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Bobkgin -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 9:30:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Being selfless does not mean an inability to receive. More an inability to take. Consent becomes even more essential (if possible) for the selfless than the selfish.




That's the thing. If you aren't actively taking in pleasure in what you are doing to me, then as far I'm concerned, it's a waste of time. I want the dominants I play with to take pleasure in what I give to them.


But you have already granted him consent to do what he does. The consent you gave was most likely more generic ("do with me what you will" kind of thing). But you cannot say you have not consented to the activities that involve you.

He is not taking the gift, he is receiving the gift you've consented to give him.




AquaticSub -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 9:31:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Ah, but what happens when you learn the "I" is an illusion of our senses and that "We" are all that has ever been?
 
What becomes of one's personal ego when one realizes it isn't "one" and never was?
 
Enlightenment and self-awareness ask such questions.


Pyschology major?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and all these wonderful "intelligent" questions really only matter if you think they matter.




AquaticSub -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 9:34:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Being selfless does not mean an inability to receive. More an inability to take. Consent becomes even more essential (if possible) for the selfless than the selfish.




That's the thing. If you aren't actively taking in pleasure in what you are doing to me, then as far I'm concerned, it's a waste of time. I want the dominants I play with to take pleasure in what I give to them.


But you have already granted him consent to do what he does. The consent you gave was most likely more generic ("do with me what you will" kind of thing). But you cannot say you have not consented to the activities that involve you.

He is not taking the gift, he is receiving the gift you've consented to give him.


I never said I didn't consent. What I have said is that if the act isn't at least partially selfish, if he isn't actively taking enjoyment in it, if he doesn't want it, if it's selfless... then I can't be bothered with it.

You speak in passive terms, of receiving it. This is fine, if it works for you. But you need to understand that it simply doesn't work for everyone.




RCdc -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 9:36:28 AM)

If this is nothing but an attempt to push self enlightenment - then when you are the divine, and the divine is within you - you not only reach enightenment but the very height of selfishness.  Bah - edited because that makes more sense... looks like this is running around in circles though - or badly phrased(to begin with?)
 
Peace
the.dark.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 9:42:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
What becomes of one's personal ego when one realizes it isn't "one" and never was?
 
Enlightenment and self-awareness ask such questions.

Well now you're going back to what I posted on page 1 of this thread- being simultaneously I and We, We and not We.  Which isn't anything like what your original post was getting at, or you didn't explain it well.




RavenMuse -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 10:53:39 AM)

Why do people have such an aversion to the word selfish? We are ALL selfish to some extent. How much is healthy for the relationship depends on the dynamic You have.

I'm selfish... to an extent

I also have a duty of care that means I don't harm My girl, leaving her needs unadressed within the relationship would harm her. she is worth looking after and I don't HARM what is Mine.

she knows I am selfish enough that unless it is a matter for the duty of care to kick in, then My needs come first before hers (If My needs are sorted I better placed to ensure her needs are met).

she knows if My want and her want are in conflict, she is reqired to submit. I am selfish enough to ensure that is the case.

But not so selfish as to place a mere want of Mine before a need of hers and she trusts I am good at telling the difference between those wants and needs of BOTH of us.

The fact that I have got an ego that Zaphod Beeblebrox would be envious of is another matter [;)]




Rover -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:03:50 AM)

You cannot possibly be enlightened or self-aware.  ;)
 
John




Kidsphoenixx -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:18:13 AM)

*off topic*
Bobgkin, anagrammed is King Bob.[;)]




Aileen68 -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:20:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kidsphoenixx

*off topic*
Bobgkin, anagrammed is King Bob.[;)]



Ha...and here I think of hobbits every time I see his name.




RavenMuse -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:21:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You cannot possibly be enlightened or self-aware.  ;)
 
John

Projection is such a negative thing and reflected in such a closed-minded comment




Alumbrado -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:24:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kidsphoenixx

*off topic*
Bobgkin, anagrammed is King Bob.[;)]



Or 'Big Knob'... or  'I. B. Kbong'.... or....




Alumbrado -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:25:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: Rover

You cannot possibly be enlightened or self-aware.  ;)
 
John

Projection is such a negative thing and reflected in such a closed-minded comment



You forgot to add your smiley, like Rover used, so no one would really think you were missing the joke.




RavenMuse -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:47:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
You forgot to add your smiley, like Rover used, so no one would really think you were missing the joke.


That would be because I DID miss the joke.... just enough of a chink in the ego to admit it [:D]




Alumbrado -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:47:56 AM)

GROUP HUGGG!!




Rover -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:48:40 AM)

It's all good. ;)
 
John




CreativeDominant -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 11:59:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

As too often occurs, ego surfaces whenever an individual feels threatened. It is a defense mechanism, to bloster will power and inspire action.
Actually, that's a lack of preparation, whether mentally or physically or spiritually for the confrontation.  Inflated ego is present when you bluster into the confrontation anyway.

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It is also a security blanket, lulling us into believing no improvement is required (not knowing enough is also a form of threat to the individual).
Actually, my ego is what reminds me that improvement is always required.  It takes ego to do what I do as a professional...you have to believe you are good at what you do or you cannot do what must be done...and a well-modulated ego to realize that there are indeed others better than you at what you do and, as incentive to increasing the ego and bolstering that increase, telling yourself that you would do well to learn from them...and then go seek them out.

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However, it is my belief that ego should play no part in bdsm, especially no role in the decisions of a dom/domme/mistress/master.

From my point of view, these individuals have a responsibility to ensure everyone benefits in a manner appropriate for the individual.

I don't see this leaving much room for ego or selfishness.
Again, I disagree.  I think that if you are going to bring a cat o' nine tails down on someone's cute rounded ass or tie someone up in mid-air or control them in certain areas of their life and guide them in others, you better not only have the guts and intelligence and experience to do so, you better believe (ego) that you can and that you just might be the best individual to do it for this person, even while modulating that with the thought that there could well be someone better.  As for selfishness...there are good kinds of selfish and bad kinds.  To want to help someone to become a better being in the way they wish and to have it be your hands and mind and manner that does so...yeah, that could be considered selfish...but to me, it is a good kind of selfish.

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True, there are other forms of relationship where there might be little pressure to dispense with ego: one night stands, casual settings, etc.

But I do not see ego benefitting any long-term relationship. More likely the relationship will break up as a result of arguments spawned by fits of ego.

What do you think?
I think that it is a lovely, let's-all-have-a-hug-and-ignore-the-other's failings/accomplishments-because-we-don't-want-to-do-anything-to-either-deflate-what-may be-a-fragile-ego-or-inflate-what-may-already-be-a-healthy-ego worldview.  It is not my view and in all honesty, I don't think you will find many who feel that, upon reflection, a healthy dose of ego is a bad thing.

MOO...YMMV
The right ego is a good thing.




completenz -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 4:38:03 PM)

lol
i remember telling his folks when we were there for dinner that there are '3 of us in this relationship, Him, me and His ego!!!' They laughed and nodded and the conversation went on to discuss the strong ego that all the males in His family exhibit.
He, and His ego, are perfect for me. i love them both[:)]




Cyntilating -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 5:02:57 PM)

ego?
I dont see ego as such a negative.....we all have a sense of self = ego ...it just depends on how inflated or deflated that ego is which makes it lean towards a negative or positive...??
 
egocentric ( self-centered or selfish).....egotistical....those lean towards the negative when talking about ones ego... just my opinion .
 
Cyndi
 




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 6:51:06 PM)

I have been pondering this ego question...and I came up with one of my own..whilst some have said that ego is natural to all to some extent or other.Especially when it comes to most Dominants...what about the ego of a sub/slave?..It seems to me that in a lot of cases Dominants seem to pursue the lessening or even the disappearance of ego in their "s" types...yet if considered "natural" or even inate..then why dispose of it?...Tempting




Bobkgin -> RE: The role of Ego in bdsm (o.O) (8/3/2007 7:39:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

I have been pondering this ego question...and I came up with one of my own..whilst some have said that ego is natural to all to some extent or other.Especially when it comes to most Dominants...what about the ego of a sub/slave?..It seems to me that in a lot of cases Dominants seem to pursue the lessening or even the disappearance of ego in their "s" types...yet if considered "natural" or even inate..then why dispose of it?...Tempting


To a selfless D/M, it makes perfect sense to diminish the ego of the sub/slave (assuming the sub/slave's consent is given).

I'e always found relationships to be most beneficial for all when all involved are focused on giving rather than getting.

I've also witnessed the truth of the corollary.






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