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Real0ne -> If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/18/2007 10:59:36 PM)



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=951683004690772789


A long list of coincidences that never seems to end in this administration.  unreal.








SugarMyChurro -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 7:11:18 AM)

Did you have a nice nap?

This isn't news. Almost all of those facts are well-established. There has been endless commentary on these very things by many, many political analysts including people like Greg Palast and Michael Moore that many would try to defame just for making these facts known.

In my view the problem is that many are still asleep. And sadly, our Republic requires people that actively give a shit about more than the latest TV wardrobe malfunction or daily celebrity gossip.




FirmhandKY -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 9:09:02 AM)

Total written part of the video:

An Aidan Monaghan Production  (Aidan Monaghan -  "Associate Member, Scholars For 9/11 Truth" )

"Is The War On Terror A Global Energy War In Disguise?"

Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Are The Ties Between George W. Bush And Accused 9/11 Mastermind Osama Bin Laden Also A Coincidence?


1988

A Brother Of Accused 9/11 Mastermind Osama Bin Laden Finances George W. Bush's "Harken Energy" Company.


June 6, 1992

The FBI Investigages Ties Between George W. Bush And A Representative Of The Family Of Osama Bin Laden.

The U.S. War On Terror Is Currently Being Waged In Afghanistan And Iraq.

Is It Just A Coincidence That The U.S. Energy Industry Showed Great Interest In These Nations Before The War On Terror Began?


October 11, 1996

"Afghan Pipeline Vital To 'One Of The Great Prizes Of The 21st Century.'" -'The Terror Timeline'-2004


October, 1997

An Ex-U.S. National Security Advisor Advocates U.S. Domination Of Resources Rich Central Asia.  Of Which Afghanistan Is A Part.  (over picture of Zbigniew Brzezinski.)

"An enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region." - Zbignew Brzezinski


1999

U.S. Policy Document Reveals Willingness Of U.S. Military To Wage International War For Oil. (over picture of report titled "Strategic Assessment 1999")


November, 1999

"The middle east, with two-thirds of the world's oil ... is still where the prized ultimaely lies." - Future Vice President Dick Cheney


January 21, 2001

George W. Bush Becomes President And Forms A Cabinet With Many Ex-Oil Industry Figures.

Vice President Dick Cheney Is The Former CEO Of the Energy Services Company 'Halliburton'.

Condoleezza Rice Is A Former Board Member Of 'Chevron' Oil

A 'Chevron' Oil Tanker Is Named After Her.


January 25, 2001

Vice President Cheney Convenes A Secretive Energy Policy Meeting. (over a picture of document "National Energy Policy.")

7 Meeting Pages Are Eventually Revealed, All Maps Of Middle Eastern Oil Fields, Including Iraq's. (over map of Iraq).


January 31, 2001

Government Memo Reveals Plans For A Post Saddam Hussein Iraq


March 5, 2001

Pentagon Document Reveals Plans For Future Oil Explorations In Iraq.


April 12, 2001

An Energy Security Report Urges Review Of U.S. Policy Toward Iraq.

Iraq Possesses The World's 4th Largest Oil Reserves.

"The United States should conduct an immediate policy review towrard Iraq ... including military."


December 22, 2001

A Former 'Unocal' Oil Consultant Is Installed As Afghanistan's New Prime Minister (over Unocal logo).


February 22, 2002

"U.S Military Bases Line Afghan Pipeline Route" - 'The Terror Timeline'


May 30, 2002

(Picture of BBC website newsreport, with headline of "Afghan pipeline given go-ahead")

3 Million Illegal Aliens Enter The U.S. Each Year, Any Of Which Could Be A So Called International 'Terrorist'.

If International Terrorism Is A Major Threat To The U.S., Why Does The U.S. Government Tolerate Undefended Borders?

The U.S. Currently Is Threatening Iran Militarily For It's Alleged Nuclear Weapons Programs.

Iran Also Happens To Possess The 3rd Largest Oil Reserves In The World.

Coincidence?

North Korea Possesses Nuclear Weapons And The Missiles To Carry Them.

"We currently have nuclear weapons."  - Gen. Ri Chan Bok- North Korea
- '60 Minutes-1/16/2006

North Korea Is Considered By The U.S. State Department As A Supposed Sponsor Of International "Terrorism'.

The U.S Has No Current Plans For Military Action Against North Korea.

North Korea Possesses No Significant Natural Energy Reserves.

Coincidence?

Energy Scarcity Leaves North Korean Nighttime Skies Darkened.


October 25, 2005

The U.S. Reportedly Plans For Invasion Of Venezuala.

Venezuala Possessess The Largest Oil Reserves In The Western Hemisphere.

Are U.S. Fighting Forces Simply Being Used To Steal The Worlds Oil?

Have We All Been Lied To?

The question, "Have We All Been Lied To?" is easy to answer.  Yes.  By the producer of this piece of propaganda.

FirmKY




Pulpsmack -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 2:18:47 PM)

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


"Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Uh, yeah. It is a coincidence. Just as it is a coincidence that the entire oil-rich region is inhabited by a people who are led by anti-western extremists (AKA those who don't practice the popular "tolerant" form of Islam).



FirmhandKY -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 2:32:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


Yup.  Same ole' BS.

FirmKY



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:00:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Are U.S. Fighting Forces Simply Being Used To Steal The Worlds Oil?

Have We All Been Lied To?

The question, "Have We All Been Lied To?" is easy to answer.  Yes.  By the producer of this piece of propaganda.

FirmKY




wonderful!   Now that we have established that we have been lied to what is the truth then?  (since everything else has an agenda or is propaganda)



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:03:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


Yup.  Same ole' BS.

FirmKY





Great!  Then you would not mind supplying me with proper evidence that would stand up in a court room as PROOF that the perps are all who they are claimed to be then would you..........



CuriousLord -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:07:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


Yup.  Same ole' BS.

FirmKY





Great!  Then you would not mind supplying me with proper evidence that would stand up in a court room as PROOF that the perps are all who they are claimed to be then would you..........



Walnut.  Brown, cristy walnuts.  Encrusted with sugar-dipped chocolate fudge carmel bananas.

No court in the land could deny this.

PS-  Bagel.



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:08:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


"Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Uh, yeah. It is a coincidence. Just as it is a coincidence that the entire oil-rich region is inhabited by a people who are led by anti-western extremists (AKA those who don't practice the popular "tolerant" form of Islam).


Hmm i dont knwo they all seem to practice oilism and money pretty well from my perspective.  That is apretty well no that is a hugely general statement you just made there.  Care to narrow it down or do you want me to believe that every arab hates us and wants to wage war against us?

But you are rioght is is just a coincidence that while have nothing of use to us korea is building nukes and delivery systems we are busy fighting a war as a result of lies in the most oil rich part of the world and setting up house there...  Oh because they "may" have had nukes, but really did not.... 



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:09:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


Yup.  Same ole' BS.

FirmKY





Great!  Then you would not mind supplying me with proper evidence that would stand up in a court room as PROOF that the perps are all who they are claimed to be then would you..........



Walnut.  Brown, cristy walnuts.  Encrusted with sugar-dipped chocolate fudge carmel bananas.

No court in the land could deny this.

PS-  Bagel.


now i was thinking more along the lines of sticky bunz!!!!



Pulpsmack -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/19/2007 8:57:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


"Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Uh, yeah. It is a coincidence. Just as it is a coincidence that the entire oil-rich region is inhabited by a people who are led by anti-western extremists (AKA those who don't practice the popular "tolerant" form of Islam).


Hmm i dont knwo they all seem to practice oilism and money pretty well from my perspective.  That is apretty well no that is a hugely general statement you just made there.  Care to narrow it down or do you want me to believe that every arab hates us and wants to wage war against us?


Actually I thought I did it fairly well. A large part of the instability/threat potential with much of the Middle East is the the quasi theocracy of minority extremists who do not endorse the more "honest" and tolerant form of Islam. Iran is a shining example of this, but Syria and even Sunni run Iraq serve as such examples (although the latter was rather secular).



quote:

But you are rioght is is just a coincidence that while have nothing of use to us korea is building nukes and delivery systems we are busy fighting a war as a result of lies in the most oil rich part of the world and setting up house there...  Oh because they "may" have had nukes, but really did not.... 


Wow... you really haven't thought very deeply on this subject, have you? Anti-western terrorists attacked (or attempted to attack) the United States and/or its allies before, during, and after 9/11. I don't recall any such attack made by a North Korean terrorist group allowed to fester within the borders of that state, launching such actions against the U.S. Moreover, an attack against most Middle Eastern nations will garner some tongue clucking from the UslessNincompoops and (depending) a backlash of public opinion. Try that with North Korea. They are intimately linked with China, and somewhat close allies with Russia. Communist Asia may be accused of mistrust, xenophobia, and competition, but there is no "the infidel must die" attitude pervading that society, much less the government (despite the relative madness of Il himself)

North Korea could potentially be one of the nation's biggest threats, but you don't go jeopardizing everything in the Red's spehere of influence when an attack has neither occured, nor is imminent. The Middle East is a different story, all together.  Attacking that region after there has been a demonstration of force, which (substantially) all nations in the region least turn a blind eye towards (if not tacitly or openly support) can be done with impunity, and that is why such battles are chosen.  

Venezuela is one of the most oil rich areas in south America and Chavez is the most vociferous hater of the US and Bush south of the Equator. If this whole thing was nothing but a Pac Man oil scheme, there would be no reason why Venezuela wouldn't be added to the "trumped up" list as well.



FirmhandKY -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/20/2007 12:22:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Great!  Then you would not mind supplying me with proper evidence that would stand up in a court room as PROOF that the perps are all who they are claimed to be then would you..........



What's funny is that your level of required "proof" to support your conspiracy theories is basically hearsay and innuendo, while you'll only accept "court room" level proof for anything that challenges your beliefs.

What's that called?   .... Confirmation bias?

FirmKY



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/20/2007 7:25:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Great!  Then you would not mind supplying me with proper evidence that would stand up in a court room as PROOF that the perps are all who they are claimed to be then would you..........



What's funny is that your level of required "proof" to support your conspiracy theories is basically hearsay and innuendo, while you'll only accept "court room" level proof for anything that challenges your beliefs.

What's that called?   .... Confirmation bias?

FirmKY


Your "confirmation bias" and "agenda" labels are nothing more than a laughably lame ducking and side stepping of the issues put forth.   (speaking of inane)

If you feel you have some good data to share wonderful and if you have NOTHING just say you have nothing simple as that.  It really makes life more simple and preserves your credibility as well.

So since you do not have any proof how about some good hearsay then or do you just want to make this a labelling contest? 



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/20/2007 7:44:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


"Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Uh, yeah. It is a coincidence. Just as it is a coincidence that the entire oil-rich region is inhabited by a people who are led by anti-western extremists (AKA those who don't practice the popular "tolerant" form of Islam).


Hmm i dont knwo they all seem to practice oilism and money pretty well from my perspective.  That is apretty well no that is a hugely general statement you just made there.  Care to narrow it down or do you want me to believe that every arab hates us and wants to wage war against us?


Actually I thought I did it fairly well. A large part of the instability/threat potential with much of the Middle East is the the quasi theocracy of minority extremists who do not endorse the more "honest" and tolerant form of Islam. Iran is a shining example of this, but Syria and even Sunni run Iraq serve as such examples (although the latter was rather secular).



quote:

But you are rioght is is just a coincidence that while have nothing of use to us korea is building nukes and delivery systems we are busy fighting a war as a result of lies in the most oil rich part of the world and setting up house there...  Oh because they "may" have had nukes, but really did not.... 


Wow... you really haven't thought very deeply on this subject, have you? Anti-western terrorists attacked (or attempted to attack) the United States and/or its allies before, during, and after 9/11. I don't recall any such attack made by a North Korean terrorist group allowed to fester within the borders of that state, launching such actions against the U.S. Moreover, an attack against most Middle Eastern nations will garner some tongue clucking from the UslessNincompoops and (depending) a backlash of public opinion. Try that with North Korea. They are intimately linked with China, and somewhat close allies with Russia. Communist Asia may be accused of mistrust, xenophobia, and competition, but there is no "the infidel must die" attitude pervading that society, much less the government (despite the relative madness of Il himself)

North Korea could potentially be one of the nation's biggest threats, but you don't go jeopardizing everything in the Red's spehere of influence when an attack has neither occured, nor is imminent. The Middle East is a different story, all together.  Attacking that region after there has been a demonstration of force, which (substantially) all nations in the region least turn a blind eye towards (if not tacitly or openly support) can be done with impunity, and that is why such battles are chosen.  

Venezuela is one of the most oil rich areas in south America and Chavez is the most vociferous hater of the US and Bush south of the Equator. If this whole thing was nothing but a Pac Man oil scheme, there would be no reason why Venezuela wouldn't be added to the "trumped up" list as well.



"infidel must die" is a product of the media  and the government rather then the whole of the me.   great war sales pitch.

I like your UN labels but i like mine better.  united numbnuts.

I will sum it up instead of microscoping it.  

The war on terror serves 3 very obvious purposes and several more not so obvious.

First - the take over of the american government.

Second - oil

Third - the encirclement of china





Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 11:53:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack

Oh, not this "we waged war for oil" shit again.


"Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Uh, yeah. It is a coincidence. Just as it is a coincidence that the entire oil-rich region is inhabited by a people who are led by anti-western extremists (AKA those who don't practice the popular "tolerant" form of Islam).


Why would i bring up anything as rediculous as that?

U.S., U.K. Waged War on Iraq Because of Oil, Blair Adviser Says

By James Kirkup London, May 1 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. and U.K. went to war against Iraq because of the Middle East country's oil reserves, an adviser to British Prime Minister Tony Blair said. Sir Jonathan Porritt, head of the Sustainable Development Commission, which advises Blair's government on ecological issues, said the prospect of winning access to Iraqi oil was ''a very large factor'' in the allies' decision to attack Iraq in March. "I don't think the war would have happened if Iraq didn't have the second-largest oil reserves in the world,'' Porritt said in a Sky News television interview. Opponents of the war, including some members of Blair's Labour Party, have said that the conflict was aimed at securing Iraqi reserves to benefit Western economies and oil companies. U.S. and U.K. leaders have repeatedly rejected that, saying the war began because Iraq held illegal weapons and threatened other countries. Blair has said he wants Iraqi oil revenues to be held in a United Nations-run trust fund and sp
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/050103_oil_war.html



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 11:56:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Total written part of the video:

An Aidan Monaghan Production  (Aidan Monaghan -  "Associate Member, Scholars For 9/11 Truth" )

"Is The War On Terror A Global Energy War In Disguise?"

Is It Just A Coincidence That All Of The Targets In the U.S. "War On Terror" Are Located In The Most Energy-Rich Regions Of The World?"

Are The Ties Between George W. Bush And Accused 9/11 Mastermind Osama Bin Laden Also A Coincidence?


1988

A Brother Of Accused 9/11 Mastermind Osama Bin Laden Finances George W. Bush's "Harken Energy" Company.


June 6, 1992

The FBI Investigages Ties Between George W. Bush And A Representative Of The Family Of Osama Bin Laden.

The U.S. War On Terror Is Currently Being Waged In Afghanistan And Iraq.

Is It Just A Coincidence That The U.S. Energy Industry Showed Great Interest In These Nations Before The War On Terror Began?


October 11, 1996

"Afghan Pipeline Vital To 'One Of The Great Prizes Of The 21st Century.'" -'The Terror Timeline'-2004


October, 1997

An Ex-U.S. National Security Advisor Advocates U.S. Domination Of Resources Rich Central Asia.  Of Which Afghanistan Is A Part.  (over picture of Zbigniew Brzezinski.)

"An enormous concentration of natural gas and oil reserves is located in the region." - Zbignew Brzezinski


1999

U.S. Policy Document Reveals Willingness Of U.S. Military To Wage International War For Oil. (over picture of report titled "Strategic Assessment 1999")


November, 1999

"The middle east, with two-thirds of the world's oil ... is still where the prized ultimaely lies." - Future Vice President Dick Cheney


January 21, 2001

George W. Bush Becomes President And Forms A Cabinet With Many Ex-Oil Industry Figures.

Vice President Dick Cheney Is The Former CEO Of the Energy Services Company 'Halliburton'.

Condoleezza Rice Is A Former Board Member Of 'Chevron' Oil

A 'Chevron' Oil Tanker Is Named After Her.


January 25, 2001

Vice President Cheney Convenes A Secretive Energy Policy Meeting. (over a picture of document "National Energy Policy.")

7 Meeting Pages Are Eventually Revealed, All Maps Of Middle Eastern Oil Fields, Including Iraq's. (over map of Iraq).


January 31, 2001

Government Memo Reveals Plans For A Post Saddam Hussein Iraq


March 5, 2001

Pentagon Document Reveals Plans For Future Oil Explorations In Iraq.


April 12, 2001

An Energy Security Report Urges Review Of U.S. Policy Toward Iraq.

Iraq Possesses The World's 4th Largest Oil Reserves.

"The United States should conduct an immediate policy review towrard Iraq ... including military."


December 22, 2001

A Former 'Unocal' Oil Consultant Is Installed As Afghanistan's New Prime Minister (over Unocal logo).


February 22, 2002

"U.S Military Bases Line Afghan Pipeline Route" - 'The Terror Timeline'


May 30, 2002

(Picture of BBC website newsreport, with headline of "Afghan pipeline given go-ahead")

3 Million Illegal Aliens Enter The U.S. Each Year, Any Of Which Could Be A So Called International 'Terrorist'.

If International Terrorism Is A Major Threat To The U.S., Why Does The U.S. Government Tolerate Undefended Borders?

The U.S. Currently Is Threatening Iran Militarily For It's Alleged Nuclear Weapons Programs.

Iran Also Happens To Possess The 3rd Largest Oil Reserves In The World.

Coincidence?

North Korea Possesses Nuclear Weapons And The Missiles To Carry Them.

"We currently have nuclear weapons."  - Gen. Ri Chan Bok- North Korea
- '60 Minutes-1/16/2006

North Korea Is Considered By The U.S. State Department As A Supposed Sponsor Of International "Terrorism'.

The U.S Has No Current Plans For Military Action Against North Korea.

North Korea Possesses No Significant Natural Energy Reserves.

Coincidence?

Energy Scarcity Leaves North Korean Nighttime Skies Darkened.


October 25, 2005

The U.S. Reportedly Plans For Invasion Of Venezuala.

Venezuala Possessess The Largest Oil Reserves In The Western Hemisphere.

Are U.S. Fighting Forces Simply Being Used To Steal The Worlds Oil?

Have We All Been Lied To?

The question, "Have We All Been Lied To?" is easy to answer.  Yes.  By the producer of this piece of propaganda.

FirmKY





Propaganda?    PLease show your research as i do demonstrating that what you say is or has an resemblance of factual credibility.



corysub -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 12:10:02 PM)

War for oil is a continuation of the silly left-wing attack on George Bush.  There is not a shred of evidence, current or historic, that the United
States has ever gone to war for conquest.  We could have done that following World War 1, World War 2, more recently in "freeing Kuwait"
from Sadaam..not taking over their reserves..and on and on.  Instead of rallying against Islamic terroists bent on jihad against the West, these
idiots continue to bite the hand that protects them and their stupid thinking.  I was in NYC on 9/11, my company lost people in the attack,
and so many have forgotten the lessons of the danger of complacency.  Certainly the Brits of all people should have never forgotten that costly
lesson when the Prime Minister came back from visiting Hitler with the words "peace in our time".  Once again we are fighting a war, not a bumper sticker as Edwards would think, but a full fledged attact on Western countries and their friends, ranging from the Phillipeans, to Malaysia, Pakistan, to England, Spain and Italy, among so many others.

No, it's not oil we are fighting for ... but self preservation in the nuclear age.



Real0ne -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 12:27:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

War for oil is a continuation of the silly left-wing attack on George Bush.  There is not a shred of evidence, current or historic, that the United
States has ever gone to war for conquest.  We could have done that following World War 1, World War 2, more recently in "freeing Kuwait"
from Sadaam..not taking over their reserves..and on and on.  Instead of rallying against Islamic terroists bent on jihad against the West, these
idiots continue to bite the hand that protects them and their stupid thinking.  I was in NYC on 9/11, my company lost people in the attack,
and so many have forgotten the lessons of the danger of complacency.  Certainly the Brits of all people should have never forgotten that costly
lesson when the Prime Minister came back from visiting Hitler with the words "peace in our time".  Once again we are fighting a war, not a bumper sticker as Edwards would think, but a full fledged attact on Western countries and their friends, ranging from the Phillipeans, to Malaysia, Pakistan, to England, Spain and Italy, among so many others.

No, it's not oil we are fighting for ... but self preservation in the nuclear age.


ok so blairs advisor Sir Jonathan Porritt is completely full of shit and you where in government? that you would know better?  WHat do you site to substantiate your claims? 

You are correct that the us is not interested in conquest.  We are only interested in strategic bases to protect our ravaging these countries resources and when we have no more use for them hang them out to dry.

Yes it would really suck if other nations WITH VALUABLE RESOURSES had nukes so we could not be so quick to push them around.  Hell that might even force us to actually negotiate once in a while.


Oh yah and as far as all those countries being attacked.....you must have missed some of the research that came out on the mossad.



corysub -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 1:59:06 PM)

quoting RealOne"
"ok so blairs advisor Sir Jonathan Porritt is completely full of shit and you where in government? that you would know better?  WHat do you site to substantiate your claims? 

You are correct that the us is not interested in conquest.  We are only interested in strategic bases to protect our ravaging these countries resources and when we have no more use for them hang them out to dry.
Yes it would really suck if other nations WITH VALUABLE RESOURSES had nukes so we could not be so quick to push them around.  Hell that might even force us to actually negotiate once in a while.
Oh yah and as far as all those countries being attacked.....you must have missed some of the research that came out on the mossad."  
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I seem to recall that "Blair" WAS in government and at no time did he deviate from the original thesis
with respect to Iraq.  Of course someone in the Blair government might have different view, we have that
in our own country.  However, you are the one that has to provide proof of the United States having anything in the way of "ravishing the resources of Iraq" in it's military actions.  You seem to have forgotten, or maybe are too young to remember that the Mossad was Israeli intlligence.  You must be referring to the U.S. action in Kosovo that staved off the genocide of the muslim minority, obviously done because of the rich resources of the area.  Gimme a break!  You speak in sophmoric slogans and generalities but no specifics with respect to where the United States has conquered or vanquised any country, unless you want to go back to the 18th century, in which case you can join the jihadists who are back in the 15th century.  And you are right, we did hang out a country to dry..South VietNam, a strong ally that was abandoned by the democrat party when they refused to fund promised military aid, and millions of people were imprisoned, killed, "re-educated" or fled in boats to freedom in the West.  I guess you forgot a bit of history, but not history to me since I remember every day of that war.

The good news is that americans are not people who take to political idiots such as Pelosi et al and are looking to surrender politically to jihadists.  The neolibs in Congress once again are undermining the morale and safety of our troops to get at Bush...and will suffer in 2008 as the McGovern dems became voices in the wilderness for decades. 

Of everything you said in your comment, the one that is most disturbing, to me at least, is your comment almost wishing enemies of the U.S. would have nuclear weapons!  You are either a prime example of the
failure of the american education system, or someone on the left bank of Paris...

Peace!



FirmhandKY -> RE: If this is all true we are in deep do do (7/22/2007 2:29:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Propaganda?    PLease show your research as i do demonstrating that what you say is or has an resemblance of factual credibility.



You call this video "research"?

Bud, it doesn't even have the vague aroma of "research".  It's a bunch of facts and innuedo thrown together to support an already existing bias.

R0, your problem is that you start from the conclusion and work backwards to find "confirming evidence".  While occasionally such a method may bring to light the odd supporting fact, it isn't a very accurate nor reliable method to conduct impartial, non-ideological research.

FirmKY



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