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Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 12:42:40 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_re_us/bridge_safety
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 5:26:58 AM   
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 I think many of us are beginning to realize, that we are going to replace/rebuild many of our deteriorating and crumbling infrastructure.
The question IS, will the government PAY for it?  I see many dangerous roads and highways daily that need improvements.
I have been thinking about this a lot lately, after New Orleans, the situations in hospitals, and now the deteroriating infrastructures, increasing problems in the school system, etc.
America seems to be on the decline. 
 

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 5:32:05 AM   
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 5:34:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		No way, domestic spending is not a priority.
You saw that with the situation in New Orleans, that lesson was learned a few years ago. 
Remember when Cuba and 3rd world countries offered us assistance after Hurricane Katrina?
I will never forget that one.
Maybe 3rd world countries can help us rebuild our crumbling infrastructures.
**I think the road and highway situation is worse than the bridges**

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 5:48:24 AM   
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 5:49:50 AM   
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:10:35 AM   
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I just heard it will cost TRILLIONS to repair the nation's infrastructure....or about $5,300 for each man, woman and child.
 
Personally, I think it is money better spent than trying to settle a civil war in some other country!  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  How much money, again, have we spent on just electricity in the middle east?
 
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Edited cuz...this whole thing irritates me!

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:16:57 AM   
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(this should be a hint to the neo-cons that if we intend to dominate the world we should first see to our own house, because our unkempt infrastructure will not withstand our invasion) we will be fighting on too many fronts even within ourselves.

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:27:05 AM   
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Ron, you are often funny as hell...and as usual, this time you are SPOT ON!
 
What the hell do we do with that damn terrier we call our leader, we can't just shoot him...  (dammit)
 
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:27:09 AM   
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Hmm. Countries with big governments also don't seem too eager to go on military jollies but that is another thread.

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:34:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

No way, domestic spending is not a priority.
You saw that with the situation in New Orleans, that lesson was learned a few years ago.
Remember when Cuba and 3rd world countries offered us assistance after Hurricane Katrina?
I will never forget that one.
Maybe 3rd world countries can help us rebuild our crumbling infrastructures.
**I think the road and highway situation is worse than the bridges**


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6 Billion for rebuilding New Orleans' Communities...



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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:41:47 AM   
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 8:25:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		...interesting dichotomy. Industrialised nations need good infrastructure to work, which comes dangerously close to socialism. A good transport infrastructure is to industry what universal health care is to individuals.

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 2:40:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The irony is for those that believe in small governments, countries like the US and Britain, their citizens pay as much tax as those who live in countries with big government. The only difference is, the countries with big government have first class infrastructure that is well maintained and modern and because of that, less accidents.

Hmm. Countries with big governments also don't seem too eager to go on military jollies but that is another thread.


Interesting, I never thought of it this way.
The nation's infrastructure need's a lot more than bridges, a lot of the roads are shot to hell also.
How many people are killed because of roads that need updating? {traffic lights, stop lights, new traffic patterns, lane problems, no guardrails, no proper warning signs of dangerous curves, slopes, sharp turns, etc?}

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 4:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was waiting for the right-wingers to explain how the free market is going to fix the nation's crumbling infrastructure.

I guess they don't have a solution for this one.

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 4:33:56 PM   
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 4:39:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I was waiting for the right-wingers to explain how the free market is going to fix the nation's crumbling infrastructure.

I guess they don't have a solution for this one.


And I suppose communism/socialism is the answer?

I agree... Because the Soviet Union never had any bridges collapse, roads fall apart, or nuclear power plants melting down.

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 4:58:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, talk about gilding the lilly........rotting infrastructure seems to be a republican, democratic, arch-conservative, flaming-liberal issue, but rather than consider it in its proper light, and perhaps find solutions it may indeed be more helpful to find a way to blame this on terrorism or the gay left-wing that is the cancer on the country.

By God, the good news is that this didn't happen when the republicans controlled congress, so that should say something.

Thanks for playing, no thanks for your adumbrated and adversarial jingoes, because they don't really change anything.

(and before you jack a fuckin' Mod on me, look up adumbrated at dictionary.com, it is really a rather common word, and it don't mean dumb)

We are very glad that there is cooperation from the masters of the intelligencia, we will need your support.

Buh bye,
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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		See... Maybe if the Minnesota State Legislature had used some of the $2.1 BILLION  budget surplus they had to work with on bridge repairs it might have been avoided. The legislative bodies state and local governments CHOOSE how to spend their tax. Just because they choose to spend it things other than repairing roads, bridges and replacing sewer lines doesn't mean they should now raise taxes on an already over burdened American tax payer. I wonder what the Legislature for the State of Minnesota spent the peop[les  money on instead of earmarking it to fix that bridge?

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RE: Over 70,000 bridges rated deficient in the U.S.A. - 8/3/2007 6:42:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		We're not talking about the bridge in Minnesota.  That bridge was rated safe.  (No one knows why.)  We're talking about the 70,000 OTHER bridges that have been rated deficient.

But at least all you ideologues seem to agree that the free market isn't going to come riding to the rescue on this one.  When cyberdude starts talking about the Soviet Union, it's a clear sign that he doesn't have any concrete suggestions.

Maybe we're making some progress!  OK, kids, so just how is THE GOVERNMENT going to start fixing these bridges?

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