RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs

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Politesub53 -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 1:54:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyRed yeah, it just pisses me off when I think I am so freaking smart and yet fell for the mindcrap. If you mean the manipulative type of mindfuck, i guess many people fall for that over and over, as its a question against their judgement. Its not so much we hate being proved wrong, more that we want to be proved right. So we continually set ourselves up for the fall. As for Mindfucks in the nicer sense, surely during play with a beginner its ok for this to happen. It needn`t be edgy to have someone tied and blindfolded and telling them " I am going to do XYZ " for it to be effective. Nice point, whoever made it, about the negative meaning bluring the positive one. [;)]

Celeste43 -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 5:36:46 PM)
I don't like them. I don't handle them well. Telling me you were going to brand me and then just putting a skewer straight from the freezer on me would be a mindfuck but it would leave me afraid that you really would brand me in future. It causes me to lose trust majorly and to fear my partner. But I get literal during scening and I can't process him saying one thing and doing, or meaning, another. Even after the play ends I'm still confused and frightened. It just isn't something I'm wired for. Luckily it doesn't much matter to him. Obviously if it were one of his all time favorites then we wouldn't be compatible.

NefertariReborn -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 5:46:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phin A domme who is a good friend of mine was gathering toys for a scene topping me. She hosts some wonderful play parties. She came out of the toy closet with an armload of various floggers canes crops and sensation toys. When she lays the out on the table a double-headed spiked mace fell from the pile, "Damn you weren't supposed to see that..." Hmmmmmm writes that one down.

NefertariReborn -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 5:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveish I have difficulty with trust. I found, with Master, that being mindfucked well - going from being nervous / scared / confused and ending with trust and warmth was something I enjoyed. It is very edgy and could go very very wrong with someone with little to no experience being in the control position. His mindfuck was to take me to PetSmart, put me in a dog collar, and make me participate in the dog obedience class outside the ring. He (M) would have his pointer and clicker and I would perform each command along with the dogs. At then end, he said I was to crawl to him, sit up, and beg for a cookie. He was mindfucking me at the time. It was horribly embarrassing to think about, horrifyingly demeaning and ~way~ outside my comfort zone. In the end, he wound up stroking my hair while I leaned against his high bed. It was a wonderfully bonding experience and he gained more of my trust. I don't know how to articulate the "why" part - it is a feeling more than intellectual reasoning. And the people at PetSmart did what when this was all going on? *thinks the animals were getting a mindfuck too...."Isn't that a human?"

LadyHeart -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 5:56:00 PM)
I use mind fucks all the time, but always in the context of a bit of humour, so it doesn't get out of hand. I use them to keep the submissive off balance (ie more under my control) so they think they know what's going to happen next - but they never do. If I pick up a crop - then it generally means I'm going to play with a feather duster. If I tell them to come dressed as a school child - then I probably have something completely different in mind - the schoolgirl will come to the house of the mad scientist by mistake. But I always have a few running gags going on so they don't spin out totally. It's supposed to be fun. I love walking the lines between pain and pleasure, laughter and tears, and mind fucks are a big part of walking that line. :)) LH

slaveish -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 6:37:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn And the people at PetSmart did what when this was all going on? *thinks the animals were getting a mindfuck too...."Isn't that a human?" It was a mindfuck. He threatened it but didn't make me do it.

asubmissiveheart -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 6:44:22 PM)
Jokes are one thing with me, mindfucks are another.

domiguy -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 6:54:07 PM)
I don't understand the mind fuck scenario...I mean if I tell you I'm going to do something I will.....But then again I'm a boring kind of ass....I don't dig role play.....Think that knife play and all the other crud is just that....I just don't get it.

soultoshare -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 6:55:54 PM)
I have only had one experience with a true mind fuck, and it ended disastrously........he told me that an accepted hard limit was going to be used as punishment, was out of town and out of touch.......made for a miserable week, until he revealed that it was just a game. I walked away......didn't look back......as far as I'm concerned, a mind fuck SHOULDN'T cause anyone the type of stress and misery that one caused for me.......I was so freaked out that I didn't eat or sleep for 3 days.......every time I closed my eyes, this mental image popped up. And he never once saw it as a betrayal of the trust that I had placed in him. He even went so far as to mock me over it. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of a mind fuck......mild mind games, fine......the branding scenario would be fine with me, because I know my play partner would play it to the hilt, build the feeling of fear, and then do something so totally out of left field that after I'd scream, we'd both be laughing our asses off!

asubmissiveheart -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 6:58:59 PM)
soultoshare, you expressed how I feel very well. There is so much to do and enjoy in this lifestyle, I don't need the mindfucks.

LadyHeart -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 7:30:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: soultoshare I have only had one experience with a true mind fuck, and it ended disastrously........he told me that an accepted hard limit was going to be used as punishment, was out of town and out of touch.......made for a miserable week, until he revealed that it was just a game. I walked away......didn't look back......as far as I'm concerned, a mind fuck SHOULDN'T cause anyone the type of stress and misery that one caused for me.......I was so freaked out that I didn't eat or sleep for 3 days.......every time I closed my eyes, this mental image popped up. And he never once saw it as a betrayal of the trust that I had placed in him. He even went so far as to mock me over it. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of a mind fuck......mild mind games, fine......the branding scenario would be fine with me, because I know my play partner would play it to the hilt, build the feeling of fear, and then do something so totally out of left field that after I'd scream, we'd both be laughing our asses off! That's the difference between a "good" and a "bad" mindfuck. A good mind fuck leaves you BOTH laughing. A bad mind fuck has only one of you laughing. Hugs for your bad experience :)) LH

soultoshare -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 7:46:45 PM)
LH, Thank you....your sig line sums it up pretty good also! asubmissive heart, I agree.....at least as far as I'm concerned, I can do without them also.

NefertariReborn -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/24/2007 11:26:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveish quote: ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn And the people at PetSmart did what when this was all going on? *thinks the animals were getting a mindfuck too...."Isn't that a human?" It was a mindfuck. He threatened it but didn't make me do it. Got it! Didn't get that "threatened" part before.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/25/2007 7:01:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: soultoshare I have only had one experience with a true mind fuck, and it ended disastrously........he told me that an accepted hard limit was going to be used as punishment, was out of town and out of touch.......made for a miserable week, until he revealed that it was just a game. I walked away......didn't look back......as far as I'm concerned, a mind fuck SHOULDN'T cause anyone the type of stress and misery that one caused for me.......I was so freaked out that I didn't eat or sleep for 3 days.......every time I closed my eyes, this mental image popped up. And he never once saw it as a betrayal of the trust that I had placed in him. He even went so far as to mock me over it. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of a mind fuck......mild mind games, fine......the branding scenario would be fine with me, because I know my play partner would play it to the hilt, build the feeling of fear, and then do something so totally out of left field that after I'd scream, we'd both be laughing our asses off! This is a subcategory in the "BAD" mindfuck group. Apolitesub53 mentioned that I had made a good point about the blurring of the lines between good and bad mindfucks. In MOO, this was clumsiness and a distinct lack of knowledge on the dominant's part of how the mindfuck is supposed to be used. As I said, in a good mindfuck, the fear and anxiety and rising tension that are felt evoke good sensations as well, even as they evoke the fear and anxiety and rising tension. The mindfuck or the branding scenario as you described it above, done as your partner would do it, is the perfect example of good mindfucking...twisting the mind and emotions in all the RIGHT ways.

Jasmyn -> RE: Mindfucks vs. Mindfuck YOUs (7/25/2007 5:40:18 PM)
(FR) I have been an avid fan of mindfuck scenarios since I first began exploring the world of B&D and S&M. Finding them a safe way to explore hidden and taboo desires ... like if someone wanted to fuck a dog ...I really am not down with that ... but I would happily incorporate that scenario into a mindfuck scene ... suspending belief and having the person believe that I have a whole kennel of would be leg humpers about to jump them for my pleasure ... if only they'd just beg for me to make that happen ... Similar with try bi scenarios ... I don't need to make someone actually suck a real life pulsing cock to explore this fantasy ... but getting them to suspend their belief long enough to think I have three cock studs sitting on my couch just waiting for the nod to ram their love rods down this person's throat and cum all over their face ...is so farken hot...to get someone to the point of altering their reality ... Have made a longtime dominant lover explore his submission by telling him we were at a play party, a crowd was gathering, watching him and I. Him on all fours, on a collar and leash ..being lead about the room as we made our way around the venue making introductions ... how many of the doms were admiring his fine physic and totally doable arse ...and asking if I'd mind lending my find specimen of subservience out to them later for a scene with their equally hot to trot slut ... only to remind him we were totally alone and the only thing he was going to fuck that night was me ... if he was good that was ... drawing him back into fantasy land ...telling him he so wasn't worthy ...but best he spread his arse for the doms to inspect ... Spending an hour with a sub telling him to beg me to pour hot molten wax over his cock, completely unconcerned with his concerns of pain and scarring ... finally he breathlessly whispers what I want to hear ... only for me to say ... I can't be bothered and putting the candle down ...falling to his knees... he cries in relief at my feet ... Or simple as not letting someone know what innoccuous implement was used on them in a scene ...letting them stew for a months wondering what it was ...only to go 'doh!' when you let them in on your secret weapon of choice ... a knife and fork. I guess that is what a lot of people forget or are clueless about with the mindfuck ... it is an art ... but it can be learned. B&D, S&M, D&S whatever floats ya boat ... is about exploring safely ...the mindfuck allows us to do that while minimising risks and legalities ... more people should get a clue

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