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hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:00:03 PM)
i just saw the theatrical version of the film, but the workprint was amazing aside frommissing a few key cameos by rob zombies regulars. i happen to think rob himself released the workprint on the internet himself because they made him change so much and he wanted his fans see how he wanted the movie to be. i enjoyed both versions and am totally in love with sheri moon, this movie was good, only nitpick i have was the choice to play laurie (micheals sister) , danielle harris was the obvious choice and i dotn knwo why they didnt have her play lauri when she had played lauries daughter in 2 previous halloween films.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:02:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dregg13 Actually it is only assumed that Dr. Loomis died. It sure does look like he died, but if there is a part 2 I wouldnt be surprised if Loomis is back. Its been a long time since I saw all the originals, but didnt Loomis suffer some sort of major facial injury at the jands of michael? Also did anyone else notice that as Michael was pressing his fingers into Loomis' eyes Loomis had blood running out of his nose, yet when Loomis fell to the floor there was no blood on his face. I was also sad that Michaels mom, Sherry Moon Zombie, didnt show her boobs. Michaels sister and the sherrifs daughter had the best boobs in my opnion. yes, but not until the end of part 2. then he appeared again in 3 and I think that when the actor died, so they had to write him out. shadows on the wall depicting Loomis' death at the hands of Michael.

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:05:52 PM)
the man playing doctor loomis didnt die until they were filming halloween h20, he was set to be in it and everythgin, he was a wonderful actor, and its a shame he didnt get to play the part he was so good at one last time.

Dregg13 -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:10:14 PM)
While the original actor who portraied Dr. Loomis was great, I think Malcom McDowell was really great in the new version.

slaveluci -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia I'm waiting for it to come out on DVD to see how much was much it was changed. I never liked his previous movies, so not sure if this is gonna be any better...but we'll see. Some things should be left as they are. usually when someone remakes a movie, it's not an improvement on the original. Well, it had John Carpenter's blessing and it was never intended to be an exact replica of the original. Sure, the first one was great. This was like an homage to it that was to include the "missing years" of Michael's life, if you will. To me, the slowest and least likable parts of Zombie's version were the parts that attempted to "re-do" scenes from the original. It's only when he completely did something new that it really shined (shone?). The first half where you see what Michael's homelife was like was just as terrifying (and more realistic) than any of the murder scenes. I loved it for all the ways in which it was different and simply used the original as a springboard for new scenes..............luci

slaveluci -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:13:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears Well i liked the first one better - this remake was a bloodbath as well as a soft porn movie. You didn't have the connecttion to the main character as you did in the first movie. It seemed rushed. You did get to know Michael Meyer as a kid, which was different than the first movie. i just wasn't that scared, it was too predictable. Not enough suspension. Remember in the first one he walked slowly and you caught glimpses of him and it took time for him to get to the murders. In this one he was just a green hulk like maniac lol. i wonder if they will remake them all. They changed a lot too. It was done in memory of Mustafa Akaad - the original director of the first one. But i am glad you enjoyed it. Any other horror movies you like luci? Well, velvet, I wish you'd enjoyed it more. Different tastes and all that jazz[;)]. Yes, there's a ton of other horror movies I love. Mostly the classics from the 70's and 80's - too many to list here................luci

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:26:42 PM)
the problem I have with this new version is they killed off all of Michael's family, except the Laurie, but it was the parents that discovered Michael outside with a bloody knife...it doesn't fit in.

Dregg13 -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:30:44 PM)
That's the thing it doesnt HAVE to fit in with the original. This is not just a remake, its Zombie taking the original and making a new version of it. In the original the Myers were a nice middle class family. In this version they werent. Also in the original version there wasnt a baby sister Michael came after.

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:43:56 PM)
i just realized another thing about the movie, i happen to think that it may have been better if they had made it into 2 movies, the first part was the most interesting in my opinion, and would hav ebeen much better if he had made a straight prequel out of it and fleshed it out into a whole movie, ending on the night he escaped, then have the next pick up when the prequal left off and do a full fledged reimagining.remake, whichever term you prefer here, of the original carpenter film. just my opinion, but hte second half felt so rushed and hurried, and micheal seemed to be everywhere all at once. on another more lighthearted note, i noticed several goofs in the theatrical version, the first being the death of lauries adoptive father, you see the man decapitated an dhis head fly off in the other direction, then when micheal is dragging his body in, and in every other subsequent shot the body is in, he still has his head. lol, i found it silly but suspension of disbelieve i guess didnt work this time. another thign i noticed was that when laurie calls the police after finding annie the police dont go to the address laurie gave them, but instead to the house accrossed the street, which happens to be where micheal and lauri are, i guess when in haddonfield if your dying you shoudl run to the house accross the street after callign 911 since thats where they will show up? lol. even with its flaws i have to say i like this film alot better then the original, which i honestly was bored by most of the timeducks the flying fish soon to come the first 10 minutes or so are amazing, the music and the long trackign shot slowly pushing into the center of the jackolanterns eye, and then the way the murders are filmed, pure genious, and up until micheal is revealed to be a six year old child i was hooked, then it sort of let me down. im not sayign i dont love this movie but i just was more entertained by the remake. someone had mentioned the third movie and doctor loomis not being in it and wonderign if he had died, i just wanted to throw a bit of trivia in for any of you interested... (borrowed from imdb trivia on the film) After Michael Myers died in Halloween II, the plan by John Carpenters to make a new "Halloween" movie each year, each telling a different Halloween related story. After this movie failed at the box office, the film-makers decided to bring Michael back to life for future sequels. sorry this is so long but i spend alot of time on imdb:)

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dregg13 That's the thing it doesnt HAVE to fit in with the original. This is not just a remake, its Zombie taking the original and making a new version of it. In the original the Myers were a nice middle class family. In this version they werent. Also in the original version there wasnt a baby sister Michael came after. just wanted to add that you dont find out about micheal being lauries sister until the start of the second film, im being sush a geek abotu this but when i heard the remake was coming to theaters i dug out all my dvds of the halloween movies( i have them all) and watched them all, lol. am i the only one who did this?

Dregg13 -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 9:55:40 PM)
Wow I now wish I had watched all of the previous Halloween movies, before seeing the new one. I havent seen them in years. I do agree that a prequil would have been great. Just concentrate on everything up to the point of his escape. Also did anyone else wonder if there was any chance that Michael might spare the janitor at the asylum? Maybe just hurt him really good and leave him with some sort of a perminant injury, something so he could return to any possible sequals.

velvetears -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 10:23:50 PM)
i think if he didn't kill the janitor then it would have spoiled the effect of him being a true psychopath - it would have showed he had empathy which psychopaths have none of - ot would have watered down his psychopathiness lol Did anyone cheer a little when he was beating that bully. i think a few good shots were enough - then i would have stopped lol.... but then again i am not a psychopath.[8D]

velvetears -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 10:26:31 PM)
One thought that struck me too was his inconsistencies in how he killed, which doesn't ring true of true psychopaths - he beat some to death, he tried to drown one, he snapped one's neck, he stabbed several. Usually serial psychopatic killers are more ritualistic in their killing and use one method.

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/8/2007 11:00:23 PM)
!!!WARNINGspoilers and other goodies belowWARNING!!! watch the workprint, its fairly easy to find online, and you can pm me for links to the movie uploaded on googlevideo, and i have the script as well if anyone is interested int he progression from script to workprint to screen. that being said, in the workprint micheals character is much more consistant(and the janitor doesnt die) and he only kills peopel he feels have wronged him, or out or protection for his family(in his eyes) . WARNING!!! major spoilers to fallow, WARNING!!! * * * * * * the first kill, the bully, micheal wanted to protect his mother from them speakign bad abotu her, the second third and fourth, he did to protect his baby sister, in his eyes, from his moms viscous boyfriend and the bad influences of his sisyer. his anger is never focused on his mother ,or his sister, whom he calls boo. the nurse whom he kills with no provocation in the theatrical version, is only killed after having insulted his sister. and aside from totally changing the way he escapes , in the theatrical version its during a transfer, his character is consistant in his desire to find and protect his sister, killing anyone in his way , perhaps out of a desire to have her all to himself? the end is the scene that suffers the most in the theatrical cut, and was compleatly reshot, in the theatrical version he tries to kill laurie and chases her through the house before plunging themselves both off the balcony, which is still in line with the inconsistancies in the theatrical version. in the workprint you see his love for her more clearly, and he even surrenders her over to loomis after the man makes him see that it wasnt her fault what happened to him. micheal then makes a move to surrender himself to loomis, but then the police show up and loomis tries to stop them from opening fire on micheal but is unsucessful and micheal dies, the last shot is a beautiful overhead shot of lauri and loomis poised and crying over micheals body, and as it fades to black you hear a voiceover of the young micheal speackign to loomis for the first time.

leftofcenter -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/9/2007 5:08:43 AM)
Loved it! Loved it! Loved it! It was all I could do to stay in my seat and not cheer loudly! I'm a big Zombie fan though, and LOVED House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects. Rejects is one of those movies like The Exorcist, that kind of comes back and haunts you later when you think about it. It got horrible reviews on a couple of review sites I saw though. The only thing for me that didnt "flow" was that I kept waiting for the movie to go further into the future...but that was just my expectation....and it held it's own as simply a remake, rather than a sequel. I thought Tyler Mane made an intimidating Mikey...and it was so neat to see how Zombie used all his same actors AGAIN, most of them were in his other movies. I really cracked up seeing Mickey Dolenz from the Monkeys doing a bit part as a gun store owner, and Sherri was drop dead gorgeous as always. Hell I was even cheering during the preview trailers....got to see the SAW 4 trailer, and I was really excited to see the trailer for The Mist, as I'm a really big fan of Stephen King as well.

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/10/2007 6:06:34 AM)
i felt the same way, i loved those previews.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/10/2007 6:09:33 AM)
I heard from the people that work at one of the local Blockbuster stores and they said it wasn't as good as the previews or trailers made it out to be. so I'll wait until it comes out on DVD to see it. at the cost of going to the movies, it will be cheaper that way.

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/11/2007 12:03:45 AM)
the version so avalible online right now is alot better in my opinino but im deffinatly buying th dvd:)

RCdc -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/13/2007 10:22:14 AM)
This is Darcy As a huge horror movie fan (I've just written a book on them), I love the original Halloween and cite it as one of my favourite movies of all time, regardless of genre. When I heard that Zombie was remaking it I had mixed feelings. I liked House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects, and think that he'll have done a decent job (I must point out I haven't seen either version of the remake yet), but another part of me was fearful that he'd screw it up. Early reports seem to suggest that he's done it justice, and that the 'workprint' is actually better than the reshot version, so I'm greatly looking forward to comparing the two (in much the same way that the two very different versions of Halloween 6 were interesting to compare - for my money the Producers Cut works far better and it's a shame that this has never had an official release. Will report back once I've seen one or both versions. [:)] Darcy

hobbit9sub4u -> RE: Rob Zombie's "Halloween" (9/16/2007 10:11:59 PM)
the 6th one was my favorite as well(producers cut, which i have from online) and i am interested in your book, whats it called and where can i find it? wow, a real author, gushesthats my ultimate dream ever! can we talk sometime? i would love to get some pointers. can i have an autograph if i buy the book ? sorry if i seem like a rabid fangirl, i get the way about authors as some do abotu movie stars. not tryign to freak you out. clalms herself down ok, all better. as for the workprint version, there is a dvd quality version avalible online, which i also have, and zombie did indeed do it justice. if you like i can send you a link to the workprint, just pm me ont he other side.

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