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Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:11:54 AM   
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Financial Times: Don't forget role of Bush's policies in asset inflation
by Jerome a Paris
Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 07:04:08 AM PDT

Don't forget role of Bush's policies in asset inflation
This is the excellent title that the Financial Times (Europe's main buisness paper) has chosen for the letter to the editor I sent them 10 days ago and which they published yesterday.
That letter was the result of a joint effort over at the European Tribune, as can be seen in the thread that reacted to an earlier article by Martin Wolf, the FT's senior economics editor (Financial crash: blaming the victims)
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  • Sir, In his article "Why the Federal Reserve has to keep the party going" (August 22), Martin Wolf refused to acknowledge one obvious cause of the current financial crisis: the policies of the Bush administration, carried out with the open support of the Greenspan Fed.

    These policies, through tax cuts aimed at the well-off, massive corporate pork made possible by a war of choice, and lax monetary and banking policies, had as their goal making the investment class richer – at the expense of everyone else who participates in the economy.

    Stagnant wages, made possible by weakening of corporate regulation and increased access to the Chinese labour pool, were instrumental in making higher profits possible, and lax monetary conditions allowed bubbling financial asset values. Lower taxes made capture of that wealth easier for the rich, and share buybacks (instead of investment) have been among the preferred instruments to get it done. The debt bubble also had the great advantage of making it possible to hide from most Americans that they were not sharing in that wealth capture, by hooking consumers on a habit of corrosive easy debt that substituted for real income increases.

    The fact that spending growth was underpinned by debt and not by income is an inevitable result of the neoliberal policies pursued and the main cause of the American deficits, as financed by the rest of the world. With US spending directed at manufacturing based in other countries, their complicity has been easy enough to procure.

    The imbalances are totally unsustainable and need to be corrected – in fact, they should have been several years ago. That correction will be painful enough; arguing for yet another round of the bubble merry-go-round, which can only lead to an even worse crisis later, is utterly irresponsible.

    Jérôme Guillet,

    Editor, European Tribune

    I'm quite proud that negative concepts like policies that have as their goal making the investment class richer and wealth capture are used in such a publication to describe the reality of current policies. I consider this as my small part in influencing the narrative on the economy, away from corrosive debt-fuelled consumption back towards productive investment.
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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:14:29 AM   
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    The new jobs that Bush has supposedly created pay less on average than the ones they're replacing. Who CARES if we've added a certain number of jobs if the bulk of them are crappy service industry jobs? I don't think people with degrees working at Jack In The Box is a sign of a strong economy...

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:17:13 AM   
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    I have heard that 1 in 6 of those new jobs were in the RE finance sector, guess what is going to happen to those?

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:18:45 AM   
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    And don't forget that Clinton's signing of the NAFTA bill is what's helping all the really good jobs wind up in Indonesia.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:21:34 AM   
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    quote:

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    And don't forget that Clinton's signing of the NAFTA bill is what's helping all the really good jobs wind up in Indonesia.


    I'll never forgive Clinton for signing NAFTA.


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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:36:23 AM   
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    Uh, what part of NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement do  you not get?  NAFTA was about giving Mexico and Canada (which already largely had free access) access to our markets.  I would rather send business to mexico than china any day.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:37:46 AM   
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    Uh, what part of NORTH AMERICAN free trade agreement do  you not get?  NAFTA was about giving Mexico and Canada (which already largely had free access) access to our markets.  I would rather send business to mexico than china any day.


    I don't want to send ANY of them business.


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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:41:14 AM   
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    Trade isn't good or bad in and of itself.  Most trade is in fact beneficial for both parties, our economy is bigger because of trade.  However, some trade can certainly be destructive and what China is doing by undervaluing their currency, allowing rampant intellectual piracy, as well as restricting foreign ownership and competition is essentially economic combat.  Problem for America is that destroying America is profitable for Bush's cronies.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:42:31 AM   
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    quote:

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    And don't forget that Clinton's signing of the NAFTA bill is what's helping all the really good jobs wind up in Indonesia.


    Ok, I'll admit I sometimes can't look at a map and tell you where every country in the world is, but last time I looked, Indonesia was not part of north america.

    I'd rather see the Mexican economy improve then that of the far east, but I'd rather see the US Dollar gain some strength in the process.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:43:16 AM   
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    quote:

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    Trade isn't good or bad in and of itself.  Most trade is in fact beneficial for both parties, our economy is bigger because of trade.  However, some trade can certainly be destructive and what China is doing by undervaluing their currency, allowing rampant intellectual piracy, as well as restricting foreign ownership and competition is essentially economic combat.  Problem for America is that destroying America is profitable for Bush's cronies.


    Trade with countries who do not hold themselves to the same standards as us is unfair to the American worker. It is not a level playing field for them. We are ****ing over our own working men and women.


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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:43:58 AM   
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    it's not, but the "free trade" gives companies the opportunity to ship jobs out for cheaper labor.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:47:27 AM   
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    Trade with countries who do not hold themselves to the same standards as us is unfair to the American worker. It is not a level playing field for them. We are ****ing over our own working men and women.



    ..is the reverse alright though? Agitating against subsidies to overseas companies while subsidising local companies? A level playing field is level for all the players, not just one side.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:49:54 AM   
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    quote:

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    And don't forget that Clinton's signing of the NAFTA bill is what's helping all the really good jobs wind up in Indonesia.


    I'll never forgive Clinton for signing NAFTA.



    Yea, and I suppose you make the choice to buy only products made in the US?  BTW, look under that keyboard your typing on..  Where was it made?

    So, would you rather NAFTA sends jobs to Mexico, or that they are sent to China?  Lets see..  As Mexicao's economy improves, we gain because the Mexicans are less inclined to come to the US illegally.  So, if were going to send money accross the border, atleast send it where it will do the US some help.

    Be mad at Clinton about NAFTA?  Hello..  Be more mad at Bush for giving the lead based China government "Most Favored Nation Trading" status.  China poisons us, kills democracy, yet we still import from them with ease, while we ignore cuba for being communist.  Guess Cuba doesn't have billions of dollars of exports to US economy at risk.

    NAFTA is pretty beneign, but narrow minded thinking will cause far more harm. 

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 10:53:36 AM   
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    but the "free trade" gives companies the opportunity to ship jobs out for cheaper labor.


    Ask anyone in the IT world if they fear call centers in India or Central America.  Level playing field?  If it were level, business would not outsource to all these shit poor countries that will allow business to polute, and exploit people because they so despiratly need the economic boost.

    I find it funny, so many went to the Philopeans, only to find they need to move again as these economies go from the poorest, to simply poor.  They find that at $1 an hour, it's worth it, but when labor starts demanding $2..  Then it's time to move (again)..

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 1:39:53 PM   
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    Uh Shadow, China got MFN status in 1979 (that would be under President Carter), not under Bush. 
    "President Clinton severed the link between China’s human rights practices and MFN renewal in 1994 declaring that "we are far more likely to have human rights advances when it is not under the cloud of the annual question of review of MFN. This is not about forgetting about human rights. This is about which is the better way to pursue the human rights agenda". This reflects the conviction that while it is appropriate to discuss human right, MFN is neither appropriate nor effective as the tool for enforcement. In fact, Chinese dissidents, Taiwan and Hong Kong support equal trading status for China."  http://www.wcit.org/resources/publications/issue_briefs/ib_china_mfn_status.htm
     
    Clinton also massivley relaxed exports of high technology (computers and Areospace technology) to China. 
     
    NAFTA often gets used as a shorthand for globalization, I think the poster meant WTO

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 1:52:13 PM   
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    Clinton also massivley relaxed exports of high technology (computers and Areospace technology) to China. 
     
    not that it is a big deal, because the export more high tech to the united states than we do them, in fact they are the worlds (by far and away) leading supplier of high tech shit.
     
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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 1:56:50 PM   
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    Nonsense Mnott.  DVD players are not high tech.  China was not an exporter ( nor a manufacture of home computers and such) untill  after Clinton relaxed the export controlls. 

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 3:08:07 PM   
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    http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=12533

    Don't bullshit the bullshitter and don't snow the snowman, kid.

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    pop open a computer hood before the Clinton Administration, and pop it open now, same thing, made in usa but the only difference now is they are putting chinese cases on em.

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 5:17:09 PM   
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    Yes Ron,  after Clinton tranfered important gyroscope and ballistic missle technology to them (in exchange for campaign $$)  they started using it, that is refered to as telecom industry in your article, they have become a leader in putting sattalites into orbit.  Virtually nothing in a computer is made in the USA, and never was.  You want to pretend a DVD player or a PC is high tech, fine by me, sounds silly though.  If you want to pretend that assembling a DVD player is "high tech", whatever....If you want to pretend a trade orginizations report is the Gospel, again go ahead.  and make a silly remark....

    Under Bush I it was illegal to take an apple laptop to China, by the end of the Clinton admin they were assembling them.  Maybe this is a good thing, but it is an undeniable thing

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    RE: Bush's false "economy" - 9/4/2007 5:34:20 PM   
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    Yes Ron,  after Clinton tranfered important gyroscope and ballistic missle technology to them (in exchange for campaign $$)  they started using it, that is refered to as telecom industry in your article, they have become a leader in putting sattalites into orbit.  Virtually nothing in a computer is made in the USA, and never was.  You want to pretend a DVD player or a PC is high tech, fine by me, sounds silly though.  If you want to pretend that assembling a DVD player is "high tech", whatever....If you want to pretend a trade orginizations report is the Gospel, again go ahead.  and make a silly remark....

    Under Bush I it was illegal to take an apple laptop to China, by the end of the Clinton admin they were assembling them.  Maybe this is a good thing, but it is an undeniable thing


    LMAO

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