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SugarMyChurro -> Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply... (7/28/2007 2:04:30 PM)

"Judge orders lesbian mother to give up daughters or find a male partner"
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=42159

MADRID – A judge has ordered a lesbian mother to hand over her two daughters to their father because, he said, her homosexuality would harm them and “raised the risk” that the girls would also become lesbians, press reports said on Monday.

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So this is the rule of law, huh?

Maybe civilization is just a bad idea...it seems to mainly be about one set of people telling another set of people what to do. And that's just not very egalitarian - not to my thinking anyway.

Whatever happened to "live and let live"?




thornhappy -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 2:06:39 PM)

Pretty amazing, eh?  You can see what a huge influence straight parents are, having homosexual kids.  Let us not forget Phyllis Schlafly's son....

thornhappy




SusanofO -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 2:12:51 PM)

Ignorance knows no bounds, apparently. You know this kind of ruling just really pisses me off. In law school, one is obligated to do a lot of research. There is even a separate class on how to do Research (I know, because my sister and several of my relatives and friends are lawyers).

There is abundant scientific research around now that points out the fact, beyond almost a scintllia of doubt, that homosexuality is caused by pre-natal hormones in a woman's uterus during pregnancy. Homosexuality is a biologically-based orientation, not a result of "wrong parenting" or some other such nonsense.

Presumably, the judge knows how to do research, or get his aides to do it for him - as evidenced by the fact he attended and graduated from law school.

There is no excuse for such an ignorant ruling, IMO. 

- Susan




NorthernGent -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply... (7/28/2007 3:08:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

"Judge orders lesbian mother to give up daughters or find a male partner"
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=42159

MADRID – A judge has ordered a lesbian mother to hand over her two daughters to their father because, he said, her homosexuality would harm them and “raised the risk” that the girls would also become lesbians, press reports said on Monday.

So this is the rule of law, huh?

Maybe civilization is just a bad idea...it seems to mainly be about one set of people telling another set of people what to do. And that's just not very egalitarian - not to my thinking anyway.

Whatever happened to "live and let live"?



I wouldn't be too despondent over this incident. I mean, far worse has happened to test Aristotle's theory that man is a social animal.

By and large, history is progress, civilisation and knowledge sharing. Nazi Germany was the small details, this incident doesn't even register on the map of human behaviour.




seeksfemslave -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 3:08:55 PM)

The root causes of homosexuality may or may not be known but what is known is, that on average, children brought up in stable loving heterosexual relationships do better in adulthood than those who are brought up in most of the other family arrangements that have become accepted in recent years. NO?




Alumbrado -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 3:16:03 PM)

Not neccesarily:

"In summary, there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth."

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpsummary.html




SusanofO -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 3:20:25 PM)

seeksfemslave: With all due respect (and I mean that, you have a right to your opinion)  -

Even if that were true, how fair is it to order a dyed-in-the-wool, bona-fide lesbian to dump her partner, and get together with a man, in order to keep her children? In these kinds of situations, I usually think it's enlightening to wonder how one would react if the "shoe were on the other foot".

Suppose heterosexuality was considered "sick" by a majority of people? (or even a minority with power, as is the case here, IMO). What if a judge ordered you to leave your wife (I dunno if you're married or not, but imagine it anyway) and find a man to be your partner, in order to keep your children with you?

How would that feel to you? Well, I presume it feels the same way for this woman. It's just plain weird, IMO. And it is patently unfair to the woman.

I'd have no problem with this ruling if the woman was a drug-addicted burgler, say, or a member of the Mafia. But she's not. She's just a homosexual.

My childhood was pretty good, but if someone looked hard enough I am sure they could find things my parents did that could have caased me to turn out to be a less-than-stellar person (even though I think I turned out to be a good person anyway).

For one thing, my mother smoked cigarettes. Over a pack a day. She died from lung cancer four years ago. Some parenting groups probably would say she was setting a bad example for me. But I loved  her anyway. Etc, etc, etc. - many similar examples can be found in everyday life, n anyone's family, I am guessing.

I know smoking might not be considered by some the same way homosexuality is, but my point is that anyone could choose any trait and say it's "bad" for a parent to have that trait or behavior.

There are some traits (like being a drug-addicted burgler) most people would agree don't make one a great parent. But hey - even then - if the majority (or a minority with some power to make decisions like this) decides tommorrow that drug-addicted burglars make superb parents - would we all then just hop on the bandwagon and say it's okay to be one?  I won't. 

Because if everyone was a drug-addicted burgler, society would be in shambles. I'd say the same is true for homosexuality (due to the fact if everyrone was a homosexual, procreation might come to a stand-still, and there woudln't be any society left at all) - except for one little thing. Homosexuality isn't really "just" a "behavior" - it's an in-born, biological sexual orientation that people have no control over - at all. 

I really believe that to be true. And even if  homosexuals don't pro-create - so what? The planet is over-populated to begin with - at least there are too many staving people in the world - and it's rank with poverty in many places. Do we really need more and more and more people, to be producing more and more children every single minute? No. I think it's fine people have children - as long as they can care for them.

I just think this judge's ruling sucks.

- Susan



- Susan  




farglebargle -> RE: Drug addicts, child abusers, prostitutes, satanists, adulterers, and homosexuals need not apply. (7/28/2007 6:30:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Pretty amazing, eh? You can see what a huge influence straight parents are, having homosexual kids. Let us not forget Phyllis Schlafly's son....

thornhappy



Mary, Dick and Lynne Cheney spring to mind. ( Of course, we've all known that Lynne's conversion from L.U.G. didn't really take.... )





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