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ELUSIVE1 -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/25/2007 12:26:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'... I think it would be very good to have a Muslim for president but I don't think Obama's a Muslim. However, who knows? He might push for higher levels of education. And ignorance, such as the one you so willingly displayed above, wouldn't be quite so widespread in America today. Ignorance in stating that we are in a "holy war"??where have you been for the past 5 years?? ignorance in stating that Muslims are schooled to believe the way to "allah" is to rid the world of Infidels...ever studied Theology??I have...while I find different beliefs fascinating I do not embrace them...ignorant in saying he was born Muslim, to a Muslim father and raised for his first few years in a Muslim state....READ the link in the responses...I have not stated anything that wasn't already fact...

mnottertail -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/25/2007 12:27:58 PM)
well, you couldn't have studied theology for a very long time if you walked away with that

popeye1250 -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/25/2007 12:32:37 PM)
Oh, and Senator Abadabba's not "Black", he's only half Black. I'd vote for Al Sharpton if he'd run again. He wouldn't take any shit from al qeada! He'd, "Rain Hellfire and Brimstone down on those Mutherfuckers HEADS!"

kittinSol -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/25/2007 1:19:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 we are indeed in a 'Holy War' and the last thing the USA needs is a Muslim in the White House ...a man whose religious 'core' embraces the concept that the'way to allah'is to rid the world of infidels...and who are infidels you ask?? christians,anyone who doesn't embrace the 'koran'... I think it would be very good to have a Muslim for president but I don't think Obama's a Muslim. However, who knows? He might push for higher levels of education. And ignorance, such as the one you so willingly displayed above, wouldn't be quite so widespread in America today. Ignorance in stating that we are in a "holy war"??where have you been for the past 5 years?? ignorance in stating that Muslims are schooled to believe the way to "allah" is to rid the world of Infidels...ever studied Theology??I have...while I find different beliefs fascinating I do not embrace them...ignorant in saying he was born Muslim, to a Muslim father and raised for his first few years in a Muslim state....READ the link in the responses...I have not stated anything that wasn't already fact... The only way for you to calm down is to go to the public library and get a copy of the Koran. Once you have read through it, you will see for yourself that it's in no way more inflammatory than the Old Testament. If there's a holy war, I have missed it: there is a war going on. But no war is ever holy, and that you should choose to describe it as such speaks to me of your naivety. Muslims aren't 'schooled' to believe that they have to get rid of non-Muslims. As a matter of fact, Islam recognises that Jews and Christians believe in the same God as them. The facts are out there, ELUSIVE. Go and check them out... for the sake of your sanity, at least.

Level -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/25/2007 3:32:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Name calling like 'Muslim'? In the case of someone who repeatedly lies about someone else to smear them, 'hatemongering' is an accurate identification, not a false accusation. Buh-bye. He was born Muslim and raised for his first few formative years in a Muslim state--if you think me calling anyone a 'Muslim' is hate-mongering then who is full of 'predjudice' now---I HAVE NEVER used 'Muslim" a 'smear' I mearely stated I choose not to vote for anyone with those core beliefs... But that is not his "core belief". It isn't. Not. Is not.

philosophy -> RE: Clinton calls Obama "naive and irresponsible" (7/26/2007 8:18:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 Using 'yer' in place of 'Your' shows a tremendous level of 'inteligence'...pffft...everyone is a 'product of their environment' during their 'formative' years..the truth is he was living in a 'Muslim' state in his early years and that culture had to affect the person he is today...I will stay 'closed minded' on this one because I will not be treated as subservient as most women in Muslim states are treated...and he first hand witnessed and lived in as a child.. ...ahhh, ignorance. First off, the phrase 'yer actual' is an old idiom in UK english. It denotes the original or source material. Being unaware of idioms is one thing, making assumptions based on ignorance is another. Added to your assumption based on Obama's background, it would appear that this is an error you are prone to. You make an interesting assumption when you suggest that the environment that one is raised in will inevitably become the environment one wishes to see as an adult, even if as an adult one has rejected it. When faced with strong stimuli like that most people take one of two positions, rejction or acceptance. Obama appears to have rejected that environment, as his christian stance suggests. To believe otherwise is to utterly reject the concept of redemption. Now what was that about studying theology? As to this military misadventure being a Holy War, may i direct you to the other thread that shows the minority of Muslims who condone violence is shrinking. Now, all we need is another survey that shows the minority of ignorant christians who support violence is shrinking and perhaps we wont have a Holy War in the future......or are you one of those 'end-timers' who actually want war?

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