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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/10/2007 7:23:55 PM

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I haven't studied this fellow before. Is he involved in anti-homosexual legislation?

....i was under the impression that Republicans, on the whole, are fond of anti-homosexual rhetoric. However it is just possible that this particular specimen is not......i'm sure there'll be plenty of people here who can quote him one way or the other. However it's not the gay/not gay dynamic that seems to me hypocritical. It's the attempt to hide behind a 'not of sound mind' defence. Would he allow that defence to prisoners in Guantanamo? If not, then he's a hypocrite.

Philosophy, a lot of Democrats are anti-homosexual as well.
I don't know if that is part of either party's platform though.
I kind of doubt it, probably a more individual thing.
I think both Repubs and Dems suck!

Popeye,

Can you name one democrat,who ran on an anti-homosexual position,or sponsored so called "Marriage protection"legislation?

I can name plenty of republicans who have,and who do now.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/10/2007 7:28:02 PM

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There is no doubt the guy will polish a knob but after listening to the tape of his interrogation I believe a little entrapment was in play....bounty

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/10/2007 7:29:55 PM

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Chuck Schummer, Joe Biden, and John Kerry.
Kerry hates homosexuals going back to his days as Lt. Gov in Mass.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/10/2007 8:35:18 PM

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Chuck Schummer, Joe Biden, and John Kerry.
Kerry hates homosexuals going back to his days as Lt. Gov in Mass.

Yet all three men ,support civil unions.Doesn`t sound anti -gay to me.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 8:05:20 AM

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I think both Repubs and Dems suck!

....but only if you ask them nicely? hehehehe

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 11:21:05 AM

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owner, what legistlation creating civil uniouns have they proposed? You said no dems supported the Familly defense act. you were wrong. Bush also says he supports civil unions.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 11:41:43 AM

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Chuck Schummer, Joe Biden, and John Kerry.
Kerry hates homosexuals going back to his days as Lt. Gov in Mass.

Yet all three men ,support civil unions.Doesn`t sound anti -gay to me.

"Support?"
That wouldn't have anything to do with wanting to be RE-ELECTED would it?
Kerry and Kennedy would "support" the KLAN if it would get them re-elected!
It's called "political expediency."
Kennedy's father was a Nazi sympathiser.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 1:17:52 PM

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I think both Repubs and Dems suck!

Isn't this exactly what's getting them in trouble?

Clinton + blowjob = loss of respect
Craig + solicitation = loss of respect

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 6:26:08 PM

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Larry (my Senator for what it's worth) got hung out to dry by his own party. notice how fast his own people turned on him? haven't seen that for a long long time. think about it. the others (on both sides) got a free pass from other politicos for this. but Larry got his hat handed to him.

ask yourselves why.

(and yes, I am a Republican, George Bush is not, and I think he should be arrest and tried for High Treason at the very least)

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/11/2007 8:10:30 PM

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Larry (my Senator for what it's worth) got hung out to dry by his own party. notice how fast his own people turned on him? haven't seen that for a long long time. think about it. the others (on both sides) got a free pass from other politicos for this. but Larry got his hat handed to him.

ask yourselves why.

(and yes, I am a Republican, George Bush is not, and I think he should be arrest and tried for High Treason at the very least)

Larry Craig is my Senator as well, and one reason he was hung out to dry so fast is that he sounded so much like Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon when he said, "I am not Gay and I have never been Gay." That sound bite of Craig's' ranks right up there with, "I am not a crook" and "I want you to listen to me... I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski..."

It wasn't Nixon's' burglary, or Clinton's' intern, or Craig's' gay bathroom follies - it's the lies and the cover ups and the in-your-face condescending attitude from your typical low-life politician who thinks that you as a voter are too stupid to see him for what he is.

On a related side note, Craig also co-sponsored and voted for the latest illegal alien amnesty scam and, when he did that, his career was finished anyway. That's probably the real reason that so many Idaho Republicans came out of the woodwork trying to shout that complete bastard out of office... it had become blatantly obvious that Larry Craig was no longer interested in representing Idaho

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 10:12:36 AM

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early on I posted about having sex with an official in the park. i never said whom, and i wont. the man does a great job at what he does.

i can id the penis.

i see no point in desptroying lifes.

alot of men who get busted per public sex pay a heavy pric3e.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 10:59:45 AM

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I thought that once someone had stated they were guilty, that legally it was difficult to not prosecute them, unless they made the statement when they were either incompetent, or under duress (forced). Since he was neither, I am wondering how this is gonna work (has he said how?) I don't understand. Did he claim he was "not of sound mind" when he was in this bathroom?

I don't care if he is Gay, Bi, Het, or a Druid Zulu warrior - but if I am wandering the airport with my aged uncle, for example, and he stops in the airport men's bathroom, I don't think he necessarily needs to be exposed to anyone cruising for sex. What people want to do in hotel and motel rooms, or their own home, is their business.

Maybe it was a set-up - I have no idea. it seems like it is being made to look that way. I kinda feel badly for his wife (and both of them actually) if it is a set-up or a "sting operation gone wrong"

Sometimes I do wonder, why we as a society are focussing so much on what other people do re: Their sex lives - my comments about not wanting my loved ones to be exposed to people cruising for sex not withstanding. It's not like the world doesn't have bigger problems (Pedophilia being an exception).

This entire episode strikes me as being in the rather "small potatoes" category in general, as far as catching hardened criminals goes, on the part of law enforcement. I mean - aren't there any "bigger crime" types of happenings going on in the area? Drug pushers? Kidnappers? Rapists or burglers? Serial killers? Not enough for police to do? Whatever happened to police just stopping in at Dunkin' Donuts for coffee and staying there for hours?

As far as him voting for an anti-Gay marriage bill - well, he was elected to represent his constituents, not his own political POV. So even if he's gay, if that is what his constituents want as far as this bill goes, then I guess it would make sense (to me) he voted the way he did.

I am opposed to such a bill, and I think it's discriminatory (but I can understand why he voted for it if his constituency is very conservative. The same thing happens in my state, an unfortunately very conservative state).

- Susan

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:05:56 AM

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the thing is- a senotor has acesss to classified info. so why in teh world should he be granted this clearance if he is not of sound mind.

it stinks that yet- again the laws app.ly to every one but them!

in my experience the holier then thou crowd the one who chirps the loudest often has the most skeletons.

why should this guy get "special treatment" let him loose his job just like countless other men have even before the plea have. i personally know 3 guys who lost their jobs due to this type of "crime". the one i even had previously lectured to take it to a private home. he was afraid someone would see his vehicle there. i said so- you could be helping me put up shelfes. he done it his way- lost a good union job over his bathrrom sex. the kicker is- i warned him.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:32:01 AM

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Well I get it - I just think: People seem out-raged due to his being supposedly anti-gay, and now want to crucify him on a cross made of much the same kind of wood. Hmmm.

As far as his claim he isn't "of sound mind" - well, that is a dilemma if he wants to claim he is fit to be a Senator (or even a Janitor, maybe, I dunno). I am not sure what he is going to be able to do about that - unless of course he is usually of sound mind - and can get a doctor to help prove his state of " unsound mind" was temporary and unlikely to happen in the future. I think that might not be too hard to do...my guess is there is more than one MD around willing to offer his "expert witness" services, for a price.

Susan

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:35:27 AM

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Well I get it - I just think: People seem out-raged due to his being supposedly anti-gay, and now want to crucify him on a cross made of much the same kind of wood. Hmmm. As far as his claim he isn't "of sound mind" - well, that is a dilemma. I am not sure what he is goin g to be able to do about that - unless of course he is usually of sound mind - and can get a doctor to help prove his state of unsound mind was temporary and unlikely to happen in the future.

- Susan

he is better off saying the law did its job. i made a mistake. now i wish to move on. he just digs himslelf deeper by flaunting the law of which he makes. anyhow it is rather amuzing...in a way. he is s00000000 guilty.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:42:57 AM

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Well I wasn't trying to be mean (I like you are a nice guy, Pahunkboy). I don't think people need to be cruising public bathrooms - but I do think that law enforcement might have bigger fish to fry.

IMO, If law enforcement can do this good a job at catching elusive, hardened criminals - maybe we can send them over to hunt for Osama Bin Laden?!.

IMO if he is really bad news as an effective Senator for his constituents, then maybe he will simply get voted out of office soon - like in the next election.

- Susan

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:50:35 AM

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the public restroom stuff is the gutter. ive done it- but as at 43 i choose to treat myself with self respect.

if you pay attn- the states have closed rest areas- etc. in a way it is anti gay. at teh same time to purpasefully change the constitution is mean spirited.

society at large says 'not here" in terms of gays fitting in. yet- if this is my home why should i go to the big city?

the entire world is messed up. no offense taken. the gay population cant have it both ways... say we are just like you- then take over all teh parks and rest stops.

oh well- thats life.

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:51:36 AM

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I agree with you completely. I actually don't care if someone using a public restroom for sex is Het, Gay or Bi - I still don't necessarily want my loved ones having to "accidentally" run into them there. But IMO it isn't exactly on what I'd consider a "high crimes" list of stuff that could happen. It's distasteful and annoying, maybe. Possibly dangerous if the person is a real weirdo if violent (and that is a big IF).

But I am all for gay marriage -why should I care? Nobody who has ever proposed this kind of amendment has been able to tell me how opposing gay marriage threatens hetersosexual marriage.

- Susan

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:57:43 AM

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Can't even use public stalls these days without someone one stall over trying to bump your shoes. Shame shame!

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RE: Senator "not of sound mind"- bathroom sex - 9/12/2007 11:57:53 AM

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your point is well taken that there is more serious crime to go after. the gay park here- perplexing in that the amish get alone fine with the gays there. it is on a hill and not part of any neighborhood. however- i have gone to the straigh park just to be left alone. who wants a 75 yr old coming on to them. or the galkers or the police acting all dumb.

the park crowd- if the idea is to meet someone for perhaps a regular trist- or a friendship too. hmm. no one tries. so it is a waste of time to hang there.

the bars are even worse.

how does anyone meet? i know everyone has a hard time in this category.

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