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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/15/2007 10:22:55 AM   
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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/15/2007 10:25:57 AM   
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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/15/2007 10:33:22 AM   
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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/15/2007 10:34:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dsjen

Sarijane's recent post brought this question to mind:

Do slaves top? If they do wouldn't they be called switches then? Or would it just be a slave switching? And if a slave tends to top frequently, then are they  a slave, switch, or subbie? Does it depend on who they top (say Master or just another slave)?

Can anyone provide any examples of slaves topping, or is it just us subbies and switches that enjoy being the occasional top?


I am an owned submissive, I don't like being called a slave for personal reasons.

My profile says that I'm a switch... It's just the closest fit for me... There wasn't a catagory for Service Top.

When I play I will top other people, I will also top myself sometimes... I'll have a scene with myself... I don't top just subs or switches or doms. I will top who ever wants to play with me in that way.

I am a service top. I top for my bottoms enjoyment. I also like to play with people who top from the bottom, so that I know that they are getting what they want out of it.

I will fuck you up and make you bleed, but if you don't enjoy it, I would rather not play in that way at all.

I get off from serving people.

I have never topped Master... he will not even allow me to see him bottom to another... it would mess with my submissive head space.

But when it comes to others, I will top.

Topping in a scene is diffrent the switching between Dom and sub... It is not something I do outside of the dungion... and of course Master has to give permission before I top or bottom to anyone in play.

Shylah

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/15/2007 11:40:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

Do slaves top?

Sometimes. 

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If they do wouldn't they be called switches then? Or would it just be a slave switching? And if a slave tends to top frequently, then are they  a slave, switch, or subbie? Does it depend on who they top (say Master or just another slave)?

No.  Switch is an orientation- both dominant and submissive.

Topping isn't the same as being a dominant.
quote:


Can anyone provide any examples of slaves topping, or is it just us subbies and switches that enjoy being the occasional top?

Umm you have a slave.  She goes to top someone else. 

Once you break the idea that topping = dominant, you'll see that being a slave and topping doesn't involve switching at all.



Thank you, LA, from one of those dominants who occasionally chooses to bottom, and who is by no means a "closet sub" (or any other kind of closet watercraft, for that matter).

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 12:09:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

No.  Switch is an orientation- both dominant and submissive.

Topping isn't the same as being a dominant.

Once you break the idea that topping = dominant, you'll see that being a slave and topping doesn't involve switching at all.



So switching between top and bottom isn't switching? I think there's way too much emphasis on the whole idea of switching "having" to refer to D and s-types. It doesn't "have" to. It can.

Switching can be from top to bottom or vice versa or from D-type to s-type or vice versa.

Or any odd combo of the above.

I don't like narrow defanitions of things...it tends to mean that someone is trying to put a helluva lable on things.

Then again this is coming from a person who identifies as a:
servantboibottomsadomasochistictopdaddy-type

(in order of importance and occurance and all)

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 7:05:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
So switching between top and bottom isn't switching? I think there's way too much emphasis on the whole idea of switching "having" to refer to D and s-types. It doesn't "have" to. It can.

When I use the term switch, it's always in reference to a Ds switch.  I always use "SM switch" to denote otherwise.

One can switch (verb) from top to bottom but since I don't consider those hard core orientations, it's a lot more like a slave switching from telling their kids to do their chores and homework and then going to kneel in front of their slave.  There's not actually any orientational inner change of perspective going on from being A dominant to A slave (noun).

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 7:27:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmmm...that's where "hardcore" becomes a term of judgement I feel. I know some pretty hardcore tops and bottoms who take their D/s quite seriously. Just because they don't fit into the typical ideal of what D/s is "supposed" to look like doesn't mean they aren't hard core. Being a switch in terms of Top and bottom doesn't mean that they aren't "hardcore" in their D/s no matter what positions they have for play. Can someone honestly tell me that a s-type who has problems with the idea of administering pain to anyone is not as much of a s-type because they "service top" their D-type? I mean their told to right? In most normal situations they bottom...is it still not switching from their standard routine? And if they are wouldn't that make them a "switch"?

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 7:31:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
hmmm...that's where "hardcore" becomes a term of judgement I feel. I know some pretty hardcore tops and bottoms who take their D/s quite seriously.

I didn't say the ACTIVITY wasn't hardcore, I said the ORIENTATION was hard core.

And I never said one can't be a SM switch AND a Ds switch- or top AND slave or bottom AND master or any of that.  I'd probably be the last person on earth to suggest that.
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Just because they don't fit into the typical ideal of what D/s is "supposed" to look like doesn't mean they aren't hard core. Being a switch in terms of Top and bottom doesn't mean that they aren't "hardcore" in their D/s no matter what positions they have for play. Can someone honestly tell me that a s-type who has problems with the idea of administering pain to anyone is not as much of a s-type because they "service top" their D-type? I mean their told to right? In most normal situations they bottom...is it still not switching from their standard routine? And if they are wouldn't that make them a "switch"?

I dunno.  You do realize I am a switch and consider myself a slave/dominant/top/bottom/sadist/princess/slut?  The OP is the one who seems to have trouble understanding how people can "cross lines" and still be completely within their orientation, not me.

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 8:05:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's my two cents on the subject....

Many people would swear or have the false believe us Doms were not into experiencing any sensations at all.

Personally, I love and enjoy a good back massage.  Now somebody has to be on top of me working their fingers deep into my skin right?  But just because I'm laying there on the bottom, moaning and drooling at my mouth, does this make me submissive?  Hahahaha...

If I request for a sub/slave to give me a back massage, I'm still in charge and control over WTF is going on.  Down to harder, lower, softer and whatnot.  However, if I say just do it and use your imagination.  It's because I simply want to relax and enjoy it without putting a damn thought into it.   Basically, I just want to unwind and not want to micromanage my own friggen massage.

When I have a sub top me for a massage, It's my option to micromanage the whole session or not.  Perhaps, I might step in from time to time with occasionally micromanage what is going on.  However, if she knows what I enjoy (has been trained) chances are she'll know exactly what to do.    That's part of the training concept.   You simply teach somebody what the fuck to do, so you don't have to micromanage everything.

Now, if you can equate a good back flogger with a massage, then you'll start to see things in a somewhat different light.   Just because I enjoy a good back flogger, does not mean I enjoy or want my BALLS tortured.   Difference between enjoyable and not so enjoyable pain for me.   Some people simply enjoy specific types of pain in certain places. 

I'm not submitting myself and my body to another person to do whatever the fuck they want.  I'm having somebody do something to me, that I find pleasing to ME. I'm having them do EXACTLY what I WANT, and WHEN I WANT IT.  Does this sound submissive to you?  hahaha...

If I have somebody down on their knees, worshiping my body...  Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... working my cock over with their hands, mouth.. and I want to feel them bite a little, or tell them to wrap their fingers around it and squeeze, Damn it, I expect for this to happen.   What if I just want to be laying down in bed, instead of standing on my feet, with her above me, doing this?  Just because I'm laying down and she's physically on top of things does not make me submissive.   She's giving me Exactyly What I want, when I want it, how I want it, where I want it.

If she's been Trained (taught) well enough, I won't have to micromanage the whole session.   Again, micromanagement of what is going on is available to me at any time.  Just because I say that's too hard, do it a little softer, does not imply I'm using a safe word.  I'm simply telling them what to do different and when to please me. 

Don't get me wrong, I love to top, spank ass, pull hair, and do all kinds of nasty, kinky, pervy things.   I do have moments when I want to be on the recieving end of experiencing a sensation.

Again, people would swear us Doms are not into experiencing any physical sensations at all, this is a bit of a false belief.  




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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 8:12:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am sure we all  remember from our assorted ancient history classes that ancient roman holiday of Saturnalia.  When slaves become Masters, the Master the slave.  Or asJay Wisemen (S/M 101), holds if I order you to dominant me I am still in control.  I myself though I dominate with fire and fury, sometimes still get a strange urge to suck toe when a especially soft and pretty feminine pair of feet present themselfs.  No one is 100% anything all the time.  If they say they are their a poser in my book. 

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 8:24:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodandplenty

I am sure we all remember from our assorted ancient history classes that ancient roman holiday of Saturnalia. When slaves become Masters, the Master the slave.


Good definition on the surface level.

Primarily it seems to be a get out of the house for a few hours thing for some slaves in some households. Can't think of a single example from literature where the roles were really reversed but some describe drunken parties of slaves or organized parties on the estate or in the house or sitting at the table to eat with a master or just plain excused from some work.

I suspect slaves would be a bit cautious about doing anything with the masters themselves because the next day it's back to the normal grind. In institutional and historical slavery pissing off the master could have life threatening results so unless a slave was feeling suicidal they'd probably avoid lording over anyone with authority too much.

Crap, I did it again and let my historian take over...

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 8:30:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodandplenty

I am sure we all  remember from our assorted ancient history classes that ancient roman holiday of Saturnalia.  When slaves become Masters, the Master the slave.  Or asJay Wisemen (S/M 101), holds if I order you to dominant me I am still in control.  I myself though I dominate with fire and fury, sometimes still get a strange urge to suck toe when a especially soft and pretty feminine pair of feet present themselfs.  No one is 100% anything all the time.  If they say they are their a poser in my book. 


Some people are 100% one thing within their relationships orientation wise and are not posers or making it up.  Not everyone wants to switch (or whatever its called).

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 8:59:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: goodandplenty

No one is 100% anything all the time.  If they say they are their a poser in my book.

That's funny, I feel the same way about people who need to quote Jay Wiseman to try and prove a point.

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 10:34:45 AM   
felicitousdove


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Status: offline 		I ama slave to Master Hawk, and a submissive to Ms. Debra. I occassionally enjoy Topping. Ms Debra is a Switch. She is owned by One, and is Dominant with all others.

Occassionly Master Hawk will allow me to Top other submissives or bottoms for a scene, for my pleasure as well as the pleasure he gains from watching.

Ms Debra occassionally likes it when i Top her. However, i veiw it as a service i provide for her. I am not On Top.. or in control, She is.. even if i am the one weilding the crop. Make sense?

Even when Topping whether it be Topping my Mistress or when Master Hawk allows met o top another sub or bottom- i am still always a slave. Just an owned person who enjoys the odd moment or two when she is allowed the privledge of Topping.

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 11:55:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a slave and I have topped females on occassions over the years because my Master requested it. I've never thought of myself as a switch. Just doing as one's told.

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RE: Slaves topping? - 8/16/2007 5:11:59 PM   
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