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Owner59 -> Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 8:58:10 PM)
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/20/90629.shtml http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1947

Lordandmaster -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 9:36:26 PM)
Where was Newt's integrity back when it actually mattered?

ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 9:45:02 PM)
Wow, my first thought was "I think the war is a sham too, but I never thought I'd agree with Newt". than I clicked one of the links. Not that another mid-east summit will be better than the last 20; but I wonder if he might go on to saying anything the rest of the country HASN"T been thinking for the last several years? I guess his solution is to go to war with 3 countries like world war two, instead of the two us lazy americans are razing and loosing in right now?

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 9:58:20 PM)
Al Queda does not exist. I haven't read this because it's old news to me, but this looked good and references the correct hyperlinks I would also have referenced: http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/0622-Qaeda.html

Real0ne -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 10:09:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/20/90629.shtml http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=1947 Cant be cuz things like that dont happen in america cuz if they did that would mean we have a CONSPIRACY!!! i wouldnt worry about it to much because he is probly just another conspiracy KOOK!!! Not to mention a little matter called open admitting this administration committed treason.

Sinergy -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 10:32:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Where was Newt's integrity back when it actually mattered? If it was not so profoundly tragic, it would be fun to place bets on which Republicans are going to throw others under a bus first. Sinergy p.s. I thought Newt Gingrich or (insert your favorite Republican politician's name here) and integrity were antonyms? Edited to add a word.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/6/2007 10:35:35 PM)
Actually he said that his statements are being taken out of context... He didn't mean that the war itself was phony. But that the way it has been fought has been phony. In other words, he is saying he would have done it differently than Bush has. And that the war is basically "phony" at this point because it isn't accomplishing anything with the current strategy. Therefore, Bush is pushing a phony war on terror.

farglebargle -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 5:57:43 AM)
Bush's claims used to get Congress to authorize action were Phony up and down the line. We call it FRAUD.

mnottertail -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 6:29:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Actually he said that his statements are being taken out of context... He didn't mean that the war itself was phony. But that the way it has been fought has been phony. In other words, he is saying he would have done it differently than Bush has. And that the war is basically "phony" at this point because it isn't accomplishing anything with the current strategy. Therefore, Bush is pushing a phony war on terror. Apparently a distinction without a difference to the great unwashed. Ron

UtopianRanger -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 7:53:23 AM)
quote: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony Jeez..... To the effect : I think that was my second or third post on collarme well over two years ago quote: Al Queda does not exist. Yup...Nothing more than a CIA confab /construct---To scare and manipulate the citizenry. - R

farglebargle -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 7:58:21 AM)
This was from John Pilger, on the radio earlier today.. "Ironically, I began to understand how censorship worked in so-called free societies when I reported from totalitarian societies. During the 1970s I filmed secretly in Czechoslovakia, then a Stalinist dictatorship. I interviewed members of the dissident group Charter 77, including the novelist Zdener Urbanek, and this is what he told me. "In dictatorships we are more fortunate that you in the West in one respect. We believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and nothing of what we watch on television, because we know its propaganda and lies. Unlike you in the West. We've learned to look behind the propaganda and to read between the lines, and unlike you, we know that the real truth is always subversive." Vandana Shiva has called this subjugated knowledge. The great Irish muckraker Claud Cockburn got it right when he wrote, "Never believe anything until it's officially denied.""

Real0ne -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:15:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle We've learned to look behind the propaganda and to read between the lines, and unlike you, we know that the real truth is always subversive." Vandana Shiva has called this subjugated knowledge. The great Irish muckraker Claud Cockburn got it right when he wrote, "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."" The problem is ALL governments are that way. The biggest mistake people make is not thinking for themselves about "everything else" that the government will do. Look at homeland screw-u-ity (auchtung). .0015 of all the cases they process are related to terror and the rest are us citizens. (so why the fuck do we have it) How about spying on terrorists? Now its spying on us. Everything the government has done for years has been done with a dual purpose, one that sounds good and the actual intent and everyone does the uncle honest joe sam dance. All it took for me to wake up is when i was talking with a foreigner and i parroted the phrase "hey its free country". Biggest mistake i ever made as they proceeded to remind of the differences and how in reality we are nothing more than preprogramed slaves who do not know the difference. this regime may well have done this country a huge favor by making this shit so obvious that even the hardline party followers will have to take notice. nah now i am dreaming LOL

UtopianRanger -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:16:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle This was from John Pilger, on the radio earlier today.. "Ironically, I began to understand how censorship worked in so-called free societies when I reported from totalitarian societies. During the 1970s I filmed secretly in Czechoslovakia, then a Stalinist dictatorship. I interviewed members of the dissident group Charter 77, including the novelist Zdener Urbanek, and this is what he told me. "In dictatorships we are more fortunate that you in the West in one respect. We believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and nothing of what we watch on television, because we know its propaganda and lies. Unlike you in the West. We've learned to look behind the propaganda and to read between the lines, and unlike you, we know that the real truth is always subversive." Vandana Shiva has called this subjugated knowledge. The great Irish muckraker Claud Cockburn got it right when he wrote, "Never believe anything until it's officially denied."" Excellent post. Outside of watching ESPN's Sportcenter before I go to sleep at night, you've just outlined why I basically ended {little over a year ago} my subscription to cable /satellite television. - R

NavyDDG54 -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:23:32 AM)
What Newt meant was that we are not fighting Terror, which is an idea, we are fighting radical Islam.

Alumbrado -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:24:52 AM)
quote: If it was not so profoundly tragic, it would be fun to place bets on which Republicans are going to throw others under a bus first. Sinergy I suspect that the right wing defections will proceed apace with left wing rationalizations as to why they need to keep the Patriot Act, warrantless surveillance, secret arrests, and troops deployed, once they are in full power.

Real0ne -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:34:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54 What Newt meant was that we are not fighting Terror, which is an idea, we are fighting radical Islam. you just suckered for some not to well done double-think. Think about it. This is the latest gig in politics. (i said it but thats not what i meant) silverstien(pull it) down cam the building bush(i saw that plane hit BEFORE i went into the classroom) no footage was availiable then mkinney(yes we flew into ny the night before ready to go into action on tuesday) 911 you heard it but that is not what i meant! i can go on and list more. Its what i said but you the american people are all to fucking stoopid to understand it!!! The vid i have in my footer goes into this new art and explains precisely what is happening and why these guys are doing it. (that is self incrimination) and the REAL CRIME is that we arent ALL on to this shit!

ChainsandFreedom -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:34:35 AM)
quote: I suspect that the right wing defections will proceed apace with left wing rationalizations as to why they need to keep the Patriot Act, warrantless survelillance, secret arrests, and troops deployed, once they are in full power. -total agreement here. Would Mrs Clinton and the rest REALLY think she was being sold a proper bill of goods when she voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq? If the dem's just re-authorized wire tapping, clearly, most politicians in washing all have the same national goals. Bipartisanship already exists and has for a long time, its just the illusion of a two party system which keeps us voting. We need Lockheed to keep in the green and replacing bombs dropped and we need oil rich countries too concerned with war and security to actually become organized and politcally/economically first world, formidable states.

Real0ne -> RE: Newt Gingrich says war on terror is phony (8/7/2007 8:41:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChainsandFreedom If the dem's just re-authorized wire tapping, clearly, most politicians in washing all have the same national goals. Bipartisanship already exists and has for a long time, its just the illusion of a two party system which keeps us voting. people do not realize that a pure bipartisanship is (pick any "archy") and insert here. for years people were crying about all the bickering and that they got nothing done and well now they gave us idiots what we wanted. partisanship feels good to get something done tho

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