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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 11:11:12 AM

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Republicans are the ones with more power at the moment. Democrats are afforded the luxury of critizing them over anything that goes wrong in the world, even when they have a hand in it.

whine ,whine,whine....Here,I`ll play a violin for you <softly rubs thumb and index finger tips together>

Two things.
1. Where's the whining?
2. Why are you having your fingers molest eachother? Think of the children!

Edit: There was going to be three things. Then I thought about the fingers molesting eachother and sort of ran off. So now it's two things. Tough break!

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 11:51:27 AM

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I have yet to hear anyone, anyone at all, criticizing the Democratic Party for its attempts to shred the Constitution.

Well this is most likely because the ones who would be doing the criticizing would be the Republicans and they don't want to open that can of worms. Not after how they have been doing such an efficient job of negating the Constitution since 2000. In that arena they make the Democratics look like amateurs.

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 12:38:12 PM

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I would like to see the electoral collage removed and ended.

The electoral collage was created in a time, when news and info traveled as slow as the fastest horse.We don`t need it now.

It would strengthen our representative-democracy and make for less shenanigans.

Wont happen. The electoral college is part of state rights and you will never get 2/3rds of the states to agree to abolish it.

Also according to Article 2, Section 1...each state has the right to run their elections. So the federal government is not permitted to get involved in that.

It has nothing to do with the speed of news...it has to do with state rights.

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 6:48:45 PM

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Or how about the Democrat voting tricks?

Does the DNC have a voodoo witch-doctor on their payroll? Because for some reason they are able to get dead people to the polls and cast votes for their candidates.

Or how about the crap about making sure that pollworkers don't have to check IDs before being allowed to vote. And spare me the absolute BS that it prevents the poor to vote. You know how much it costs to get a photo ID? $10 bucks. In fact some states said they would give it for free and the Dems STILL wouldn't accept that.

FREE people don't carry ID. That's for slaves who must obey their master's demand they carry papers.

All the issues you bring up PALE beside the crooked electronic voting machines. You know, the ones California just tested, which ALL were vulnerable to the simplest of exploits, and de-certified?

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 7:46:48 PM

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I would like to see the electoral collage removed and ended.

The electoral collage was created in a time, when news and info traveled as slow as the fastest horse.We don`t need it now.

It would strengthen our representative-democracy and make for less shenanigans.

Wont happen. The electoral college is part of state rights and you will never get 2/3rds of the states to agree to abolish it.

Also according to Article 2, Section 1...each state has the right to run their elections. So the federal government is not permitted to get involved in that.

It has nothing to do with the speed of news...it has to do with state rights.

You`re correct. There`s 50 different sets of election rules,one for each state.

Is there any way to have a straight up and down vote?

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 7:58:01 PM

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If the president were elected by the popular vote then we wouldn't be a republic. The founding fathers didn't chose that option.

To quote Benjamin Franklin, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 8:09:43 PM

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FREE people don't carry ID. That's for slaves who must obey their master's demand they carry papers.

Try that arguement when you try to cash a check or get a mortgage or rent a car or get on a plane. Free people that want to positively identify themselves carry that ID. Otherwise that free person can sit their ass on the couch and it's not a problem. If you can be required to provide id for financial transactions I don't think that it's a Freedom issue to require positive ID in order to excersise on of our most important rights. Of course after the Motor Voter act it's somewhat immaterial.

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/15/2007 8:28:46 PM

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Try that arguement when you try to cash a check

Doesn't your bank know who you are on sight?

MINE DOES.

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or get a mortgage or rent a car or get on a plane. Free people that want to positively identify themselves carry that ID.

They're deluding themselves if they think they're free. They sound to me like OBEDIENT SLAVES.

Of course, your RULERS, when they get off the chartered airplane ( No TSA checks or waiting ) get into a towncar ( again, without needing to show any id. )

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Otherwise that free person can sit their ass on the couch and it's not a problem. If you can be required to provide id for financial transactions I don't think that it's a Freedom issue to require positive ID in order to excersise on of our most important rights. Of course after the Motor Voter act it's somewhat immaterial.

We HAVE positive ID.

I go to polling place.

They ask my name.

I tell them.

They ask me to SIGN THE VOTING REGISTER.

THEY COMPARE MY SIGNATURE AGAINST THE ONE ON FILE.

And then I vote.

What the hell do people need to carry ID for? They Dept of Elections HAS your signature from when you registered!

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RE: So how do the Dems get off so easily? - 8/16/2007 12:57:54 AM

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Not to burst your bubble or anything, but our whole election set-up is a narrow two-party system. The Constitution and the electoral college serve to keep it this way. Hence, if you genuinely want some kind of federal electoral reform, changing the Constitution would be a good place to start.

Uhm, not really... the Constitution made no mention of political parties. Article 2 even specifically mentioned reducing the list of candidates to the top 5 in the event that none have a majority. The electoral college system has been manipulated over time by the political parties to build their own strength, but that is not at all the way it was envisioned. Personally, i blame the media for helping to perpetuate the two-evils system.

Here is some Constitutional background:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html

The Republicans really have run roughshod over the Constitution in recent years, suppressing freedom of expression, and carving big chunks out of Fourth and Fifth Amendment protections. When the Dems are in control, they usually zero right on the Second Amendment, and take their own swipes at the First. You should have heard the howling when Clinton signed the "Assault Weapons Ban" in 1994, and the pro-gun folks are always quick to raise the call when someone like Boxer or Fineswine proposes another mess.

Let me close by saying: Vote Libertarian

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