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InnocentYoungSub -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 6:34:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen68 You really should stay out of consenting adults' relationships. Agreed. Generally I try to respect other's opinions but if those opinions include curbing others freedom's and liberties...well that is different all together.

Hisbellaluna -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 6:39:08 AM)
i really really really want to corrupt you... sighs...wicked thoughts...

camille65 -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 6:51:50 AM)
In a roundabout way yes it has influenced me. Certain things have always been important to me, certain freedom of choice and option that I will fight for. This board is the roundabout bit, in particular the OffTopic section with the (sometimes really goofy) political threads. Those have caused me to dig deeper, to read more and explore things/facets/and people that I otherwise would have probably not paid much attention to. I have gained a much broader world view. quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty Snipped: If people saw the petitions I sign and what I protest,............ to prosecuting those who engage in 'fake underage' with adults [aka age play in a sence] You are joking right? You don't really sign petitions against peoples thoughts, right? Most of what you post tends to startle me but this one kinda blew me away. How exactly do 'you' determine what adults are thinking or playing behind closed doors? Do you also sign petitions against those that pretend to be kitties or doggies? Cuz by that logic it is aka bestiality 'in a sence'. I have this mental image of you outside someone's bedroom wall with a glass pressed up against it so you can hear what they're saying......

thetammyjo -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:01:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna when i support a canidate, i look at things that i can't keep behind bedroom doors like troop support and national security and little things like that... edited to add: while keeping our basic rights...while i am not in favor of the latest tactics of bill of rights? whats that?...i do think we should have some semblance of hey, you, you want a whole bunch of us to die... get the fuck out... This reminded me of several quotes: No, these do not have to do with BDSM but with government and society and the individual. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." ~Thomas Paine "Here is my advice as we begin the century that will lead to 2081. First, guard the freedom of ideas at all costs. Be alert that dictators have always played on the natural human tendency to blame others and to oversimplify. And don't regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with to free, public, unhampered expression." ~Gerard K. O'Neill "We on this continent should never forget that men first crossed the Atlantic not to find soil for their ploughs but to secure liberty for their souls." ~Robert J. McCracken "Most people want security in this world, not liberty." ~H.L. Mencken "Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have." ~Harry Emerson Fosdick "Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of liberty is a history of resistance." ~Woodrow Wilson "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ~James Madison "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home." ~Edward R. Murrow "The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." ~Daniel Webster "Most men, after a little freedom, have preferred authority with the consoling assurances and the economy of effort which it brings." ~Walter Lippmann "Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves." ~D.H. Lawrence "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." ~Louis D. Brandeis "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." ~Edmund Burke "Many politicians are in the habit of laying it down as a self-evident proposition that no people ought to be free till they are fit to use their freedom. The maxim is worthy of the fool in the old story who resolved not to go into the water till he had learned to swim." ~Thomas Macaulay

Hisbellaluna -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:10:31 AM)
it is not liberty that makes the United States of America who we are...there are plenty of countries out there with freedom of choice...but you have that right to believe so, and i will defend you with my dying breath to believe so...and that, in my opinion, is what makes us Americans...sorry to all those from other countries whom i have offended...i am proud of where i am from... His bella luna

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:13:38 AM)
Not anymore or less than other parts of myself. But it is an aspect of how I process things. I'm not an activist type in general, though I have supported bdsm/alt activist groups by attending events and donating money and helping in some planning meetings.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:19:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fungasm I've been reading about the hell that the folks at The Enclave (http://enclavewest.com/) have gone through. You can read about it here (http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/). It makes me wonder though, and very carefully think about my causes. Civil Liberties have become very important to me. I'm curious for others- does your kink influence your activism? Your politics? Alison Living in Colorado, I am well aware of the problems that the Enclave is having. Interestingly, most of the people on the governmental side pushing for legislating the Enclave out of existence are politicians on the left, determined to "nanny" us towards safe behavior. Commerce City's attorney, Tom Merrigan, is fond of those measures that chip away at civil liberties and of "Big Brother" government that takes care of you while all the while watching over you...he has also supported the idea of photo-radar to catch those irresponsible speeders, non-smoking laws within your home, etc.. Where it will really get interesting is when it gets in front of the Colorado Supreme Court. Considering that the owners of the Enclave have done EVERYTHING within code just to make sure that they could not be shut down for vague reasons, it will be interesting to see how the Colorado Supremes...a majority of which are liberals...twist themselves into knots trying to explain themselves if they shut down the Enclave.

domiguy -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty If people saw the petitions I sign and what I protest, you might not ever point me out as being in M/s or bdsm. I have signed over 100 petitions in the last year ranging from everything from revoking Roe vs Wade to cloning to prosecuting those who engage in 'fake underage' with adults [aka age play in a sence] It may not be copasetic with most around here, but it is with who I am. Being open-minded and 'adventurious' as a few friends have put it, doesn't mean that I check my ethics and beliefs at the door. If anything, this lifestyle hsa made me more proactive in things and made me work HARDER to get laws changed and to change society. God, I just hate it whenever I am done shopping at "The Jewel"...That someone wants me to sign a petition banning "fake underage" role play....If I just had a nickel...Always rudely barging into my conversations... "Excuse me sir! Could I have a minute of your time to address a tremendous problem that we Americans face?" I quickly respond, "Look I'm in kindofa hurry here. So what's the prob? Global warming? The war in Iraq? Our diminishing freedoms?" The woman clutching the clipboard stares me right in the eye and says, "Oh no, this is a very serious problem that must be addressed! Are you aware that there are people who actually get their rocks off by pretending that they are adolescents and then fuck? I mean they are adults but they act like kids and then they engage in all types of heinous activities...Like Oral! And Anal!!....(As the woman continues to speak I notice that there is a small amount of sweat forming on her brow and above her lip....Her face is beginning to flush and her nipples seem to be tightening and protruding through her bra and tight sweater) They tie each other up and do acts that are simply unspeakable!!!....It is revolting and these adults must be stopped!!! Please sign here..." I return her gaze....First glancing at her nips, and then we lock eyes and I say, "Get the fuck away from me...You dumb fucking cunt." Regardless of whether people out here think that your actions are copacetic, or not....I just think you are a total trip.

thetammyjo -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 7:46:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna it is not liberty that makes the United States of America who we are...there are plenty of countries out there with freedom of choice...but you have that right to believe so, and i will defend you with my dying breath to believe so...and that, in my opinion, is what makes us Americans...sorry to all those from other countries whom i have offended...i am proud of where i am from... His bella luna I'm sorry, are you suggesting I'm not proud to be an American? Or that criticizing one's government or one's representatives means a lack of pride? I happen to believe like our founding fathers that it is our duty as citizens to keep informed and demand better of those who represent us, to push our nation to be better and to defend our civil liberties. To merely support those currently in positions of authority seems to be more the duty of those under a monarchy or a dictatorship. I'm sure you are not supporting monarchy or dictatorship, right? I'm sure you've just misinterpreted what I said and I what you are saying, yes?

thetammyjo -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 8:03:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: fungasm I've been reading about the hell that the folks at The Enclave (http://enclavewest.com/) have gone through. You can read about it here (http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/). It makes me wonder though, and very carefully think about my causes. Civil Liberties have become very important to me. I'm curious for others- does your kink influence your activism? Your politics? Alison Living in Colorado, I am well aware of the problems that the Enclave is having. Interestingly, most of the people on the governmental side pushing for legislating the Enclave out of existence are politicians on the left, determined to "nanny" us towards safe behavior. Commerce City's attorney, Tom Merrigan, is fond of those measures that chip away at civil liberties and of "Big Brother" government that takes care of you while all the while watching over you...he has also supported the idea of photo-radar to catch those irresponsible speeders, non-smoking laws within your home, etc.. Where it will really get interesting is when it gets in front of the Colorado Supreme Court. Considering that the owners of the Enclave have done EVERYTHING within code just to make sure that they could not be shut down for vague reasons, it will be interesting to see how the Colorado Supremes...a majority of which are liberals...twist themselves into knots trying to explain themselves if they shut down the Enclave. I just wanted to say that this is completely true. People who want to control others can come from all political parties and use a variety of justifications for why they want to do what they want to do. This explains the odd mix of some feminists with some religious folks over the issue of pornography for example. At their core though I think anyone who wants to control others personal consensual lives via the government (not BDSM) is motivated by fear. Arguably we might say that all government and laws come from fear either of what might happen or what has happened in the past. I can't say that I find fear to be a positive motivation. However whenever human beings get together, especially in large groups, we seem to want rules perhaps to curb our fears? I think it is an ongoing journey to balance those rules that help us live together without interfering with our ability to be unique human beings free from as much fear as possible.

Hisbellaluna -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 9:35:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thetammyjo quote: ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna it is not liberty that makes the United States of America who we are...there are plenty of countries out there with freedom of choice...but you have that right to believe so, and i will defend you with my dying breath to believe so...and that, in my opinion, is what makes us Americans...sorry to all those from other countries whom i have offended...i am proud of where i am from... His bella luna I'm sorry, are you suggesting I'm not proud to be an American? Or that criticizing one's government or one's representatives means a lack of pride? I happen to believe like our founding fathers that it is our duty as citizens to keep informed and demand better of those who represent us, to push our nation to be better and to defend our civil liberties. To merely support those currently in positions of authority seems to be more the duty of those under a monarchy or a dictatorship. I'm sure you are not supporting monarchy or dictatorship, right? I'm sure you've just misinterpreted what I said and I what you are saying, yes? i believe you have misinterpreted what i said...i was appologizing if what i said seemed like i was saying that i thought america was inherently better than any other country...nothing about you....

InnocentYoungSub -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 10:46:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty Being open-minded and 'adventurious' as a few friends have put it, doesn't mean that I check my ethics and beliefs at the door. It also doesn't seem to mean that you're not a fascist. [8\|]

InnocentYoungSub -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 10:50:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna it is not liberty that makes the United States of America who we are... This statement is just...stunning. For God's sake, we were the first nation ever built on dissent. quote: ORIGINAL: Hisbellaluna i really really really want to corrupt you... sighs...wicked thoughts... Heh, thank you. Its nice to be wanted. [;)]

ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 11:50:00 AM)
Innocent young sub quote: " it is not liberty that makes the United States of America who we are..." This statement is just...stunning. For God's sake, we were the first nation ever built on dissent. It might be argued that geographical isolation and virtually unlimited natural resources through our early history made us who we are. The dissent we were built on, after all, was about property-owning white men allowing themselves more rights while maintaining the european status quo and building their powerbase through a greater dependance on slave labor than ever before. Maybe its simply a mild and non-overt social /institutional sort of facsim that lead virtually every American ever to believe they have to assert their love of country every time they complain about its politics. Just ribbing you. I like your posts and America is grand.

kdsub -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 3:26:35 PM)
It would be easy to generalize with this question and think…subs liberal and Doms conservative, but of course it would be wrong. But I’ll bet there are a few with Republican personal liberty and privacy beliefs, that are fighting with the moral and religious issues of the lifestyle. Maybe not come to think of it, they do seem to have a way of saying one thing and doing another…lol YESSSSSSSS as I spread my arms and wait for the flames! Butch

Cuckme4Life -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 3:35:58 PM)
Interesting question: For myself, i prefer to think as an independent. Neither party seems to appeal to me enough to claim a side nor to influence me to any activism. Sometimes the Repubs can totally piss me off and scare the hell out of me. And other times the Demos do the exact same thing. Either way, as long as they are not influencing busting down doors because someone is on their knees sucking a dick or whatever else people do in privacy, i dont concern myself with party dogma. A bit crude language on my part but thats how i see it. As for the current selection of candidates, I really want to get on my knees behind Hillary and kiss that sexy ass. Hillary 4 DommeMistress of America HELL YEAH!!!

SeanPony -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 4:10:14 PM)
I don't waste any time with politics. Too busy fucking and getting fucked up to give one fuck as this country goes to hell. "When all else fails, vote from the rooftops" Hah Party on!

feastie -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 4:25:52 PM)
No.

RumpusParable -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 5:37:55 PM)
I don't think they influence my politics so much as my politics, my interests, and my lifestyle in all aspects are completely and indistinguishably intertwined. Being the person I am is what shapes my politics and I wouldn't be the same person if I held different political beliefs.

Cuckme4Life -> RE: Does your kink influence your activism/politics? (8/22/2007 5:43:33 PM)
But i will say this about party politics. i would concern myself with the MORAL MAJORITY part of the Repubs to try cracking down on anything beyond vanilla behavior and sexual preferences. Does the Demos even have a equivalent to them?

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