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angelic -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 6:13:23 PM)

julietsierra, that is very sound and accurate advice.  From one who used to drink and does not anymore, i absolutely was truthful when i drank... brutally and unkindly so.  It literally was/is courage in a bottle. 




lilfemme23 -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 6:14:47 PM)

I tend to feel directionless in my life if i do not have someone to belong to, uhhmm i do not need micromanagement but i don't seem to do well in anything if i do not have someone to do it for, someone to be proud of the things i have done. i was just worried that was wrong since my Master says i should be able to not have to ask for his guidance in things that i am unsure of, he wants "thinking obediance" I appreciate being given my freedom but i feel so adrift because it seems as if he is not really guiding me enough, if i fail to do what he wants because his clue was subtle then i feel like a moron. "You are happy making your master happy" thats true but i was always under the impression that my master would keep my feelings in consideration. i don't know if i am really getting my point across.




robertolapiedra -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 7:43:12 PM)

Hello lilfemme23. I think there is more going on here than the D/s dynamic. When someone has to get drunk to say what he/she thinks/feels, it seems like the line is crossed somewhere...somehow.

If my submissive was "drunk" (or high or on other drugs) I would not want to speak or "listen" to her. In a D/s relationship, you have a power exchange. Your dom should not be "drunk" and driving in the dynamic. That's the famous "car analogy" many use. I think it applies.

Your dom has a problem that has nothing to do with the lifestyle. I just do not find it "responsible" to address issues with one's submissive, in a drunken state. It has a lot to do with respect and "self respect". Do you really accept this? RL.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 7:52:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lilfemme23

I tend to feel directionless in my life if i do not have someone to belong to, uhhmm i do not need micromanagement but i don't seem to do well in anything if i do not have someone to do it for, someone to be proud of the things i have done. i was just worried that was wrong since my Master says i should be able to not have to ask for his guidance in things that i am unsure of, he wants "thinking obediance" I appreciate being given my freedom but i feel so adrift because it seems as if he is not really guiding me enough, if i fail to do what he wants because his clue was subtle then i feel like a moron. "You are happy making your master happy" thats true but i was always under the impression that my master would keep my feelings in consideration. i don't know if i am really getting my point across.
ask yourself this..will your life be better with or without him?..will you be happier with or without him?...add to this..if you need to be proud of yourself in some way by doing or being of service...there are other ways to find such fulfillment...Big Brothers/Big Sister...housekeeping for the elderly...volunteering at a local VA hospital....ad infinitum...believe me all these will be grateful and acknowledge that which you contribute..and in return you will be proud of such accomplishments.....and no one needed a drink to communicate with you either...Tempting




MasterFireMaam -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 8:05:14 PM)

Bluntly: If he's not meeting your needs while not under the influence, he's not a match for you. Think seriously about moving on. There's better out there.

Master Fire




mistoferin -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 8:55:01 PM)

He's a drunk, has emotional issues and you were his girlfriend but that didn't work so you became his slave??? Yeah, I think I see what might be wrong with this picture. What made you think that becoming his slave was going to make things better?




julietsierra -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 8:55:49 PM)

Nod... what everyone else has said..

I addressed the alcohol part of your post. However, it seems to me that there are actually three issues that are difficult here.

First there's the obvious issues with alcohol that I and others have addressed. You're going to have to make up your own mind about that, but seriously, one of the things I see you saying is that the evil you know just might be better than the evil you don't know, and ultimately I believe you'll find that that's just not the truth. However, only you can come to that conclusion.

Second, there's the issue with feeling directionless. This in itself doesn't really have to be that big a problem. There is a school of thought out there that in NOT telling you things, you get to behave in a manner that comes naturally to you. And from there, correction - mild and constructive - can happen so that in essence, you're actually becoming more of who  you are, not just some construct of the dominant's. It's not a bad way and actually promotes a feeling of belonging while at the same time allowing the submissive to gradually come to understand what she's doing without the presumption of force along the way. This school of thought most often (but not always) entails little to no punishment for errors. Instead, the errors are corrected in such a way as to allow the submissive success in her efforts to submit. Because directions are not always so obvious, confusion can result, but more often than not, the confusion comes from your changing point of view - not because you end up thinking that you MUST have done something wrong.

However, this school of thought and how the dominant generally reacts within it is a far cry from what you're describing. Which brings me to the third issue that I see you talking about. You see, to gently lead the submissive toward a way of behaving that fits the dominant's larger plan, pretty much requires that her efforts along the way not be belittled and/or denigrated. There is no such thing as "you're not a good submissive." Instead, what a submissive is more likely to hear is "Ok, you did that pretty well. Next time, don't do ________." This leaves the rest of the options very open for you to explore within yourself while still helping you to adjust to the dominant's way of doing things. When you hear the denigrating comments, it makes your position as a submissive that much harder because now, instead of operating from the position of discovery, you're operating from a position of fear and feelings of imminent failure. Those kinds of feelings will tend to make most people behave in ways that are increasingly desperate, which in turn cause them to make more mistakes, get confused and generally feel poorly about themselves.

To then know that he can't even talk to you about his concerns without alcohol and that once he begins drinking, his comments are denigrating in nature - well, that can have a devastating effect on self-esteem and the ability to submit from a place of being healthy in one's self.

So, there we are...three issues in effect, become four and out of the four, only one seems to be workable - UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES. Now, the question to ask yourself is do you have the right circumstances. Ideally, the alcohol issue shouldn't exist at all. Beyond that, on the balance sheet of life, if more is negative than is positive, and if someone is seriously making a committment to operating her life in a healthy manner, then there are only a few options available.

But even with those few options, I will say that although it is frightening to make change, once someone does decide to change what she's doing, she invariably finds that the evil she knows is NEVER better than the opportunity to discover something other than evil outside of what she's involved in. In other words, the evil you know is NOT better than the evil you don't. It just seems that way. More than likely, the evil you fear is actually the joy of discovery and the comfort of finding something that works better than you ever imagined it could. You just have to have the courage to make that change.

It is possible. You do have the strength. And most importantly, even though you do this, you WILL find happiness. Someone IS out there who does things the way you need for them to be done and you CAN get what you want even as you are submitting.


juliet




domiguy -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 9:15:38 PM)

It also is obvious that you are a lousy sub by not  realizing ahead of time which alcoholic beverage would be required and having a large quantity of said cocktails on ice and waiting that would enable your Dom, after consuming, to once again inform you of what a lousy sub you truly are.

I don't think this lifestyle is for you.




pandoravampire -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 9:16:52 PM)

So he wants a slave that is obedient and can think? AND telepathic too! Doesnt want much in exchange for a 'master' that cannot be bothered to spend time, explaining, training, rewarding, punishing, considering, loving, providing, etc etc. You know, the usual rewards them Masters are good at providing. Except in your case it seems.
Honey, there are enough red flags with this guy, that you should RUN in the opposite direction, and fast. Red flags spotted by most people who have responded to this thread. Can you see that? That other people, who actually know about M/s relationships are telling you something is very wrong here.
Question is, will you?

Your Master, and every other soul on the planet, will only treat you the way you allow them to treat you.

You have some packing to do i believe.
pandoravampire




grlneedstolearn -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/20/2007 9:42:47 PM)

To me this would be a red flag warning. Though i've had some bad experiences of which i have now learned of how to cope.




rmanrr -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 3:59:47 AM)

Greetings
Run, fast, far and not be found until you want to be by one who is a match for you....2 cents Canadian...not as much as US but hey we are getting closer by the day!




LadyHugs -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 7:11:10 AM)

Dear lilfemme23, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
First, I would say that when someone is under the influence of alcohol and or drugs; you aren't talking to the person but, the drugs and or alcohol that has control over him.  So, its not the person you're dealing with but, an obsession or something that is more important than you.  Addiction is a powerful Master indeed and, changes the person physically, mentally and or emotionally.
 
Second, if slaves were mind readers--we wouldn't have so many slaves looking for their "One" true loving Master.  They would know how to find them by zero in on those brain waves like radar.  The way slaves anticipate needs is by having a consistant behavior to which some things never change--like, having a cold Pepsi with pizza--to me that is something consistant and nobody has to guess/assume. 
 
Third, on more personal note--as a Dominant; I do not agree to the practice of having to humiliate, degrade and to use negative behavior/attitude as to have a slave submit and or cause a slave to commit into submission.  To me that is unnecessary and more of a controller who is insecure they bully others, insult and like public humiliation to look bigger and better than others.  I prefer to inspire a slave to submit to me, to want to submit--not 'have to' submit.  I also communicate clearly with my slaves, as to help them learn what my personal tastes are and how I like to be served.  The last thing I wish for any slave of mine to be--is so uptight and walking on egg shells and upset.  I want most of all, the slave to know how much I love them, admire them and appreciate all they do.  To me slaves are very special.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




lilfemme23 -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 10:55:07 AM)

Why is it that everyone is saying there is something wrong with my master except Domiguy who says that i AM a bad slave and that this life style is not for me? Also i agree with the concept of little or no punishment for mistakes, i personally will feel poorly enough when corrected to be motivated to change the pattern of behavior myself. uhhmmm i think that is all that i had to say on the subject for now.




julietsierra -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 11:08:25 AM)

Why? Because it's very definitely - for most of us - a case of "been there, done that, don't want the t-shirt or ANY of the crap that came with it."

But... People will hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe and very rarely will the actual asked for input be acted upon when it goes contrary to what we were expecting.

Hope you'll be ok when all is said and done.

Oh.. and domiguy can be sarcastic. However, I have the feeling that he knew you wouldn't really listen to anything else so... he wrote what the only thing he figured you'd actually pay attention to. 

By the way... you telling everyone that your Master drinks, denigrates you and undermines your efforts to submit doesn't really paint a complimentary picture of him - or of your situation with him. What else were you expecting?

It continually amazes me when people tell others all the negative things about their Masters and then expect everyone to see just how magnificent he or she is. It's even more amazing when they then ask why we would even think they're not!

I'm not trying to be mean, but you might want to go back and re-read your first post in this thread. Imagine that instead of it being you reading it, that you are your Master. Would he be thrilled at how you portrayed him? If he wouldn't, just what kind of impression do you think we're left with? And what did you imagine we'd be able to do with the information we gave you?

For the most part, based on your information, we actually attempted to uplift you - support you - give you alternative ideas. It's not then our fault if you think we're wrong.

I really do wish you well lilfemme. Once you reach the point of enabling, it's very hard to break the tendency - but in the end, as always, it's your decision as to what you will allow for yourself.

The question I have for you though is "why don't you believe you're worth more than someone's drunken insults and undermining techniques?"

You might want to contemplate that.

juliet




daddyscherry -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 11:10:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilfemme23

Why is it that everyone is saying there is something wrong with my master except Domiguy who says that i AM a bad slave and that this life style is not for me? Also i agree with the concept of little or no punishment for mistakes, i personally will feel poorly enough when corrected to be motivated to change the pattern of behavior myself. uhhmmm i think that is all that i had to say on the subject for now.


Please re-read what Domiguy said, since you are new to the the boards you may not be aware of his sense of humor or interesting way of putting things.

What i read him to be saying was totally in a sarcastic vein (could be wrong but i really doubt it) ...Like "Suuure the problem is allllll you...you are the totally lousy sub because you don't know how to  make sure the alcohol is flowing...duh!!! How could you be so dumb and lousy????"

It isn't all you, there may be part of it that is you, but really your Master has a much bigger issue than you, because he needs liquid courage to tell you what's on his mind (how dominant and masterly is that????)




lilfemme23 -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 9:22:35 PM)

i don't know how to quote and i think it is silly to quote myself, but in my last post i wasn't trying to say i didn't understand what you have all been saying. I only hadn't understood why domiguy was saying the tottal opposite. However you all cleared that up. Sorry that i can't seem to get my words out straight. i love all the advice but considering i don't drink or do drugs, the only courage i have is my own.. Which unless children, friends or family are involved, is sorely lacking in general. I'm trying to find a way to be strong enough it just may take a while. Also, since i do love Him i really want to make him happy if only for the last while so if you could give me some ideas of things i could do to suprise Him i'd also really appreciate that. Do not get me wrong though, all this previous advice has been taken to heart. It would be hard not to when i've been hearing it for the last year. i am not foolish i am just afraid i will not find someone i can love as much as Him. i guess there really is a lot of fear involved..




julietsierra -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 9:36:23 PM)

lilfemme, I don't want to be trite and all that, but hon, you're only 23 years old. I know that it seems that everything is so right on the surface and all that, but honestly, there are a ton of men out there and even if there weren't, again, I'd ask you, why do you believe that you don't deserve all that's good out there? Why do you believe that you only deserve the crumbs he drops for you?

A suggestion for you:

Take a sheet of paper. Fold it in half long ways. On one side, list all the things you hope for in a relationship - no matter how ridiculous or selfish it may seem. On the other side, list the things you have in your relationship. If, when all's said and done, there is a LOT more on the hoped for side than on the Have side...take a look at what you've written. and then, go get what you deserve.

Far beyond what he thinks of you, you have to figure out what YOU think of you. And then, you have to live up to your own expectations. It can happen, but it requires work. You can do it.

juliet




MissDiandSirHugh -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 10:02:51 PM)

Hello lilfemme23 as you have split once from Your Dom in a vanilla relationship and then returned as His slave but it seems you are lost in what direction you have taken or not being taken to and so need to know if You are not right as a slave or He is not right as a Dom drunk or sober.
Why not step away for a time and although as You say You need to be directed at all times or to be doing something for others as already suggested but also look for a Dom who although may not be Your One for 24/7 relationship but one who You feel can help You to discover that You should stay in the life style because it is Your path in life or if You are indeed a good slave and it is the Dom You stepped back from who is not really a Dom.
When You do talk to the Dom who You feel will be good to let You decide on what is what just let it be known why this is the reason You wish to serve Them but also once Your feelings and discoveries have been found that both of You should communicate more deeply at that time.
Although it seems to Us the bottle is the Dom and He the slave to it.   




trustingsub -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 10:09:54 PM)

i do not see someone being in control of things if they are drunk? if He is treating You like this, something seems very wrong. communication plays a huge role in any relationship... if You are not getting that communication from Him how are You to know what is pleasing in His eyes?
 
i myself would not put up with an intoxicated person belittling me, especially if they do not have the nerve to do it when sober! drunk people can be the most annoying thing in the world...




SexyRed -> RE: divine, anticipate, intuition (7/21/2007 10:12:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mythi

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilfemme23

my Master seems to want me to know what is expected of me with out telling me what i should or should not do. He tells me i am not a suitable sub/slave because i have not learned to anticipate His needs, He has to get drunk to tell me that i am or am not doing things which i should/ shouldn't do. I want to please Him but i do not know how to figure out what things He wants with out Him telling me. i appologise for my ignorance. 


What you're too close to the situation to see is that you'll NEVER please him.  Not because of any failing on your part, but because he simply can not be pleased.  He's unhappy and dissatisfied with himself and no amount of submission or serving will ever be able to reach that empty place inside him.  He has to fill it himself.

Now the question becomes, how much of your life will you waste in a relationship that's doomed to fail in the end anyway? 


I could not agree more. You cannot please him because he cannot please himself. Do not keep going with this, you are young and deserve better.




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