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kittinSol -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 11:38:16 AM)

Haaaaaaaaaa rugby... now you're talking! Rugby rules: all those REAL men SLAMMING IT IN to each other. There's nothing like it.

Plus, stupendously, rugby is a sport where the players actually have a sense of honour. (I had to suffer through the footy world cup 2006 and the final was painful, to say the least. Then again, I was surrounded by jingoistic French hysterics who kept on screaming. The journey home was tense: the few italians that were celebrating - we were in the Var region, which is very close to Italy - risked their lives by flowing their flag out of their cars.)

That's the problem with footy: people attach nationalistic qualities to a game. It spoils it, for me, this tendency to clan up together and against the adversary. What's wrong with being cool? Haaaaaaaaaaaa... nothing like rugby, I tell ya.



Babybass -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 11:57:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Haaaaaaaaaa rugby... now you're talking! Rugby rules: all those REAL men SLAMMING IT IN to each other. There's nothing like it.



Hmmm - big men in shorts slamming into each other and getting all muddy - hmmm!!!  
Yes - not to mention the skill and speed of a rugby match. And REAL men play rugby - a soccer player cuts his head and he's out for a month - a rugby player straps it to stop the bleeding and gets back into it!!
Also Rugby players tend to be less yobbish.



seeksfemslave -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 12:10:35 PM)

Beckham is not a has been, tho' past his best, what he was designed to do he still does well. ie cross the ball so accurately that he could drop it exactly where he wants As for some of those free kick goals he scored. Superb.

If MissyRaine is American and is complaining about being "looks conscious", well that takes the biscuit that does, or should I say cookie.

Not every body is designed to be an (ex) hairy clogger like NG lol
Some belong with beautiful people  like David Victoria and Me.

Just seen the comment about Rugby being a game of honour.
Big sourires from me.
Grab his ghoulies, bite his ears "accidently" step on his face when five other men are lying on top of him. Tackle him round the neck. Reach up thru' the scrum and punch his lights out.
David would never do that lol



kittinSol -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 12:17:53 PM)

Let's talk!!!



Babybass -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 12:38:58 PM)

Think rugby is a better use of the thread than DB - don't you? My favorite player at the moment is I think Ronan O'Garra or Peter Stringer (both on the Irish team) - of course if going just for size and looks - Matt Stephens (plays for Bath, i think) - what about you?? 



MissyRane -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 12:51:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
If MissyRaine is American and is complaining about being "looks conscious", well that takes the biscuit that does, or should I say cookie.

Well he's attractive sure he aint ugly..far from being my type though he's a little bit girlish in my opinion, he's got a good body tho[:)]
but no I aint american soz

rugby is fun to watch but heck it's not shown on TV here....don't know any players by name either I just watch (when I can) and choose a team by who's winning [:D]



Politesub53 -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 1:24:16 PM)

NG....It`s odd how things are linked. You spoke of the first final in 12 years, that game in 73 was won with a cracking volley by Ian Porterfield, then when you won in 92 Porterfield was our manager, maybe the best we had between Sexton in the 70s and Ranieri.

Back in around 1971 i hitched to Sunderland and back in mid winter....for a 0-0 draw. I can recall the Sunderland fans massing outside Roker Park and kindly giving us tea and biscuits as we walked to the station.

Good luck this season, Quinn is a great chairman in my opinion, he came across a plane load of Sunderland fans whose flight had been cancelled at Bristol Airport, and paid for taxis to take them all home...... Good enough for me [;)]



seeksfemslave -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 2:55:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissyRane
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
If MissyRaine is American and is complaining about being "looks conscious", well that takes the biscuit that does, or should I say cookie.

Well he's attractive sure he aint ugly..far from being my type though he's a little bit girlish in my opinion, he's got a good body tho[:)]
but no I aint american soz

I think you missed the point there Missy or I didn't make it very well. America is totally, absolutely and completely "looks obsessed" therefore to criticize Beckham  and so on and so on
As an example could Gerard Depardieu (sp?) get employed in Hollywood.?
Thats why most Hollywood stars cant act for peanuts and all the good acting comes from the supporting "character" actors who have to rely on their skills to get jobs.
Martin Balsam is one that comes to mind .
Ernest Borgnine is another. Lots of others I just cant recall their names
Wimmen have got no chance once their looks fade or they never had them in the first place.



farglebargle -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 4:15:55 PM)

Bea Arthur and Kathy Bates.




seeksfemslave -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 4:28:31 PM)

Well I think Bea Arthur and the other three ladies in the Golden Girls exemplify my point. About looks consciousness I mean.
The three main characters Betty White Rue Maclanahan (sp?)  and Bea Arthur and the whole setting were glamourised to an impossible totally unrealistic degree. A European production would have been far more downbeat and probably less successful.

Kathy Bates I dont know.



kittinSol -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 4:37:29 PM)

I swoon over the All Blacks. Always have. There's something about the Kiwis... just pure rawness... And when I think I'm not particularly into 'manly men' (except for my husband)!

Shame rugby hardly ever plays on American television: I wonder how I can get the BBC here in the colonies. I mean, baseball's definitely got its limitations. It's sports viewed through a Walt Disney lense [8D] .




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 8:11:34 PM)

Because hes a hottie. [:)]



TheHeretic -> RE: David Beckham (8/18/2007 8:28:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

I wouldn't have a clue what film he was in. Did you enjoy it?




        The film was called Bend it like Beckham.  He was only in it as a reference and a cameo.  Kind of an "afterschool special," peace and tolerance, bit of fluff.  Kiera Knightly in shorts.



NorthernGent -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 12:34:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

he WAS the best soccer player



He was never, and never will be, anywhere near the top 10 best footballers in England, let alone wider Europe. He must have a quality spin machine over there in the US.


I blame the soccer teams in Los Angeles for hiring him.  Rather than picking up good players and building a team, they hire has-beens like Beckham and Gretsky for a huge percentage of their payroll, then wonder why the teams never win.



The thing with Beckham....they could have signed 3 or 4 decent players for that sort of money, and they would have made a far bigger impact on the team. Maybe Caitlyn's got it about right with the marketing: he's there to drum up interest in this sport: FIFA would love to tap into the American market, but I reckon it's just a bridge too far.

'Was reading a report this morning, and, apparently, it was a right match.....5-4 to the New York lot. Becham did well, apparently, 'put some hard graft in and played well. Aren't the Los Angeles team bottom of the league or something? Hopefully, you have promotion and relegation and Beckham's team will go down, it'll bring a smile to my face, anyway......poncing around on a billion dollars a week and all that.

There's a photo in the newspaper of an American lad in the crowd holding up a banner saying "You get paid for doing nothing". He's not far wrong, but I thought we were supposed to be the polite lot? We had a player here, Teddy Sheringham, a few years ago. He played for Tottenham, and then signed for Manchester United with the reason given by the player being "I'm moving to the best club in the country to win medals" (trophies/cups). The next season United won no trophies for the first time in about 10 years, so Sheringham won no medals. When he played for Manchester United against Tottenham that season, a 40,000 crowd were taking the piss singing (to a well known English tune) "Oh, Teddy, Teddy, went to Man United and you've won fuck all".......that season, though, United cleaned up: they won the three main trophies in England and Europe, so Sheringham won his 3 medals. So, when United played at Tottenham the following season, 40,000 people were singing to him "Oh, Teddy, Teddy, you've won three medals, but you're still a cunt".....Yeah, I know, small minds etc :-).......football's just one of those tribal affairs, I suppose.



NorthernGent -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 1:17:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

That's the problem with footy: people attach nationalistic qualities to a game. It spoils it, for me, this tendency to clan up together and against the adversary.



That's not quite true. As we know, football (until 10 years ago) was a working class game, and, traditionally, the working classes in England have thrown their lot in with the left. Many of the fighters in the Anti-Nazi league were football lads. 

I would estimate that football is less nationalistic than rugby. The reason being that football fans reserve their hostility for other English teams. I've followed my club around the country, but I've never paid to watch England and never will do. In fact, England doesn't really interest me, and the same goes for everyone else I know who watches football regularly. Football has its roots in the community, the club represents that community, and, at its core, that is a big attraction: the local community as opposed to the nation. Quite frankly, when it comes to England and the World Cup, it bores the tits off me, and most people I know, as the game is hijacked for a month by too many people who know nothing about football. It's like a beano for them; 'just an excuse to go to the pub, wear daft party hats and watch on a big screen knowing there's going to be a load of women around - in other words, England the team is a sham.

Rugby, on the otherhand, is the sport of the royals and their ilk. The people who play the game (and many watching) are private school educated, which in itself is no crime, but there's more of an attachment to England the nation, the middle-classes tend to feel a sense of belonging to England.....ever heard god save the queen sung at Twickenham? Yeah, it doesn't spill over into the violence that used to be common in football, but I'd suggest that the violence involved in football is blokes letting off a bit of steam rather than any jingoism, but the more (apparently) "civilised" air of rugby is tinged with an undercurrent of "Rule Britannia". I suppose, it depends what you use as a measure of "nationalism".

I suppose there's an element of background to this: as I was raised in a working class environment, that's where my loyaties lie; based on your post, maybe your situation is different, leading thus to an alternative opinion. Either way, rugby is an awful, mess of a sport......how's that for nailing my colours to the mast :-)

P.S. all sports are about "clanning up"......the Romans can tell us a thing or two about it with their version, where supporters sat at opposite ends of the stadium......pretty much the same thing today.



NorthernGent -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 1:36:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

I wouldn't have a clue what film he was in. Did you enjoy it?




       The film was called Bend it like Beckham.  He was only in it as a reference and a cameo.  Kind of an "afterschool special," peace and tolerance, bit of fluff.  Kiera Knightly in shorts.


Oh, yeah, heard of it, but haven't see any previews or anything.



wandersalone -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 2:50:49 AM)

I imagine that most of the people who are going to watch the games know more about Victoria Beckham's many hairstyles than they do about soccer and are hoping to get a glimpse of some of the other celebrities that seem to have latched on to Posh and Becks.  I bet many will think that 'offside' refers to how Victoria parts her hair. [:D]



Politesub53 -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 3:58:33 AM)

My guess is someone at LA Galaxy realised what a money spinner " Team Beckham " would be. It`s no coincidence that they have a new kit this season. Sales of replica shirts, more people wanting to watch due to the Beckham factor. Extra revenue from TV companies. All that before winning a match.
[;)]



Vampyrefledgling -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 11:38:45 AM)

Why is he attracting so much attention? He's David Beckham! Whatever he is now, he was an incredible footballer and I, personally would love to see him play, even if it is for an American club. This is how Americans play sports, we build a team around players instead of around the game itself. That is how the NBA, NFL, the NHL is recently following that trend and baseball as well. Now we are trying to build football in this country and doing so by bringing in a superstar. Too bad you don't win on looks alone...

~Fledgling



seeksfemslave -> RE: David Beckham (8/19/2007 2:54:15 PM)

 
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my man NG
As we know, football (until 10 years ago) was a working class game, and, traditionally, the working classes in England have thrown their lot in with the left.


NG I've told you before about this sentimental hogwash 
The UK working classes contain the most  reactionary hard line elements of society.
Get a grip my son and listen to Daddy



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