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Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 8:52:57 PM

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I noticed that quite a few subs have knifeplay as a hard limit, is it because it can be bloodsport when extreme, and it's taken to be JUST that? Or no..... I enjoy employing it (no blood involved), more like scratching of patterns,, and mindplay sometimes. Curious as to what other's techniques may be, and how they employ same....

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 8:59:10 PM

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i simply use dulled throwing knives because they are well balenced in conjuntion with wax and the heat from candles, working with blindfolds and knowing the location of nerve endings and sensitive areas of the body then drawing the tip over them, but i always test the heat on my hand before applying it better safe than sorry

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 9:06:55 PM

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'knifeplay' is NOT about cutting or bloodplay; those are different kinks. In all the years I have engaged in it [almost 8] and done demos, I have NEVER been cut, not even with a samuri sword, dagger or hunting knife, etc. Its NOT a hard limit with me, heck, its almost an 'absolute.' The next knifeplay demo I do, I am inviting MJ to it, I don't how how He would take it, but He seems genuinly interested in learning.

Tips for knife play ....

do NOT cut or draw blood
use SHARP 'knives' dull ones can have nicks and pull the flesh and draw blood; a dull blade is a 'no no' and a mistake, if you would not shave with the blade then don't play with it
keeping the 'knife' in the fridge can be as much of a mindf**k as anything and if you play it up, it can feel 'hot'
take it slow, no need to rush, enjoy it
do NOT tie up your partner until you are experienced
take a class or tow or three by someone reputable with a LOT of experience
for me a blindfold puts me over the edge, its incredible; for a newbe to knifeplay, that might be terrifying, so once again, take things slow
USE SAFEWORDS. no excuse to NOT use one
have a steady hand
talk to your partner, it adds to the experience
in my case watching 'Highlander' and those swords and daggers gets me in the mood for knifeplay, see what turns your partner on and if she has a similar 'reaction' to seeing that sorta thing, talk to her about it

A few tips, I could post more, but, I am fighting off low space after this, lol. You can always email me on the other side if you want to talk more.

edited because i cant spell at the moment

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 9:15:58 PM

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Knifeplay and cutting are two entirely separate play modalities. Those who have respect for the flesh and the health of their bottom will generally use a sterile surgical implement for any sort of cutting. Knifeplay, OTOH, can range anywhere from a mindfuck in a play rape scene to a seductive way of getting your beloved out of their eveningwear (not the House of Harlot catsuit please!) to rendering the subject stock still as you graze the ice cold blade over their nether regions as a form of mental and physical imprisonment.

You're wriggling. You don't want to force me to cut you and make me look bad, do you? Then stand....STILL!

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 9:16:31 PM

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If you were blind folded...Why not play with butter knives? I don't get this...Where is the kink? The thought of accidents happening? Seems kind of lame....My kink is better than yours.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 9:36:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

use SHARP 'knives' dull ones can have nicks and pull the flesh and draw blood; a dull blade is a 'no no' and a mistake, if you would not shave with the blade then don't play with it

I can't say that this is an absolute rule that everyone in the world should follow.

If you use entirely ALL dull blades, and inspect them, then you run no risk that one would in accidentally grabbing the sharp one and mistaking it for the dull one. Having a set of "play blades" made by a reputable blacksmith (mine were made by Blacksmith Chic Lorelei) is worth the money if you're someone who does alot of knifeplay.

If you're going to play with sharp blades, then it's imperative that they be professionally sharpened from time to time -- a sharpening block isn't sufficient in my mind. The top should also be knowledgable in how to mitigate the disasters that can happen with sharp blades, to include wound care and perhaps even basic suturing.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 9:49:26 PM

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the knives i used were almost flat edged, and i personaly saw to it that i tested it on myself first, my rule has always been if your not willing to do it to yourself then dont do it period

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 10:08:29 PM

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Greetings
In a recent meeting I engaged in knifeplay...slowly surely but yet experimenting as well. It was our first session in the sensation play realm so other things were also engaged. I traced designs, Marked her in various forms (no blood), and then also used the flat to abrade areas of the skin as well. End result....I leave that to your imaginations. heh heh

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 10:22:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

I noticed that quite a few subs have knifeplay as a hard limit, is it because it can be bloodsport when extreme, and it's taken to be JUST that?

My guess would be yes, new or inexperienced subs probably equate knifeplay with cutting. I know I did.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 10:37:57 PM

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I agree that you should never use a dull blade, unless you are absolutely positive that not only are there no nicks but that the blade is evenly dull. In general I prefer to just use the tip. Don't apply ANY forse of your own, let gravity determin the pressure. Then pull the knife backwards (never actually using the blade). I'm just going to shut up about this actually, because I feel uncomfortable giving specific technical advice without recourse to extensive visual aides. If you're interest, find someone who can teach you in person. I don't know of any books on the topic, but then I haven't been looking.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 10:48:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

'knifeplay' is NOT about cutting or bloodplay; those are different kinks.

its not always about cutting or bloodplay...personally i want it to be, but i can't always get the top to agree to do it...if i don't trust the top to safely cut me, i don't trust them to do a scene with them....

quote:

In all the years I have engaged in it [almost 8] and done demos, I have NEVER been cut, not even with a samuri sword, dagger or hunting knife, etc. Its NOT a hard limit with me, heck, its almost an 'absolute.' The next knifeplay demo I do, I am inviting MJ to it, I don't how how He would take it, but He seems genuinly interested in learning.

goody for you..

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Tips for knife play ....
do NOT cut or draw blood

if the bottom does not want you to...

quote:

use SHARP 'knives' dull ones can have nicks and pull the flesh and draw blood; a dull blade is a 'no no' and a mistake, if you would not shave with the blade then don't play with it

or make sure your dull knives are smooth...i would say common sense would dictate this, but common sense is not common...and there are very sharp knives with barbs and knicks in them that cut without intending to...so...

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keeping the 'knife' in the fridge can be as much of a mindf**k as anything and if you play it up, it can feel 'hot'

take it slow, no need to rush, enjoy it

yep

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do NOT tie up your partner until you are experienced

why? i would think that if it would reduce their unconscious jerky movements, as i am assuming you mean in the context of a knife play scene, wouldn't that be better for a less experienced Top?

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take a class or tow or three by someone reputable with a LOT of experience

again common sense, but not so common, with any new impliment

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for me a blindfold puts me over the edge, its incredible; for a newbe to knifeplay, that might be terrifying, so once again, take things slow

ok

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USE SAFEWORDS. no excuse to NOT use one

so now you're going to tell people how to scene within their relationship dynamics? wow...thats mighty presumptuous of you.....

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have a steady hand
talk to your partner, it adds to the experience

in my case watching 'Highlander' and those swords and daggers gets me in the mood for knifeplay, see what turns your partner on and if she has a similar 'reaction' to seeing that sorta thing, talk to her about it

okies...

i have had sharp knives and dull knives and in between knives used on me...its all about technique, skill and intent...you match all three up and you can go from very sensual (i have done it from the top side to vanilla guys) to total mindfuck (done it from the bottom side, see later in the post) to very painful (bottom side there too, also later in the post)...and not really something you can learn from reading a book or reading a couple of posts on a message board...its something you have to see and touch and try and do...like all the other various forms of play we do...

anyway...hot memorable scenes for me included...the Top spent over 30 minutes cutting my clothes off with a very sharp single edged knife then grabbed my nipple and ran that sharp edge lightly over the top of it and then the bitch ran the flat dull edge hard up against the bottom of it...my eyes popped open and i slowly looked down expecting to be minus a nipple....i was able to breath about 1 and a half minutes later...she laughed evilly for a good while...and still tells the story years later...also...the sensation of having wax removed with a seraded steak knife was hot....i have also sat down for the purpose of getting a cutting and had an ornate cross carved into the middle of my back with disposable scapels...took 4 of them to complete it....

good luck...have fun and hurt someone...just don't harm them...
chelle

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/1/2007 10:52:52 PM

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Thank you slaverosebeauty for your "Tips on Knifeplay" submission; I never considered using the fridge/freezer before, but I will now! However, I do use a knife with a dull blade as part of the psychological game. The knife is in no way nicked or chipped, as the blade never was sharp; it is dull, smooth and safe.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 1:18:17 AM

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It might be a hard limit because of incidences like what happened in one of our local clubs recently. A "Dom" was doing knife throwing (I guess one of his early hard ons was over the magician's assistant) at his sub as part of the paid entertainment. (Several of our local clubs have paid entertainers who perform in the main stage area of the venue.) He didn't miss. She did live, but with a collapsed lung that necessitated a 911 call and several days of hospitalization.

Granted, very few people are going to go that far in knife play. But the fact is there that screwing up with a knife can mean life threatening injury. That is scary. If you've seen good knife play done by someone skilled, it can allay those fears. Skillfully done knife play is more erotic than scary. Unfortunately, most of the people on this site have never been to a place where such is being done. I suspect that unless a person has a true knife phobia, as they come to know and trust their Dominant, the hard limit of knife play will go away.

Oh, and for the record, the "Dom" in the above incident was arrested for drugs as he was high and holding. I do not know what charges, if any, were filed as a result of the accidental stabbing. And yes, our community took this (and another incident where someone attacked someone over a personal vendetta in one of the local dungeons) seriously and had a "town hall" community meeting to discuss ways of keeping things safer. Sadly it wasn't very effective (http://alt.com/blog/Alex_Petite/index.html?m=7370321_42106 )

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 5:29:37 AM

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I experienced my first knife play scene when he scratched, "My pita" into my ass on the day of our collaring ceremony. I LOVED it and would do it again in a heartbeat with him! The scratches lasted over a weak and even two months later when he gives me a good spanking he can see some of the letters very faintly.

We saw a cutting demo that was beautiful and when my Sir has the time to practice, we will do this. I would love for him to do a butterfly design on me.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 6:06:53 AM

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Oh Yummy!

Knife play is so erotic, to both the top and the bottom - in my experiences. I think playing with knives when I was a teen helped navigate my path here.

I've always used very sharp knives, but as another posted said, with no 'force' (except when etching and then it's only surface abrasions).

The main thing I think one should consider is keeping a well stocked first aid kit nearby - with suturing equipment and the knowledge of how to use it. I once accidently dropped a knife, and it landed in a very sensitive location - inner thigh. The wound wasn't too deep, but had it been a bit to the right, it could have hit a vein, and a bit to the left, he mighta lost a testicle. Fortunatly, it only required 4 stitches. I learned never to drink alcohol while playing with knives. Mind you, I was 16 at the time, but that lesson has stuck with me, and him.

So yeah, avoid substances, including medications that may make you drowsy or hyper. Keep a first aid kit handy. And have fun.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 6:21:26 AM

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Slaveroseofwhatever always says that crap about sharp knives and every time she does I have to post that it is complete bullshit.

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use SHARP 'knives' dull ones can have nicks and pull the flesh and draw blood; a dull blade is a 'no no' and a mistake, if you would not shave with the blade then don't play with it

As someone already mentioned, even an idiot can tell if a blade has a nick on it. Using razor sharp knives to pare apples or slice paper is a great mindfuck and then you switch for a dull one when you fuck them with a knife. Dull blades have lots of uses. Heck, when someone did a mindfuck on me a while back at a charity auction, she used a dull butterknife to "cut" the wax off of me, both the knife and the wax were mindfucks as it was all water.

As for "sharp" my chisels that I use on wood are sharpened on an 8,000 grit Japanese waterstone and look like mirrors and then get stropped with polishing compound so I know a tad or two about sharp. Touch a "sharp" blade to your skin and it just opens up and I would NEVER use anything like that near someone unless I needed blood for anal lube or something.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 8:38:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

'knifeplay' is NOT about cutting or bloodplay; those are different kinks. In all the years I have engaged in it [almost 8] and done demos, I have NEVER been cut, not even with a samuri sword, dagger or hunting knife, etc. Its NOT a hard limit with me, heck, its almost an 'absolute.' The next knifeplay demo I do, I am inviting MJ to it, I don't how how He would take it, but He seems genuinly interested in learning.

Do NOT cut or draw blood

use SHARP 'knives' dull ones can have nicks and pull the flesh and draw blood; a dull blade is a 'no no' and a mistake, if you would not shave with the blade then don't play with it

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do NOT tie up your partner until you are experienced

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Those must have fallen out of my 'How To Do What It Is That We Do' rulebook. What page did you find them on again?

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 10:26:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

keeping the 'knife' in the fridge can be as much of a mindf**k as anything and if you play it up, it can feel 'hot'

Frozen Butter Knife..... MMMMMMMMMM.

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 10:39:12 AM

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they won't let me play with the chisels in the wood shop at school......but they will give me full reign with the mig welder...hmmmmm

chelle...who's now all wet thinking about welding....

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RE: Knifeplay, techniques? misconceptions? - 9/2/2007 10:40:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: YourShyPet

Frozen Butter Knife..... MMMMMMMMMM.

heck, if the bottom is blindfolded, and you are good at talking you can convince them the edge of a metal spoon handle is a knife....

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