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Huntingforaslave -> SUBSPACE (8/7/2007 11:43:23 PM)
I was talking with someone the other day and they talked about subspace. So I came to the message boards and read the articles about how this is kinda like a high where you can bring great pleasure to your sub. However, can someone please help me with how to get someone to there subspace? I am sure it must be different with each person but with all things there are a lot of common factors or ways to do. So any help would be nice....thanks

RCdc -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 2:27:29 AM)
It's an impossible question to answer. I can hit space for many different reasons. Dominants can hit space also - so be aware of that. The only suggestion I can say is to get to know your partner/plaything and know the buttons to push. Everyone is different and there isn't a common link in hitting subspace other than one of the causes is the natural chemical rush internally. And also be aware that more often than not - space is followed by drop - I would read up about what that is that also. Peace the.dark.

slaveish -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 3:34:11 AM)
I can get there from just talking. I can also come out of it from just talking. I can get there from pain. I can come out of it with pain. I can get there from intense body control, like during a scene in which I have to use a lot of strength, muscle control, and willpower. That can bring me out of space too. It's all a mindset, an altered state, and it can be fragile and elusive. It can also be dark and scary, like a bad trip, so dont focus on "getting someone into subspace." Focus on the pleasure of the interaction. You won't ever be disappointed that way.

becca333 -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 4:15:03 AM)
For me it's a mixture of particular implements, the right mindset, and breathing control. I need to be partly aroused, totally focussed on the action (not thinking about a thousand things at once, as I usually do), then I breathe with the strokes. And if it's all just right, and he's using the right implements, I'm in. Sometimes it takes a few minutes, sometimes just a single stroke. And sometimes I can't get there no matter what. So whenever I do, it's wonderful. I should probably start a new thread for this, but.... for those who do hit subspace regularly, it seems to me I keep finding new levels or aspects of it. There seem to be deeper kinds of subspace - or am I just more receptive some days?

SirMichealspeach -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 5:08:38 AM)
For me subspace usually comes from a combination of sexual arousal and breath control. Also if Master is whipping me the amount of warmup contributes...If He is in a mood where He dosen't do or does very little warmup, i will never hit space....He knows me and my body well enough that HE controlls subspace and when or if i go there.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 7:36:05 AM)
How do you make a woman orgasm? Don't focus on subspace as "a goal." Just go where the scene goes. http://www.collarchat.com/m_622770/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#622894 Crazy First Subspace http://www.collarchat.com/m_549476/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#549596 blocked out scene or inaccurate memory? http://www.collarchat.com/m_521560/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#521654 A question about "subspace" http://www.collarchat.com/m_514967/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#515095 Different views of subspace and subdrop http://www.collarchat.com/m_238766/mpage_2/key_subspace/tm.htm#280229 How quick do you go into subspace? http://www.collarchat.com/m_440912/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#441045 Was this subspace? http://www.collarchat.com/m_537506/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#537508 Subspace ?? What is SUBSPACE? Subspace...? Subspace Subspace can you control it? Subspace? Not talking subspace...or sub drop...so what is it? Subspace or just fantasy land? Subspace safe? Subspace or subdrop anyone? Subspace? (2) A thing called subspace

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 9:28:01 AM)
subspace = massive endorphine rush through out side stimulus

devotedslave78 -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 12:47:29 PM)
Been interested in power exchange for quite a while now, and most of my progress in understanding my submission came just about a year ago after experiencing subspace for the first time - it amazing! As you said, what brings about subspace varies from person to person. For me it involved the understanding that I am owned completely, physical discomfort (I would nto call it pain), a great degree of humiliation, and sexual arrousal (and tension from not being able to finish). Throughout this my Mistress was there, and her tone of voice and what she was saying got me into subspace. I do have my limits. Although it was never Her intention to have me break my limits (did not know that then and there though), in that state I could have done anyting for Her. I could brake any limit, and all it would take would be Her command. My heart was pounding, I had butterflies in my stomach, and I was overcome by emotion. It was like experiencing every single emotion all at once - and each was more intense than it has ever been. What can I say, it was pure bliss.

FullCircle -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 3:00:30 PM)
A friend of mine says that subspace is under the floor boards. From descriptions of subspace I tend to think of it as similar to driving a car where you get to your destination but you can’t recall how. Anyone subjected to repetitive stimulation will go into this state of mind and I don’t see it as being anything special if anything it signals a mind just before sleep. If you think sending your sub/slaves/whatnots to sleep is great then I’m happy for you but I’d prefer them to feel alive with energy.

AquaticSub -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/8/2007 3:16:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Huntingforaslave I was talking with someone the other day and they talked about subspace. So I came to the message boards and read the articles about how this is kinda like a high where you can bring great pleasure to your sub. However, can someone please help me with how to get someone to there subspace? I am sure it must be different with each person but with all things there are a lot of common factors or ways to do. So any help would be nice....thanks It's so variable! For me, I feel like I'm floating. Most of the time I just need to cling to Valyraen for awhile when it's all over. He pets my hair, tells me loves me, and is close as I come down. However, at a recent play party I was up on a cross for an hour. I couldn't walk on my own and had to be helped to the ground. Experience will help, but I really don't know how many common factors there on. At most places I've played there, there is a blanket or mat of some kind where a submissive can lay down and recover. Having water for them is also nice.

SubJordanTyler -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/11/2007 3:32:23 PM)
It's always the strap-on for me. The anticipation of being bent over and waiting for it to enter me.............then the feeling as the tip of it goes inside...........the sensation as it slides in and then eventually feeling her body touch mine as I take the entire length of it in me. It's right about there that I enter another space and relax entirely. It also opens me up more and allows her to move the strap-on as quick and as hard as she likes it with the least amount of resistance. It does still hurt, and can still hurt a lot, but I rarely ever scream out in pain because of being in the subspace. It's complete submission for me.

MaamJay -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/11/2007 4:18:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle A friend of mine says that subspace is under the floor boards. From descriptions of subspace I tend to think of it as similar to driving a car where you get to your destination but you can’t recall how. Anyone subjected to repetitive stimulation will go into this state of mind and I don’t see it as being anything special if anything it signals a mind just before sleep. If you think sending your sub/slaves/whatnots to sleep is great then I’m happy for you but I’d prefer them to feel alive with energy. No, it's NOTHING like that. I've done the driving to a destination and not knowing how etc ... that's just fatigue, lethargy or maybe distraction by having something else on My mind that I'm worrying about or simply just autopilot (went home to the wrong home after I'd moved house!). Nothing at all like subspace. subspace results from hormonal interplays ... firstly adrenalin (our fight or flight hormone) which puts us sort of into "presubspace" ... a bit of a rush, heightened state of alertness etc ... and then secondly a flood of endorphins (our pleasure hormones) which carry us into subspace itself ... where we might feel floaty or drifty, might actually have visions such as being in a beautiful place such as a garden, might even have an out-of-body experience and see ourselves being flogged etc ... or may feel totally focused and empowered and capable of moving the world if someone would give us a lever and a place to stand! It's true that some people coming out of subspace want to sleep, but that's more of a reaction to all the energy they burned up getting there and being there ... more often, people want to eat and drink to top up the reserves. Aftercare is important here in terms of providing for the sub's needs and taking time and effort to ground them carefully. And I agree, you do also need to read up on sub drop as, despite the best of aftercare, that can occur to some subs, sometimes, in some situations that are not always predictable. As a sub i love to go to subspace ... pain from impact play after gentle warm up is the easiest and most reliable way to send me there ... though i can go through bondage, through control, through gentle talking, even being shaved by Master will get me there now. i go through a noticeable "giggle stage" on the way (not everyone does though i have met another sub fem who does ... having the 2 of us at the same play party was hilarious!) ... and i can easily get to that stage from conversation with Master in a restaurant! Usually He wisely chooses not to take me any further in that particular situation. As a Domme I love taking My subs to subspace ... it is a pleasure to see their responses ... but it's not the be all and end all of My play. Maam Jay aka violet[A]

EvilCrimeLord -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/11/2007 4:31:26 PM)
Thanks for the insight MaamJay although I've seen it I have not experienced it.

FullCircle -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/11/2007 4:34:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaamJay quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle A friend of mine says that subspace is under the floor boards. From descriptions of subspace I tend to think of it as similar to driving a car where you get to your destination but you can’t recall how. Anyone subjected to repetitive stimulation will go into this state of mind and I don’t see it as being anything special if anything it signals a mind just before sleep. If you think sending your sub/slaves/whatnots to sleep is great then I’m happy for you but I’d prefer them to feel alive with energy. No, it's NOTHING like that. I've done the driving to a destination and not knowing how etc ... that's just fatigue, lethargy or maybe distraction by having something else on My mind that I'm worrying about or simply just autopilot (went home to the wrong home after I'd moved house!). Nothing at all like subspace. subspace results from hormonal interplays ... firstly adrenalin (our fight or flight hormone) which puts us sort of into "presubspace" ... a bit of a rush, heightened state of alertness etc ... and then secondly a flood of endorphins (our pleasure hormones) which carry us into subspace itself ... where we might feel floaty or drifty, might actually have visions such as being in a beautiful place such as a garden, might even have an out-of-body experience and see ourselves being flogged etc ... or may feel totally focused and empowered and capable of moving the world if someone would give us a lever and a place to stand! It's true that some people coming out of subspace want to sleep, but that's more of a reaction to all the energy they burned up getting there and being there ... more often, people want to eat and drink to top up the reserves. Aftercare is important here in terms of providing for the sub's needs and taking time and effort to ground them carefully. And I agree, you do also need to read up on sub drop as, despite the best of aftercare, that can occur to some subs, sometimes, in some situations that are not always predictable. As a sub i love to go to subspace ... pain from impact play after gentle warm up is the easiest and most reliable way to send me there ... though i can go through bondage, through control, through gentle talking, even being shaved by Master will get me there now. i go through a noticeable "giggle stage" on the way (not everyone does though i have met another sub fem who does ... having the 2 of us at the same play party was hilarious!) ... and i can easily get to that stage from conversation with Master in a restaurant! Usually He wisely chooses not to take me any further in that particular situation. As a Domme I love taking My subs to subspace ... it is a pleasure to see their responses ... but it's not the be all and end all of My play. Maam Jay aka violet[A] opps

slaverosebeauty -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/11/2007 8:09:22 PM)
Subspace is a tricky thing. For me, I go into 'lowspace' {just before you reach subspace} seeing rope, daggers, chains, etc. Just hearing MJ's voice can do it as well. I work with a bunch of guys in the warehouse at times, and they are ALWAYS tieing something up, I have to fight to stay focused and NOT get that 'glazed' look on my face. Last week one of them came to my desk an I wasn't there, when he finally found me, he said "I'm going to tie you to your desk so I can find yuo next time." If he ONLY knew what that did to me. lol As for how to get someone to subspace, its individual. MJ has gotten me to that edge a few times, different meathods. I have reached subspace via oral {giving and receiving}, bondage, spanking, the list goes on an on. Most of it depends on how I feel at that moment, if I feel safe and relaxed or if I am inthe moment and my head is swimming. Its all about knowing your partner as to what works for them.

MaamJay -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/13/2007 1:08:00 AM)
FullCircle ... please don't feel badly, wasn't meaning to have a go at you, was just obvious you'd not had the chance to experience this as either the giver (seeing your sub go into it) or as the receiver. And yes, from some descriptions I've read out there, it isn't easy to see how it's different from what you suggested. With My background in Human Biology, I was fascinated as to what triggered it and sustained it from the start, so did a lot of in-depth research to work it out. Being a born teacher, My aim is always to educate ... not to denigrate. For what it's worth, I've come up with a 9 point scale to "measure" subspace, where I define the odd points, the even ones are where you are moving deeper (some think of it as higher) from one defined area to the next. 1 is normal everyday space, 3 is that heightened state of alert that slaverosebeauty wrote about (and yes, a voice or a word can get me there too no matter where i am!), 5 is at high adrenalin alert when the body is raring to go, things hurt but it's starting to be a good hurt and you sort of want more so you can go deeper, you start to get a bit fuzzy in the head and it gets harder to speak coherently (that's why getting subs to count strokes eg for spanking is so popular, it's a handy little indicator), by 7 the endorphins have kicked in, things hurt so good now and you might see a sub actually rear up to meet the strokes, they might beg for more too, inside they're floating and you'll only get the simplest of answers from them if any, and deep space 9 is ... well, OK, so I'm a latent trekkie LOL! At that depth, i can't even remember how to get up or walk, i'm best left on the ground for a bit with gentle words from Master to get me back down at least a couple of levels .. then He can instruct and help me to get up to a chair or bed. I won't promise it will work with everyone but I have used it with a number of male and female subs and they seem to identify well with it. My giggle space is from about 4 to 6, it seems often to be connected to the incongruity of the moment ie it's hurting and yet i want more?? ... my response is just to crack up laughing! When i suddenly go quiet, Master knows i've reached 7. It also should be obvious that from about level 5 onwards the Dominant can't really rely on the sub safewording (or safe-gesturing etc) even if they should, so it's really important to be the responsible One and slow down or stop when Your judgement tells You to. Not many subs I have met giggle, some just get more and more glazed, and I have met one who goes through an angry almost vicious phase! Fortunately her Master is used to it and just ignores what she threatens to do to Him once she gets loose! she seems to forget about that later, lucky for Him. subs also vary a lot (both between different people and within the one person's experiences) as to how fast they go into space on any one occasion and what will/won't work for them. I'd be interested in hearing from others how this scale resonates with their experiences. Maam Jay aka violet[A] (who's now feeling a sudden craving for a really good spanking and space session!)

becca333 -> RE: SUBSPACE (8/13/2007 1:16:23 AM)
I love those numbers, and they seem to match very well with my experience. I tend to be a bit vocal during play, then I hit subspace and go totally still and quiet (I think he likes the lack of noise). At that point I can still feel the pain, but it's somehow behind a glass wall. And he could go on forever as far as I'm concerned, I want more, I want to just keep floating. I know what you mean about the giggle stage too - I've actually had uncontrollable fits of the giggles sometimes, but more often I just get a moment when I feel, "How totally ridiculous this is - me, naked, in this position - who'd believe it!"

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