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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:26:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I  liked Princess Diana, and I think what happened to her was indeed tragic. And if I had been her, the loss of privacy would have driven me bonkers. She might have sought some celebrity, true - but I think it appears she got an overdose of it. Also, she never claimed to be a philanthropist - it's other people who seem to want to pin that label on her.

She does not appear to have done as much selfless work with her life as Mother Teresa, and if she'd lived longer, she may have done a bit more than she'd managed to do. That she managed to do quite a bit of it, is to her credit - at least it appeared to me she did quite a bit, and her celebrity did manage to shine a spotlight on things like AIDs and the use of land-mines - and who knows how many people she managed to inspire to donate to those cause? I see that as a good thing. 

But to me, they are so very different from eachother in terms of their original life-styles, that they don't compare that well, except in terms of being the Icons people seem to want to make of them.

But I did see the OP's point (I really did).

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:29:26 AM   
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She came from humble beginnings and didn't ask to be thrust into the life she had. JMO


Ma`am, Diana came from a very rich and priveledged back ground.
http://www.althorp.com/SpencerFamily/

As for her work, yes she gave much needed publicity to many causes, especially Aids charities, starving kids, land mine clearance projects. i`m not usually cynical but a lot of the photo shoots took place during her fight with Charles over the divorce.

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:34:31 AM   
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I  liked Princess Diana, and I think what happened to her was indeed tragic. And if I had been her, the loss of privacy would have driven me bonkers. She might have sought some celebrity, true - but I think it appears she got an overdose of it. Also, she never claimed to be a philanthropist - it's other people who seem to want to pin that label on her.



In my mind, the two are linked: she sought celebrity/PR through appearing to be philanthropic.

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:37:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, maybe Northern Gent, but let's face it, IMO, she was young, beautiful and a Royal - the cameras were pretty much guaranteed to  follow her, no matter what she was doing - like PoliteSub53 said - a lot of them were following her re: Other areas of her life (like her love life) as well.

The cameras followed Fergie, too, as I recall, though perhaps not as much - then again, Fergie was not a Princess, "just" a Duchess, and IMO not half as stunning as Diana (but still cute, and appeared to me to be decent person). Fergie also does not have the questionable benefit of dying in a car crash at an early age, much like America's past President JFK, or, as Rule mentioned, actress Marilyn Monroe.  

Dare I say those tabloid cameras seem to focus more on the  young female Royals than the males? Maybe not though, if you look at Princes William and Harry...

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:41:20 AM   
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Well, maybe Northern Gent, but let's face it, IMO, she as young, beautiful and a Royal - the cameras were pretty much gauranteed to  follow her, no matter what she was doing



True enough. I'll be the first to admit that I'm biased on these matters concerning the monarchy, but the television appearance was cringeworthy.

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:44:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember that. Are you referring to the one TV show where she kind of bashed Prince Charles, and said there were really three people in her marriage from the start, and that it was a bit crowded (because Charles was having an affair)? Maybe Diana's comments on that show were in poor taste - but IMO, maybe at that point she'd just "had it" with the way the Royal Family was treating her. It must have been a huge embarrassment for them - and one they perhaps brought on themselves.

For heaven's sake - where was the Queen when Charles was choosing a bride? Did she never once mention to her son that his choice was maybe a bad decision to start with, for that reason? I wasn't there, I don't know, but it seems to me she could have been a bit more sympathetic to Diana. 

- Susan

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:47:28 AM   
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I remember that. Are you referring to the one TV show where she kind of bashed Prince Charles and said there were really three people in her marriage from the start, and that it was a bit crowded (because Charles was having an affair)? Maybe it was in poor taste - but IMO, maybe at thatpoint she'd just "had it" with the way the Royal Family was treating her. It must have been a huge embarrassment for them - and one they perhpas brought on themselves.

- Susan


Yeah, I still can't believe I spent time watching the thing...my take was/is, she made her bed, no use crying on television etc. 

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 3:51:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well maybe it was in poor taste, and maybe she could just have not married him to begin with. But, if I recall, she was only 19 years old when she did. I did many things at age 19, that I would never do today.

Charles on the other hand, was in his 30's when he married, and IMO, should have known better than to take advantage of her - IMO he was possibly pulling just as big a celebrity stunt by choosing her for a bride, as she was by marrying him, if you view it in that light.

However, being as I was not there, who knows what really went on in either of their heads at the time...but - I don't live in the UK, so I may be missing some pieces of pertinent information about the situation, due to that.

- Susan 

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 5:42:19 AM   
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People who give of theirselfs for others in mass are no joke Real One. JMO

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Anyone who criticizes Mother Teresa is a dumbass. You might as well criticize the NY firefighters and policemen on 9/11 or anyone willing to give up their lives for the benefit of other people. What have you done that's so important. Exactly.




you might want to check your quoting, i never said that.


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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 5:45:24 AM   
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Princess Di gave better head.



yeh now if they had a conversation about madonna that would get my interest.  She used to pick up dudes and fuck their brains out.


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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 7:12:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		 The media goes, where they`re going to get more advert time/space,...period.What sells,gets scene,whether it is a train wreck,America`s funiest home vids or the shuttle landing.

Warning -bad joke:

Mother Theresa has passed,and she`s greeted by St.Peter at the gates of heaven.
"Come it,Theresa,you won`t need to have your sins/good deeds counted,you`re a saint,welcome."

They stroll through heaven,looking around at different place to stay,and things to do.

As they walk,Theresa sees Lady Di,not to far away.She looks and sees Diana has a halo over head.

Theresa turns to Peter,and says"Hey,I thought I was the saint?!
True,she was the do-gooder princess,and helped thousands.I have helped tens of thousands,and more.Ok she gave a lot of herself to charity and good works,but I gave almost my whole life to helping the suffering and dying.I am surely more deserving of a halo.Where`s my Halo?"

Peter turns to Theresa,and says
"that`s not a halo,that`s a steering wheel"



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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 7:18:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		They shouldn`t be compared,at least not back to back.They were both good people.

Comparing how we feel about them,might seem valid. But still,how much we remember them,and making judgments about the quality of memories is something neither of them would have wanted,IMO.



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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 8:16:44 AM   
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Why is it that you hear so much about Princess Diana, but Mother Theresa goes practically unoticed?


Then how did MT get to be a household word?

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 8:25:37 AM   
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Mother Theresa goes practically unoticed?  This really bothers me.

Unnoticed, you say?  Not on CM.  Why, if you look back a few pages here in the "Off Topic" section you can find nearly 500 responses all about her.  Granted, most of them are painting her as a thieving, deceitful, hypocritical, cuntish vulture but, hey, at least they "noticed."  Guess around here it's better to not be noticed?

Seriously, I see your point.  I don't understand it either.  Good question..............luci

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 11:28:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

youre joking right?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1229517/tm.htm



No, I was not joking.  I try to follow the posts on this site, but I can't possibly keep up with them all.  Real life kinda gets in the way.
Interesting link...... which lead to another link......finally gave up, although I did get a lot of information.
I guess I should say that from MY perspective, I rarely see anything in the public forums ( TV news, newspapers, etc.)  about all the works that Mother Theresa did.  Apparently there was more out there than I realized, but I was unaware of it.  On the other hand, I couldn't avoid all the attention given to Princess Diana if I wanted to.  What sparked my post was a movie I was watching called "The Queen".  I expected it to be about Queen Elizabeth (imagine that), but it turned out to be as much about Princess Di as anyone else in the royal family if not more.
From what I read here on the forums, I would be more inclined to agree with Susan's point of view than any others, although I can see where the others are coming from. 
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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 11:35:33 AM   
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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 11:48:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree (theroretically anyway) with what the OP said, although Mother Teresa was on the cover of TIME magazine last week, though.

Mother Teresa didn't seem to get nearly as much press coverage as Princess Diana. But then I guess that depends on where one is looking. Julia Roberts seemed to get more, too. If you're talking women's magazine and tabloids, yes, she certainly did get much more than Mother Teresa, I agree. 

I consider Princess Diana as more of a celebrity in the "Hollywood mode" - at least here in the U.S. She did do some admirable (to me) charity work, and I thought it was sad she died so young. Mother Teresa did far, far more, IMO, though, and obviously lived in far less glamorous conditions than Diana did. 

- Susan

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 7:17:02 PM   
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Diana was a whiney spoiled rich brat, and for the life of me I can't understand why anybody would give a flying fuck about her dying


This is why I admired her.This is all she had to do,to be a saint,but she did more.

http://www.villagelife.org/news/archives/9_12_97_landmines.html

http://www.motherlindas.com/from_mines_to_vines.htm

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19849595.html

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RE: Princess Diana and Mother Theresa - 9/2/2007 8:08:28 PM   
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It just so happens that Mother Theresa died the same day if my memory serves me correctly.  ( If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone out there will correct me.)


I think it was the same week but not the same day.

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Why is it that you hear so much about Princess Diana, but Mother Theresa goes practically unoticed?


Diana's death had a sudden, shocking, tragic edge that Mother Teresa's did not. And Diana was a glamorous celebrity. I don't doubt that late Princess of Wales was sincere in her charitable work, but I suspect that casting Diana as a nonpareil philanthropist was a way for media folk and their audiences to convince themselves that they weren't serving or imbibing tabloid journalism.

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