -> RE: Submissive, or Dominant? (9/18/2007 7:20:13 PM)

I'll echo others in saying your priorities are much more about getting your bipolarism under control and doing something about the unsatisfying relationship you are in. And you've had some practical suggestions here about dealing with both of those, so I won't repeat them.

Re a switch, I've never considered it wishywashy ... I think of it as getting the best of both worlds, or having your cake and eating it too! I'm beyond being a switch, I'm a Duality in that I function best when both My Dominant and submissive sides are operating together, with a live-in Master and a live-in sub. Not everyone would be able to do that for sure ... and not everyone would want to ... but I'm using it to illustrate that being a switch can go as far as you like. And if you look hard enough you can find someone who will mesh with your kink and how you want to express it. So don't get hung up on labels ... look instead for stable relationships that will feed you, nourish you and encourage you to expand your horizons!

Good luck
Maam Jay aka violet[A]




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