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slaveboyforyou -> Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 7:17:59 AM)

Does anyone have any experience with collecting on a judgment in small claims court?  I loaned a former friend of mine a lot of money last year.  She stiffed me when the time came to pay up, so I sued her.  She didn't bother to show up to the court date, so I got a default judgment.  She is supposed to have filed a schedule of property with me, but she hasn't done it.  I know she is still living at the same residence.  I have her SSN and other info.  She is just ignoring the judgment entirely.  I was just wondering if anyone has had to do this before, and if they had advice.  I would certainly appreciate it.




sub4hire -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 7:26:59 AM)

Never been through it.  I imagine you are going to have go to back to court though. 
Get yet another judgement against her so they make her pay up.




mnottertail -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 7:27:32 AM)

talk to your local sherriff and see what they need to enforce the judgement, you will have to go to court to get the papers again. getting and collecting are like butterflies and prison.  no real corrolation.




Sinergysdarlin -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 9:59:05 AM)



if you know that information about her, go back to the clerk of court and file discovery documents; you can also file to attach her wages and put a lien on any property she may own. it's really about following up to enforce the judgment. she is in contempt for not filing the property discovery documents. if you have her bank acccount information, or can get it (perhaps a cancelled check or something), you won't need discovery; you can just attach her account.

i wish you luck on this. persistence does pay off. i have collected on a full amount claim.




chellekitty -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 9:59:26 AM)

but i like butterflies and being a prison gaurd and having sex with the inmates after lights out has been a long time fantasy of mine...so theres a real corrolation [:)]




Estring -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 10:15:33 AM)

Years ago I was hit by a car while riding a moped. I sued to get the money to replace the bike. Even though I won, I only was able to collect half of what I was owed. I had to chase her from job to job to garnish her wages. The court didn't help and I finally tired of chasing her.




TheIronHorse -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 10:20:20 AM)

Yeah, thats pretty much the way it goes.  Winning in court is only a fraction of the battle. 

While I am not touting 1 800 us search,  I've used to it with great success.  I had to collect a debt by chasing someone down continuously.   I am seeking another payment and sure as shit, the ph# I had is disconnected, so it's back to hunting him down again.  this person moves and switches jobs frequently, it's a battle to get paid.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

Years ago I was hit by a car while riding a moped. I sued to get the money to replace the bike. Even though I won, I only was able to collect half of what I was owed. I had to chase her from job to job to garnish her wages. The court didn't help and I finally tired of chasing her.




livetoservu -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 10:22:04 AM)

try a collection agency to collect whats due




Mercnbeth -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 11:53:49 AM)

There are infinite ways to collect upon a judgment and an equal amount of ways to avoid paying on a judgment.

I'll give you some ideas, but this in no way indicates the details of the process nor the expense and time it takes to get your money. You also have to consider if the money is worth it. You need to

Of course - to me, its a LOT about the revenge factor. You may not get your "pound of flesh" but you may get your money's worth in satisfaction making her life miserable. Here are a few ideas. Some you can do on your own, some will require outside sources.

- If you know that she is owner of any real property - file a lien on it, using your court ordered judgment. You can walk this though yourself by going into the county clerk's office. You may not be able to effect a foreclosure, however whenever the property is sold, or there is an attempt to refinance - your judgment, plus interest, would be paid. Even if you don't see any money, maybe your grandchildren will.

- File your judgment with every credit reporting bureau. To get your judgment on her record you need to get the necessary paperwork and submit it to the credit bureaus. You'll have to provide them a copy of the court order. If nothing else - this will make sure your judgment is "on the record". I don't know the current reliability regarding Small Claims Court's reporting judgments to the credit bureaus. It doesn't hurt to follow up and make sure you're judgment is on record.

- Do an asset search. Equifax is one of the largest and best services for this. This can be expensive. If you know that this won't turn up any significant assets that you don't know about - skip this.

- If there are any assets file a lien against them. The best assets are liquid assets; a car, motorcycle, bicycle, are the most obvious. However, you can file a UCC filing against any assets such as furniture, or other items such as computer equipment, video games, stereo equipment. Ideally - file a "Blanket" UCC using language such as "ALL REAL GOODS AND PROPERTY AT (Fill in address)". Once filed depending upon your local regulations you can have the sheriff go and pick up the property.

Remember - the cost of collecting your judgment can be added to the amount due you. You'll have out of pocket expenses but if you know of an asset that exceeds the value of your judgment that's the best case. For example, if your judgment is for $2,000 but you know she owns a car free and clear worth $3,500 (check the 'Blue Book' value) you can take your judgment and the details of the car to a professional re-possessor, and let him go get the car. The $1,500 should more than cover the cost upon sale. You'll have to reimburse any money received from the sale exceeding your judgment and cost.

There are specific "right to cure" statutes unique to localities. You may want to start the process by going in or calling your local sheriff's office to find out what the rules are for your area. Come to think of it, that's really the best place to start the process. Go in with your court papers and ask the Sheriff's office what is the most effective.

I've left out more than I've told. Expect many pitfalls, lots of paperwork, lots of frustration, and most of all expect to spend time and energy. Place a value on that before you start and don't exceed your budget.

Finally - keep in mind a couple old sayings:
"The best revenge is living a good life"
 
"Chalk it up to experience."  
Good luck!




e01n -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 12:40:04 PM)

I deal with this daily...

--the local cops/constable can enforce the judgment. Often non-productive, but a good way to get the message across.
--I just give it to the credit bureau as a "negative item." Since I'm dealing with bank products most of the time, Chexsystems gets into it as well. Not only does it drop their credit score, it affects their ability to deal with a bank. Kinda not nice either.

All throughout this, document all call attempts and letters sent. It'll come up if there's a criminal proceeding for contempt...




soultoshare -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 2:26:13 PM)

just one quick note about going to the cops.....a local, city or state agency will not do anything for you.  This is what's called a civil matter, and cops don't deal with them.  The one thing they MAY do for you, it varies by department, is they will stand by to keep the peace should you get anything awarding you any real property.  All this means is that they will make sure she doesn't attack you when you go to get the items.  However, if she should refuse to relinquish the property, or simply not answer the door, they will not be able to assist you in taking possession of the property.

Now county agencies usually have a civil division.  When you call them, ask the person that answers to transfer you to them, as they probably won't be able to answer your questions....just save you some frustration in the beginning.  They will be able to instruct you what you need to do, the paperwork you will need, etc.  They may also serve paperwork for you for little or no cost.

Probably the best way to get your money back is to try the garnishment thing.  And I'm not sure if an individual can do it, but try to put a lein on her state tax refund....again, you'd have to check with the state tax depatment, and the IRS for her federal refund.  But if you can place the lein, it's a guarantee that you'll get money before she does.

Good luck.




popeye1250 -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 6:15:52 PM)

This is why you ALWAYS get collateral up front.
If someone wants to borrow $1,000 from me I want collateral that I can get $10,000 for.
That way (when) they try to screw me I make money.
LOL, you have her SS #?
"Don't leave home without it!"




TheIronHorse -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/5/2007 6:19:11 PM)

I've had the cops tell me it is a civil matter and they wont get involved in it.

A lawyer can file papers to help assist in wage garnishment or you can hunt down the paperwork yourself.  Thats about all the help you will get. 

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ORIGINAL: e01n

I deal with this daily...

--the local cops/constable can enforce the judgment. Often non-productive, but a good way to get the message across.
--I just give it to the credit bureau as a "negative item." Since I'm dealing with bank products most of the time, Chexsystems gets into it as well. Not only does it drop their credit score, it affects their ability to deal with a bank. Kinda not nice either.

All throughout this, document all call attempts and letters sent. It'll come up if there's a criminal proceeding for contempt...




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/6/2007 4:34:45 AM)

Thanks for all the answers.  Unfortunately she does not have much in the way of assets.  Her home is in the name of a relative.  I was told that I could try to prove that this was done to hide it from creditors (which it was I believe), but that it would be extremely difficult.  I got her SSN, because she had to give it to me when I went down to the electric company to pay her bill for her.  She hadn't paid the damn thing in almost a year.  I was actually surprised that they took that long to shut her power off.  She does own a car that is paid off, but I would have to pay the storage and towing fees when the sheriff seizes it for auction.  I am a little perplexed as to why she is not filing the schedule of property.  She is allowed to exempt certain property on the schedule.  If she doesn't do it, then she can't exempt it.  I would love to garnish her wages, because that would be the easiest method.  But she never manages to hold a job for longer than a few months.  I know she would quit and it would be a pain in the ass to chase her down.  She lives in another town an hour's drive from me, so it is difficult to do my own investigation.  It isn't really about the money.  I was actually going to let the matter go until she started leaving nasty messages on my phone and talking shit about me behind my back.  I am looking into sending a copy of the judgment to the credit bureaus.  I was told that they routinely pick them up from the courthouse, but I am not completely trusting of that information. 

Anyway, a lot of y'all gave me some good ideas to check into.  I am going to look to see if I can do some of the things you suggested in this state.  I appreciate the advice.




pahunkboy -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/6/2007 5:35:31 AM)

if u hear a happy scream from PA it means i COLLECTED the forlosure company judgment.   6k.

these companies have a zillion ways of flouting the law.  and quite frankly ill live either way,

at least the STATE backs me up!




TheIronHorse -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/7/2007 7:15:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Thanks for all the answers.  Unfortunately she does not have much in the way of assets.  Her home is in the name of a relative.  I was told that I could try to prove that this was done to hide it from creditors (which it was I believe), but that it would be extremely difficult.  I got her SSN, because she had to give it to me when I went down to the electric company to pay her bill for her.  She hadn't paid the damn thing in almost a year.  I was actually surprised that they took that long to shut her power off.  She does own a car that is paid off, but I would have to pay the storage and towing fees when the sheriff seizes it for auction.  I am a little perplexed as to why she is not filing the schedule of property.  She is allowed to exempt certain property on the schedule.  If she doesn't do it, then she can't exempt it.  I would love to garnish her wages, because that would be the easiest method.  But she never manages to hold a job for longer than a few months.  I know she would quit and it would be a pain in the ass to chase her down.  She lives in another town an hour's drive from me, so it is difficult to do my own investigation.  It isn't really about the money.  I was actually going to let the matter go until she started leaving nasty messages on my phone and talking shit about me behind my back.  I am looking into sending a copy of the judgment to the credit bureaus.  I was told that they routinely pick them up from the courthouse, but I am not completely trusting of that information. 

Anyway, a lot of y'all gave me some good ideas to check into.  I am going to look to see if I can do some of the things you suggested in this state.  I appreciate the advice.


I just remembered, I did have the cops call on the individual who owed me money. Under the guise of "wellness check", the police approached him while he was washing his car.  It scared him into a quick phone call to me, and a loan payment.   He promptly moved and the process started over again.

I did eventually recover in full what I was owed.  It is incredibly difficult dealing with someone who doesnt want to, or will have a hard time repaying a debt.

1 800 us search was a one time $40 charge.  In addition to this persons address, I was able to obtain the parents as well as the ex's addresses.  Potentially helpful if said subject tends to move around often.




pahunkboy -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/7/2007 8:24:02 AM)

LMAO at 'wellness check" LOLOL




TheIronHorse -> RE: Small Claims Collections (9/7/2007 9:33:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

LMAO at 'wellness check" LOLOL


I simply called the cops and asked them to check on my friend, because he was supposed to call me last week and he hasnt answered his phone.




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