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Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 7:27:24 AM   
GhitaAmati


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Status: offline 		OK, here is my two cents for the day...some items quoted from Wayne LaPierre, permission given in an article he recently wrote.


 
It is already a well-known fact that tens of thousands of Americans have been erroneously added to the federal "terror watchlist". The concerns of civil liberties abuse are well founded, for once the main-stream media is dead on.

"Yet that concern evaporates when the Washington-based media enthusiastically reports those very same lists will be used to bar suspected terrorists from buying guns under legistration introduced by U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) in their coverage of S. 1237, there is never a hint about deeply flawed, innacurate lists, about the impossibility of ever getting off those lists or about the abuses by federal bureaucrats who manage the lists."
 
Unfortunantly the truth is a whole lot worse, because Lautenbergs bill isnt about banning gun sales to terrorists, that list is only the beginning. Its about giving an attorney general power to add anyone they want to the list of people prohibited from owning a gun. Placing regular folks on the same line as convicted felons and fugitives.  Whats bad about that? It can be done in total secrecy! Forget Second Amendment rights, what about the Fifth Amendments "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The criteria for being placed on this "prohibited" list-making gun control ownership a federal felony- will be based upon some faceless bureaucrat deciding a person is "appropriatly suspected" of some link to terror.

Here is the actual language of Lautenbergs S. 1237: "...any information which the Attorney General relied on for this determination may be withheld from the applicant if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security."

Ok...you dont care about the second or the fifth ammendments? How about the Sixth? "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherin the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his  favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

If we allow the second, fifth, and sixth ammendments to be suspended with a bureaucrat's edict, then so can the First Ammendment!!
 
"Write, email, and call your US Senators and Representatives, tell them to vote against this legislation in any form, as a stand alone bill or as an ammendment to other legislation. Or innocent people are going to be caught up in a nightmare from which there is no escape-our constitutional lifeline with have been forever severed."   Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice president, NRA
 
For more news about this and other legislation, visit www.nraila.org


As a side note...think about this...what happens when that future attorney general is a member of a Hillary Clinton Administration??

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 8:48:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I appreciate the posting, but it ain't gonna happen. This shitbag legislation has had many incarnations and has not passed muster. No reason NOT to remind our elected officials our stance on the issue though. This asshole is a real piece of work. I recall when the Assault Weapons Ban was up for expiration (sunsetting) and the dems pushed for legislation to make it permanent.

there was this Republican from UT (if I recall correctly) who took the floor and spoke against renewing the ban, presenting charts showing violent crime before the ban and during the ban committed with assault weapons. Both showed a constant 4%, indicating the regulation had no effect with respect to keeping the public safe from "assault weapons crime". Asshat Lautenberg comes up to add his two cents. "I was hunting with a friend..." (Dems always start the story with hunting to seem pro Second "within reason"... laughable really), "and while we were climbing a hill we saw a house. And my friend pointed that house to me and said, 'you know what that was?' I didn't and he informed me. 'That there was a meth lab that the police raided. and do you know what they found there when they raided that? 2 AK-47 assault weapons'. Friends and colleagues, we can't have our police facing that on the streets, vote for the continuation of this ban".

Talk about opening your mouth and removing all doubt. Some offhand, clearly fabricated anecdote that half contradicts what he was pushing for was the best he could do.

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 8:50:11 AM   
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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 9:46:05 AM   
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assault weapons'.


Yeh i hate weapons that assault people.  <<------ (thats a JOKE STUF)

That assault label classifies it as a WMD!  <----  (ANOTHER JOKE!)

Thanks the OP for bringing this to my attention as I agree with writing in and the reason for that is because they run this shit through over and over, there shoud be a sunset clause on how many times they can run it through), and if we do not continually write in they will assume and rightfully so that we have no interest or that no one will rise up against it.

We can get even you know......  support HR2755


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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 7:58:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

OK, here is my two cents for the day...some items quoted from Wayne LaPierre, permission given in an article he recently wrote.


 
It is already a well-known fact that tens of thousands of Americans have been erroneously added to the federal "terror watchlist". The concerns of civil liberties abuse are well founded, for once the main-stream media is dead on.

"Yet that concern evaporates when the Washington-based media enthusiastically reports those very same lists will be used to bar suspected terrorists from buying guns under legistration introduced by U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) in their coverage of S. 1237, there is never a hint about deeply flawed, innacurate lists, about the impossibility of ever getting off those lists or about the abuses by federal bureaucrats who manage the lists."
 
Unfortunantly the truth is a whole lot worse, because Lautenbergs bill isnt about banning gun sales to terrorists, that list is only the beginning. Its about giving an attorney general power to add anyone they want to the list of people prohibited from owning a gun. Placing regular folks on the same line as convicted felons and fugitives.  Whats bad about that? It can be done in total secrecy! Forget Second Amendment rights, what about the Fifth Amendments "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The criteria for being placed on this "prohibited" list-making gun control ownership a federal felony- will be based upon some faceless bureaucrat deciding a person is "appropriatly suspected" of some link to terror.

Here is the actual language of Lautenbergs S. 1237: "...any information which the Attorney General relied on for this determination may be withheld from the applicant if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security."

Ok...you dont care about the second or the fifth ammendments? How about the Sixth? "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherin the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his  favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

If we allow the second, fifth, and sixth ammendments to be suspended with a bureaucrat's edict, then so can the First Ammendment!!
 
"Write, email, and call your US Senators and Representatives, tell them to vote against this legislation in any form, as a stand alone bill or as an ammendment to other legislation. Or innocent people are going to be caught up in a nightmare from which there is no escape-our constitutional lifeline with have been forever severed."   Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice president, NRA
 
For more news about this and other legislation, visit www.nraila.org


As a side note...think about this...what happens when that future attorney general is a member of a Hillary Clinton Administration??


"It is already a well-known fact that tens of thousands of Americans have been erroneously added to the federal "terror watchlist". The concerns of civil liberties abuse are well founded, for once the main-stream media is dead on."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For once?!?lol
I see,when you agree,then the "main-stream media"gets it right, for once".hmmmmm.

It`s also"well-known" , that tens of thousands of registered voters,had their votes erroneously and illegally tossed out,in the 2000 and 2004.Ahh right,that`s okay,your guy bush got in,so it`s cool,screw the Constitution,the voters,whatever.Where were ya`ll for that?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"{will be used to bar suspected terrorists from buying guns under legistration "

So you NRA guys want to help the terrorists?hmmmm
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"Its about giving an attorney general power to add anyone they want to the list of people prohibited from owning a gun. Placing regular folks on the same line as convicted felons and fugitives."

No,no, no... if they`re on the list,they`re terrorist.See??Get it?They can`t be regular folks,if they`re on the list,silly!.The AG and bush have a super triple secrete magic crystal ball,that they use to figure out who`s who.If you`re on the list,you`re a terrorist(or a suspected terrorist,same thing anyway),Ok?nuff said,......next!.We want to fight`m there,not here,.Right?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"It can be done in total secrecy! Forget Second Amendment rights, what about the Fifth Amendments "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Let me bring ya`ll up to speed,....Bush has all ready done that.Your opportunity to defend the 5th Amendments,is a dollar short, and years to late.You probably helped bush in eroding our 5th amendment,by supporting the "patriot act".Good one,<chuckle>...little did you know it would bite you in the ass.This is complicated stuff,you gotta think it through...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"The criteria for being placed on this "prohibited" list-making gun control ownership a federal felony- will be based upon some faceless bureaucrat deciding a person is "appropriatly suspected" of some link to terror."

No,no,no,no,...it`s not ,"some faceless bureaucrat ".They are "Warriors Against Terrorists",or wait,maybe,they`re "Freedom Fighters"(that has a ring),or maybe "Fighters of Evil Doers"(that sounds bushian)

Again,to bring y`all up to speed,bush has also tossed that out too,lol.Again,you and the NRS types(republicans), were no-shows,when bush and the AG decided,that those amendments were quaint and out dated.Again,to late.But at least there`s the comfort of knowing that bush is all knowing,he doesn`t make mistakes, and he won`t let any regular folks get on the list.Don`t worry......<chuckle>

Perhaps it`s because the NRAers have only focused on the 2nd Amendment,that they have forgotten about the rest of it.When the PODUS was suspending whole parts of it,ya`ll were fine w/ that,after all,this is a war for oil,err,sorry,a war against terror.We gotta suspend civil liberties!To fight the terrorist,right?Ha-ha,now who has egg on their face?

By the way folks,the terrorist can`t take away our civil liberties,they can`t take away our free speech,or our right to assemble and petition.Only "our" government can do that.The terrorist can`t curb or intimidate our press,or our right to know,only "our"government can do that.The terrorists can`t take your property,try you w/ out a lawyer and throw you into prison,secretly.Only "our"government can do that.Think about that.
I would love to see the gun lovers, embrace the whole Constitution,and not just the parts they like.

Peace

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 10:12:50 PM   
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"It is already a well-known fact that tens of thousands of Americans have been erroneously added to the federal "terror watchlist". The concerns of civil liberties abuse are well founded, for once the main-stream media is dead on."


Relevance?


quote:

It`s also"well-known" , that tens of thousands of registered voters,had their votes erroneously and illegally tossed out,in the 2000 and 2004.Ahh right,that`s okay,your guy bush got in,so it`s cool,screw the Constitution,the voters,whatever.Where were ya`ll for that?


Yes. We had a circle jerk over it. Again, relevance? This is nothing but a fucking troll post that bashes the easiest target in the US: Bush, and those who either voted for him, or support the 2A. If this topic was about Bush, or something Bush said/did regarding the topic then it would be fair game. In this case, there is no connection whatsoever and as such this is a troll post that serves no other purpose than to antagonize those who wish to discuss the topic.

quote:

So you NRA guys want to help the terrorists?hmmmm


Yes, we do. Any other pearls for us, troll?

quote:

Let me bring ya`ll up to speed,....Bush has all ready done that.Your opportunity to defend the 5th Amendments,is a dollar short, and years to late.You probably helped bush in eroding our 5th amendment,by supporting the "patriot act".Good one,<chuckle>...little did you know it would bite you in the ass.This is complicated stuff,you gotta think it through...


If you are going to bait people with bullshit topics, at least get your facts straight. What was the senate voting record for approval of the Patriot Act? 98 Yea, 1 Nay, 1 Absent. Yeah, the Bush-blowing NRAers took over the senate that day. it amazes me how Bush lied to and duped the poor Democrats into voting this way, but those who voted for Bush, or believed in some part of his cause at the time were behind the conspiracy from day one. God, I abhor stupidity.


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Perhaps it`s because the NRAers have only focused on the 2nd Amendment,that they have forgotten about the rest of it.When the PODUS was suspending whole parts of it,ya`ll were fine w/ that,after all,this is a war for oil,err,sorry,a war against terror.We gotta suspend civil liberties!To fight the terrorist,right?Ha-ha,now who has egg on their face?


Perhaps it's because the "NRAers" are the only people who seem to care about that part of the Constitution enough to do something about the situation. Talk about bullshit trolling hypocrisy. Go contact the ACLU. Ask them what they do about the 8th Amendment, and the 1st, the 4th, the 5th, and the 14th. Boy, they'll serve you up a list a mile long regarding battles, resources and representation. Now, ask them what they do/did regarding Second Amendment rights. They'll look at you like you just brought a pitbull with AIDS sporting an "I eat babies" bib around its neck into the office. The American CIVIL LIBERTIES Union has taken the unofficial stance that The Second Amendment has no place in their quest for "justice". The only people who seem to extend any effort with respect to this Amendment (other than the antis, hell bent on scrapping it) are the NRA-types, so until "liberties" groups actually provide some relief and assistance, perhaps you can keep your mouth shut regarding your complaints about the other rights that are fairly represented by the media and liberties groups that these guys aren't supporting as vociferously .


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By the way folks,the terrorist can`t take away our civil liberties,they can`t take away our free speech,or our right to assemble and petition.Only "our" government can do that.The terrorist can`t curb or intimidate our press,or our right to know,only "our"government can do that.The terrorists can`t take your property,try you w/ out a lawyer and throw you into prison,secretly.Only "our"government can do that.Think about that.
I would love to see the gun lovers, embrace the whole Constitution,and not just the parts they like.


Again, with the hypocrisy and trolling. What makes you think such an animal doesn't exist? Even granting your ignorant notion for the sake of argument, at least they are doing SOMETHING to fight this government against taking rights away, even if it is ONE right. So, we have those who pick one issue (that everybody else has abandoned) and fight for it vigorously, as opposed to some guy who sits here explaining how government takes the rights away on the one hand, then comes here to piss on a post advocating activism on a constitutional issue. Gee, with such do-nothing trolling, it's a "real wonder" why the state of the union is the way you depict it. Maybe you can demonstrate BY EXAMPLE how YOU fight for ALL Constitutional rights and encourage the "NRAers" to do the same, instead of talking shit about what needs to be done out of one side of your mouth, and pissing on people that actually do something about it out of the other side.
 

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 10:52:27 PM   
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To whom it may concern:
I find it interesting that everyone who has posted so far feels that this is flawed legislation.  So why are we quibbling amongst ourselves about the nuance of how to pick fly shit out of pepper.
As long as the power structure can con us into believing that there is a difference between the red states and the blue states they can continue to do as they choose.  Here is an issue that affects all of us and instead of picking fly shit out of the pepper we should be presenting a unified front against this assault on our constitution by those who would enslave us in the name of ----------fill in the appropriate phrase of the day.
I am not suggesting that we should all hold hands and walk down the beach in the moonlight but we do need to stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to this piece of legislation.
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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/20/2007 10:54:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


"It is already a well-known fact that tens of thousands of Americans have been erroneously added to the federal "terror watchlist". The concerns of civil liberties abuse are well founded, for once the main-stream media is dead on."


Relevance?


quote:

It`s also"well-known" , that tens of thousands of registered voters,had their votes erroneously and illegally tossed out,in the 2000 and 2004.Ahh right,that`s okay,your guy bush got in,so it`s cool,screw the Constitution,the voters,whatever.Where were ya`ll for that?


Yes. We had a circle jerk over it. Again, relevance? This is nothing but a fucking troll post that bashes the easiest target in the US: Bush, and those who either voted for him, or support the 2A. If this topic was about Bush, or something Bush said/did regarding the topic then it would be fair game. In this case, there is no connection whatsoever and as such this is a troll post that serves no other purpose than to antagonize those who wish to discuss the topic.

quote:

So you NRA guys want to help the terrorists?hmmmm


Yes, we do. Any other pearls for us, troll?

quote:

Let me bring ya`ll up to speed,....Bush has all ready done that.Your opportunity to defend the 5th Amendments,is a dollar short, and years to late.You probably helped bush in eroding our 5th amendment,by supporting the "patriot act".Good one,<chuckle>...little did you know it would bite you in the ass.This is complicated stuff,you gotta think it through...


If you are going to bait people with bullshit topics, at least get your facts straight. What was the senate voting record for approval of the Patriot Act? 98 Yea, 1 Nay, 1 Absent. Yeah, the Bush-blowing NRAers took over the senate that day. it amazes me how Bush lied to and duped the poor Democrats into voting this way, but those who voted for Bush, or believed in some part of his cause at the time were behind the conspiracy from day one. God, I abhor stupidity.


quote:

Perhaps it`s because the NRAers have only focused on the 2nd Amendment,that they have forgotten about the rest of it.When the PODUS was suspending whole parts of it,ya`ll were fine w/ that,after all,this is a war for oil,err,sorry,a war against terror.We gotta suspend civil liberties!To fight the terrorist,right?Ha-ha,now who has egg on their face?


Perhaps it's because the "NRAers" are the only people who seem to care about that part of the Constitution enough to do something about the situation. Talk about bullshit trolling hypocrisy. Go contact the ACLU. Ask them what they do about the 8th Amendment, and the 1st, the 4th, the 5th, and the 14th. Boy, they'll serve you up a list a mile long regarding battles, resources and representation. Now, ask them what they do/did regarding Second Amendment rights. They'll look at you like you just brought a pitbull with AIDS sporting an "I eat babies" bib around its neck into the office. The American CIVIL LIBERTIES Union has taken the unofficial stance that The Second Amendment has no place in their quest for "justice". The only people who seem to extend any effort with respect to this Amendment (other than the antis, hell bent on scrapping it) are the NRA-types, so until "liberties" groups actually provide some relief and assistance, perhaps you can keep your mouth shut regarding your complaints about the other rights that are fairly represented by the media and liberties groups that these guys aren't supporting as vociferously .


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By the way folks,the terrorist can`t take away our civil liberties,they can`t take away our free speech,or our right to assemble and petition.Only "our" government can do that.The terrorist can`t curb or intimidate our press,or our right to know,only "our"government can do that.The terrorists can`t take your property,try you w/ out a lawyer and throw you into prison,secretly.Only "our"government can do that.Think about that.
I would love to see the gun lovers, embrace the whole Constitution,and not just the parts they like.


Again, with the hypocrisy and trolling. What makes you think such an animal doesn't exist? Even granting your ignorant notion for the sake of argument, at least they are doing SOMETHING to fight this government against taking rights away, even if it is ONE right. So, we have those who pick one issue (that everybody else has abandoned) and fight for it vigorously, as opposed to some guy who sits here explaining how government takes the rights away on the one hand, then comes here to piss on a post advocating activism on a constitutional issue. Gee, with such do-nothing trolling, it's a "real wonder" why the state of the union is the way you depict it. Maybe you can demonstrate BY EXAMPLE how YOU fight for ALL Constitutional rights and encourage the "NRAers" to do the same, instead of talking shit about what needs to be done out of one side of your mouth, and pissing on people that actually do something about it out of the other side.
 

Wow ,what a name caller.<snickers>
Ya know dude?
You`re young enough to join up.
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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 5:31:15 AM   
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I am not suggesting that we should all hold hands and walk down the beach in the moonlight but we do need to stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to this piece of legislation.


I knew there was a reason I like this guy so much.  Good work, Thompson!  Bravo!!!
 
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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 7:55:30 AM   
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Wow ,what a name caller.<snickers>

There was only one name thrown out, and If the bridge fits...

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Ya know dude?


Ya know sugartits, dude is chummy term used by one familiar enough with the other to know it's acceptable. You aren't my buddy, you aren't my friend, and I'm not the Big Lebowski.

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You`re young enough to join up.
Why aren`t you serving ?


...and you're old enough to start using an apostrophe over your contractions, so why don't you?
Frankly, that is none of your fucking business whatsoever, and aside from the fact that it has NOTHING to do with the topic, my mental math tells me you lack any standing to ask that question, unless you happened to be there those 48 hours "when the shit went down in Grenada."

Despite the fact that you are a troll who (unless I missed something) has never fought in a foreign war for this country, and despite the fact it is none of your business, if you are truly that concerned about what's going on with me and that option in the near future, you may PM me with such an inquiry, or you may explain before everybody here your peacetime military service record, or your reasonable excuse for having never served at all, and some tie of relevence with respect to this thread. Otherwise, read the board code, particularly the portion about trolling posts.


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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 8:49:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx 
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I am not suggesting that we should all hold hands and walk down the beach in the moonlight but we do need to stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to this piece of legislation.


I knew there was a reason I like this guy so much.  Good work, Thompson!  Bravo!!!
 
Beverly


  I`m against this also.

Just wonder why the right(wing) hasn`t stepped up to the plate before.I am aware the AG Ashcroft, refused to use gun purchase lists in cross referencing w/ suspected terrorist lists,just after 9/11.I recall it was pressure from the NRA,that kept the AG from seeing if any suspects bought any guns legally.Other than that,I haven`t seen hide nor hair of the right,in defending any other hard-fought rights.Maybe someone could give an example of the republicans actively protecting our Constitutional rights.I can`t think of any,sense 9/11.I`ve only seen a steady erosion of those rights,so far.

Can I ask, people,why is it when the flood reaches your doorstep,that you finally do something?When ya`ll supported the patriot act,and demeaned those who questioned it,or said "hey,let`s think about this and what it really means",didn`t you consider that your favorite right, would/could/might also be threatened ?.So far,anyone who`s wanted to change or challenge parts of the act, have been vilified and libeled.

Does it take the eroding of your own favorite part of the Constitution,to finally act?We don`t have to pick and choose(and shouldn`t).We can have them all.

Will ya`ll only work on this,and not on restoring the other protections and rights guaranteed under our Constitution,that have been under attack by bush?Will you disappear when(if) this law is defeated and carry on as before?

I fear the answer is, yes.Still,I`ll oppose this(Lautenbrrg is my Senator) with you,and ask that all of you consider supporting democrats in restoring "all" of our constitutional rights and protections.As Dr. Ron Paul recenty  said,"you don`t have to give up your liberty,in order to be safe".I`m as liberal as they come,but I like this republican,Ron Paul.He`s no neo-con(new conservative).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJbx5apuJHQ

I agree with 99 and 44/100 percent with every thing this man says,in this interview w/ Colbert.If he were to win his party`s nomonation,I`d support him 110% and vote republican.Who thinks this guy has a chance?Be honest.

BTW,I`ve been in the audiance(at The Colbert Report) three times.It`s a blast,and free.If you`re coming to NYC,try to make being in a TV show audiance,part of your fun.Click around the site for tickets.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_report/index.jhtml

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 9:43:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

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ORIGINAL: Owner59



Wow ,what a name caller.<snickers>


There was only one name thrown out, and If the bridge fits...

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Ya know dude?


Ya know sugartits, dude is chummy term used by one familiar enough with the other to know it's acceptable. You aren't my buddy, you aren't my friend, and I'm not the Big Lebowski.

quote:

You`re young enough to join up.
Why aren`t you serving ?


...and you're old enough to start using an apostrophe over your contractions, so why don't you?
Frankly, that is none of your fucking business whatsoever, and aside from the fact that it has NOTHING to do with the topic, my mental math tells me you lack any standing to ask that question, unless you happened to be there those 48 hours "when the shit went down in Grenada."

Despite the fact that you are a troll who (unless I missed something) has never fought in a foreign war for this country, and despite the fact it is none of your business, if you are truly that concerned about what's going on with me and that option in the near future, you may PM me with such an inquiry, or you may explain before everybody here your peacetime military service record, or your reasonable excuse for having never served at all, and some tie of relevence with respect to this thread. Otherwise, read the board code, particularly the portion about trolling posts.

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Ok,

I`ll speak your in language.

I`m rubber, you`re glue.What ever you say, bounces off me and sticks to you.

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 9:44:53 AM   
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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 9:51:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wanted to thank you all for your comments, I basically quoted the majority of my original post verbatum from my husbands most recent NRA magazine, just to see what the response would be like on here. Im not going to go back and stir the pot with my own personal ideals and opinions...just wanted to thank everyone who chimed in.

My husband teaches some gun saftey and self defense courses to what is considered our local "militia" group. A bunch of wacko conspirisy theorists in my mind, but sometimes there is alot of truth in the tales they spin...lol...anyway, I may not agree with everything they hand me to read, but they pay my husband good so we keep showing up....

Someone up there said something about not defending only a "portion" of the constitution...isnt that what all groups do? Take the parts that mean the most to them and ignore the rest? It doesnt mean they dont care about them, it just isnt their biggest prioroty, and in truth, I have no problem with this....there is a political group out there for just about every ammendment....and as long as they keep bashing the idiot bills they feel are infringing on thier rights, someone else will be bashing others.

I was in no way saying this was the most important peice of legislation out there today...just hoping to get some responses and opinions. What shocks me the most, is the number of people who have no idea what types of legislation are being talked about currently, and could care less.

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:14:40 AM   
Owner59


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

I wanted to thank you all for your comments, I basically quoted the majority of my original post verbatum from my husbands most recent NRA magazine, just to see what the response would be like on here. Im not going to go back and stir the pot with my own personal ideals and opinions...just wanted to thank everyone who chimed in.

My husband teaches some gun saftey and self defense courses to what is considered our local "militia" group. A bunch of wacko conspirisy theorists in my mind, but sometimes there is alot of truth in the tales they spin...lol...anyway, I may not agree with everything they hand me to read, but they pay my husband good so we keep showing up....

Someone up there said something about not defending only a "portion" of the constitution...isnt that what all groups do? Take the parts that mean the most to them and ignore the rest? It doesnt mean they dont care about them, it just isnt their biggest prioroty, and in truth, I have no problem with this....there is a political group out there for just about every ammendment....and as long as they keep bashing the idiot bills they feel are infringing on thier rights, someone else will be bashing others.

I was in no way saying this was the most important peice of legislation out there today...just hoping to get some responses and opinions. What shocks me the most, is the number of people who have no idea what types of legislation are being talked about currently, and could care less.


True,the different groups have the their "special interests".That`s fair to say,and there`s nothing wrong w/ that.That`s part of how things work.
On top of that,certain groups are attempting to re-interpret the amendments,to their own agenda.Nothing wrong w/ that either.The debate(an honest one) is healthy.

I would like to see a true constitutionalist in office,like republican candidate Dr. Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJbx5apuJHQ

I`ll go with the Constitution and where it falls,every time.Whether I like it or not.I don` feel I have the luxury to not support the whole document and it`s amendments,all of it`s amendments.

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:22:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ghita, yes, I think that there's some truth to some people seeing only what they want in the Constitution.
For instance, they're "real big" on the First Amendment in places like Boston, NYC, & San Francisco but in those places it's like there is no Second Amendment in the Constitution!
They just skip right to the third.

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:30:35 AM   
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and popeye...I wanted to say that I LOVE your signature line...too funny

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:32:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ghita, yes, I think that there's some truth to some people seeing only what they want in the Constitution.
For instance, they're "real big" on the First Amendment in places like Boston, NYC, & San Francisco but in those places it's like there is no Second Amendment in the Constitution!
They just skip right to the third.


Yup,..they skip right over  to the 3rd.
Quartering soldiers is REALLY,really unpopular in those citys.<tongue in cheek>
http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/BillOfRights.html#3

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:38:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

For the record, Owner, I call Ron Pauls number at least weekly to see what the new message is...lol...

and popeye...I wanted to say that I LOVE your signature line...too funny



It is funny...


And another thing,Popeye,ya gonna tell us what time it is?Ya been look`n at that watch a good while now  ; )

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RE: Lautenberg's S.1237 - gun owners should read - 7/21/2007 10:46:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		about giving quarter to soldiers...

every time one of those weekend drills runs around, ive got a houseful of the ones from out of town not wanting to pay a hotel bill...which really drives me nuts, because alot of these young kids in the reserves, have to spend more to travel to and from drill, and pay for a hotel and eating out...than they actually MAKE in a drill weekend...

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