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Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 2:08:18 PM

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Frequent tours for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have stressed the all-volunteer force and made it worth considering a return to a military draft, President Bush's new war adviser said Friday.

"I think it makes sense to certainly consider it," Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's "All Things Considered."

"And I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table. But ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another," Lute added in his first interview since he was confirmed by the Senate in June.

President Nixon abolished the draft in 1973. Restoring it, Lute said, would be a "major policy shift" and Bush has made it clear that he doesn't think it's necessary.

The repeated deployments affect not only the troops but their families, who can influence whether a service member decides to stay in the military, Lute said.

"There's both a personal dimension of this, where this kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living room conversations within these families," he said. "And ultimately, the health of the all- volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions."

The military conducted a draft during the Civil War and both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. The Selective Service System, re- established in 1980, maintains a registry of 18-year-old men.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has called for reinstating the draft as a way to end the Iraq war.

Bush picked Lute in mid-May as a deputy national security adviser with responsibility for ensuring efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan are coordinated with policymakers in Washington. Lute, an active-duty general, was chosen after several retired generals turned down the job.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 2:09:16 PM

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 2:19:42 PM

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I saw this report earlier.... if the draft were brought back, I wonder how the public would react?

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 6:29:06 PM

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THERE WILL NEVER... NEVER... NEVER...

as long as there is the smallest chance of inducting a homosexual...

NEVER BE A DRAFT.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 6:38:24 PM

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there goes "Freedom of choice"

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 8:49:36 PM

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Yay, I'm all for it. Let's draft Jenna Bush to suck PFC cock in the rec room.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 9:45:12 PM

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I'm not in favor of a draft. 100% required national military service with no ability to defer or otherwise protect anyone from combat is something I'm completely in favor of. The day the graduating class of Grosse Pointe South High School marches onto a troop train bound for boot camp is the day our involvement in the Iraqi civil war ends.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 9:50:11 PM

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Yay, I'm all for it. Let's draft Jenna Bush to suck PFC cock in the rec room.

That kinda thinking right there?

That just ain't only good for america, it is also pretty hot, and I think would play well in the Kremlin.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 9:53:51 PM

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i think the US just needs to drop this whole thing and bring it's people home. it's gone on for too long.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/11/2007 10:10:40 PM

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i think the US just needs to drop this whole thing and bring it's people home. it's gone on for too long.

Amen!

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 4:39:53 AM

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quote:

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I'm not in favor of a draft. 100% required national military service with no ability to defer or otherwise protect anyone from combat is something I'm completely in favor of. The day the graduating class of Grosse Pointe South High School marches onto a troop train bound for boot camp is the day our involvement in the Iraqi civil war ends.

I completely agree.

Not just as a pun; I believe that all citizens should be required a minimum 1 year national service; be it military or domestic. People tend to have a much stronger interest in a nation they feel they contributed to.

And no, college and internships for President Clinton don't count.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 5:52:40 AM

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I saw this report earlier.... if the draft were brought back, I wonder how the public would react?

AnencephalyBoy cannot bring it back without Congress. Classic case of the toes you stomp on today may
be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow.

I imagine anybody who voted for it would be looking for work next election.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 6:38:56 AM

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we don't need a draft, the surge is working, we are winning the war on terror. Condie 's got it handled, Dick is not a dick.

listen to your president, you are getting sleepy

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 6:48:56 AM

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quote:

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THERE WILL NEVER... NEVER... NEVER...

as long as there is the smallest chance of inducting a homosexual...

NEVER BE A DRAFT.

Even if there is a draft, everybody they are trying to induct will simply switch teams for their induction day and get sent home.

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.

Excepting Alice.

(she is on the other team)

Sinergy

p.s. As John Stewart pointed out, the current administration will do anything to defeat Al Qaeda, except let a homosexual help do it.

Edited to add the John Stewart thing and wrong use of their/there.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 6:51:10 AM

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Not in the year 2k7.

You're going to have gays who DEMAND to serve when inducted.

And when you send them home, the Selective Service will get sued.

Ah... Good times...

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 6:56:41 AM

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Not arguing with you, farglebargle.

The Neo-Cons worst nightmare is being realized.

They have tried to stomp out homosexuality their entire time in power. Fought them bitterly in court, etc.

They have gotten us involved in an insane war where they need everybody to help.

They have handed homosexuals the perfect (and fitting) issue to force society and the government to show them the respect they deserve.

They have two choices. Neither one works out for them.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 7:12:39 AM

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Is this the best you guys can say about this. We don't need a draft, throw some more coin in the kitty and the recruits will turn up in groves. Hell they have managed to beat the rural and urban ecomy to death with rirdiculous fuel prices. Even if you have a job in the civilian sector you can't afford to drive to the damn thing. The military is a good job where your bedroom is at work. For the young folk anyway.

Besides, I don't want a conscript with me if I don't have to. They tend to have terrible attitudes. Kinda like you all do. I have a son taking off to Iraq next week. Well, to his Kuwait refresher course on the IEDs and tactical adjustments and then into the sandbox. The unit that just returned had an exceptional retention rate, it seems these big bonus incentives are the key, so perhaps the combat duty isn't as scary for our warriors as it is for the whiners here in the comforts of home.

If you want to expand the force, pull open the purse strings. Hell a draft just spend loads of money training men that are pains in the ass while their in and most are gone after a two year hitch. Wasted coin as I say. Training a troop to operate todays waepons sysytems and support equipment cost a great deal and to waste training monies on folks that won't give you solid effort is bad business.

As for bringing them home Michael, stop with the crap. Men should accept responsibility for the messes they have created and the Middle East has been a mess the western world created at the end of WWII, it's time we stood by our word and become accountable for those words and our actions. That is why these IED crafting assholes are impowered to fight on, they know we have a reputation of going back on our word, picking up and leaving when the going gets tough, we have been tiurning our backs on OUR problems since.................ohhhh, forever...

Why is it our problem? Let's just ponder several names.......Isreal, Sadam, The Shah, Beruit, Hostage, Bin Laden in the Russian/Afgan years. Should we continue? This is just the trash heap dumped in Bush's lap, and until we start acting like responsible adults and facing OUR problems, drafts, cut and runs, bombs or lying ass politicians are of no value. We have to establish credibility and people have to know we mean what we say and that we aren't simply in this for ourselves.

Are we a modern Sparta (300) or do we stick our heads in the sand and offer our ass to the world.

You really want to win this war, make you noise about No more oil usage, make the cars and trucks that burn alternative fuels, create an infrastructure that can maintain these new forms of transport. You want to stop the Iranians and Hugo from driving the enemies of the west forward. CUT THEIR PURSE STRINGS. It might take awhile, but that's nothing new.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 7:15:32 AM

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Kinda petty to think this is all about the homo sexual agenda isn't it?

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 7:31:57 AM

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Kinda petty to think this is all about the homo sexual agenda isn't it?

Bull

I have not once called you names, Bull, although you have not bothered to show me the same courtesy. Let me know if you would like me to cut and past the peurile insults from your posts for you.

I hope that works out for you.

I dont think it is about the homosexual agenda directly, although there is a connection.

I find your insistence that we in the United States are the ultimate cause of what is happening in the middle east to be correct, although I disagree with the path you took to get there.

Finally, I have posted elsewhere that the US should go with energy independence and let everybody else eat their dead dinosaurs. So I agree completely with your last statements.

Please feel free to continue to hurl insults at me, my political views, and my education and knowledge of modern US military and social history.

Sinergy

p.s. Please give my respect and support to your loved ones who are serving over there, my quarrel is with the idiots who started this thing, not with those tasked to see it through.

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RE: Bush's war advisor says draft should be considered - 8/12/2007 7:44:52 AM

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Not speaking directly about the draft but on a similar note, I pose a question. Is military service really all that bad. I look at so many young men and women today and consider the experience they could use with having to go through a disciplined lifestyle even if it's just for boot camp. I'd be the first to say the military isn't for a lot of people. However, it does force a bit of responsibility and maturaty to be considered in one's life. Many other countries require either college or military service. Would that be such a bad thing for the U.S.? What do you think?

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