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footslavedave -> Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/16/2007 11:17:09 PM)

Hello everyone,

I have recently joined this online community and find it most delightful. Nonetheless, please allow me to apologize to you all for not saying "hi" in the introductions section first before posting anywhere else.

Anyhow, there are actually a few question I wish to raise; that is, the relationship between politics, history (specifically colonial history), sexuality and BDSM. It would be more proper if I were to define specifically what I mean by politics, colonial history, sexuality and BDSM first before talking about them or drawing relationships about them, but that would be a tedious task for me and a very boring read for you. After all, this lifestyle or hobby is suppose to be fun, enlightening, entertaining and fulfilling and not boring, discouraging and regressive for our souls. Therefore, for the sake of convenience and facilitate reading, we shall understand the said terms as they are used in every day context.

Please let me start off by saying that I was inspired to post this after some thinking on my own thanks largely to a book I read awhile back entitled "Black skin White masks" by Frantz Fanon. Most people know Dr. Fanon as a revolutionary who sympathized with the Algerian Revolution. Others know him as a psychoanalysis. It is the latter Fanon in which I am most touched by. Although I am not a Black man, I am a man of color. Although I was not born in Algeria, I was born in a former British colony. Although I am not French educated, I am Canadian (Anglo) educated. And finally, although I can never see the world through the eyes of a Black man, I can see the world through the eyes of a "Chinaman" or "Chink" or whatever racist or derogatory term used to describe a person of my ethnicity.

At first you may ask why I would post something of this nature in a BDSM board, but as you will see, my reasons are threefold. 1) I wish to understand why certain White males still insist on fetishsizing "Oriental" women as docile, fragile, submissive, obedient and full of sexual energy who can never get enough; 2) why certain "colored" people both male and female consider being with Whites as "fucking up"; and 3) considering the first two conditions in a BDSM context where a White volunteers to be dominated by a "colored person" or a former colonized "colored person" to be voluntarily dominated by Whites.

Lets consider the first situation.
As a Chinese-Canadian it really pisses me off when I hear comments from Whites saying how "submissive" "Asian" girls are. At the same time, it pisses me off just as much when I hear comments saying how "horny" "Asian" women are. This constitutes two and only two labels for "Asian" women. They are either so submissive to the point that they can not survive without the "guidance" of a male, almost always White because the Asian man isn't man enough or does not have the desire or ability to lead her or satisfy her, or, so aggressive that she will fuck his brains out until his balls are drained making him crawl out of bed. So, Asian women are either the "innocent school girl" or "the dragon lady" and they can not be anything in between. What's up with that dawg?

Situation two.
Beginning with the US Civil War to the British outlawing slavery to wars of liberation after WWII to wars of independence to the Civil Rights Movement to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and so on and so forth ..... why do certain colored people still think or believe that they are inferior to the White man? Why do they desire so much to be banged by a White man? I mean yeah, it is true. If you are a White man, it automatically puts you in an advantageous position in respect to a higher income then a colored person and a women because of unequal pay for equal jobs. Which means that if you are a women from a third world country, your ticket to an "American lifestyle" of Gucci and Prada is to marry a White dude and not a the fellow from your village because to her, he's stuck in his shit hole. Moreover, I have also heard of stories where colored people are self haters and the only way for them to be White, to be away from their own kind is to have White in them, literally speaking. And by doing so, s/he is adapting his lifestyle, his culture, his values, his language and as a result becomes White. I do not understand these people! Where is your pride and self respect not only for yourself but also your people? Why do some people think that they are inferior to the White man? This also transcends race because it includes women as well. Not just "colored" women but also White women as they too are victims of the male. With all the feminist movements, literature, etc. Why do certain women still consider themselves to be inferior to men? I don't know about you but last time I check, female graduate students at my school outnumbered male graduate students 6:4. Yet, if more and more women are being more educated then men are, how come they are still making less and that we see so few women political/business leaders? I always thought that there was a positive co-relationship between education, position and income. One article that is stuck in my mind is that when I was in school I read an article by Harvard Business Review saying that women are suited for middle management because of their characteristics. When I came out to the work force, I looked around and was pretty sure the organizations has but the HBR's article into practice. To me, this is sad because this makes it even more difficult for women to be in position of power or in the decision making process making the glass ceiling thicker ... whad up man? Why do certain women still rely on men? Why do some women still insist on leaching off men when they have the ability to make their own money and build a career based on her own abilities and intellect?

Situation number three.
I find this one to be the most interesting and relevant to this board because of the dynamics and relationships which includes both race and sex or gender. As of now, I am personally trying to work things out and on the road of self discovery. I am a hypocrite and a self contradiction in this regard. I do not know why but I have a stronger sense of submission when I submit to a White women as opposed to an Asian women. Perhaps it is my Western (Anglo) education that has shaped a large part of my character or perhaps it is the media. Or perhaps it is just because of my background as a former subject of the British Empire that when I submit to a White women, I feel a sense of connection with her because her people used to be my colonial masters and when I voluntarily submit to her in a BDSM relationship, the feeling is stronger? I just find it interesting how my personal background which includes colonial history to play such a significant role in my sexuality. Nonetheless, I do not have the same desires as the people mentioned in situation number one. I have dated a White girl before and never have I thought I was "fucking up". In fact, I have dated Whites, Blacks and Asians and just know a pretty, beautiful and intelligent women when I see and meet one. Therefore, here is the question I wish to throw out: Can you help me solve this riddle, a riddle of identity, gender and race when placed in the BDSM context?

Thanks y'all !




LadyEllen -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 2:40:13 AM)

Its all in the Bible - and the only other thing you need to take into account is, that of course God is a white man.

From there, your riddle will unravel quickly, and the source of every ill in the world will come plainly into sight; the foreign cult which infects western society from cradle to grave and which has been spread all over the world.

E




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 3:28:45 AM)

quote:

Can you help me solve this riddle, a riddle of identity, gender and race when placed in the BDSM context?


The short answer is, environment and conditioning, along with personality, creates prospective and emotional responses to situational stimuli.
 
If one wants to go deeper then that, they have to start looking at individuals based on the above.
 
Sincerely,
 
k



Alumbrado -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 6:16:26 AM)

Start by taking a good look in the mirror... you have exactly the same flaws as the people you are asking about.



Cyntilating -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 6:57:26 AM)

Hi Dave
 
..at first as I read your posting, I felt myself getting [:o] by the stereotypical comments.  Then I decided to focus on the question you (finally ) came to.
 Why are you finding yourself attracted to a certain person?  My question to you is> why question it? attraction is attraction...do you question why orange might be your fav color? or why you might prefer german shepherd dogs over toy poodles?  green beans vs. cabbage.....see where Im going?
why analyze?
Whether its preference of kink,  sexual orientation or what/who we are attracted to> live and let live..<I say.
 
As for your comments about stereotypes in societies... I can't personally ( I just don't think that way ) relate to most of what you asked about and so cannot comment or give you "reasons" why some people feel that way about others..  I will say that I have spent most of my own adulthood on the receiving end of societies attempt to stereotype me...but would think most people who read these message boards can say the same thing about themselves or something they have personally faced.
 
Good luck  with your research..I hope you find answers and mostly I hope you find peace from within..
 
Cyndi
 



Grlwithboy -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 8:15:11 AM)

quote:

Therefore, here is the question I wish to throw out: Can you help me solve this riddle, a riddle of identity, gender and race when placed in the BDSM context?


Awesome post and thread. I wish more people were talking about stuff like this, because I think the SM scene is becoming more integrated and more racially/ethnically diverse. However the answer to the above is hell, no, I can't, he can't and she can't. The beauty of SM, I find, is that YOU have to solve that riddle for you. You are going to see some things that will challenge you. My first partner into SM was a biracial woman (afro hispanic dad, ashkenaz Jewish mom) who, my little PC white self was disturbed to find, really GOT OFF on white men who were in the stage of fetishizing her exotic other. Like really really *liked* the "inherently submissive, natural, noble savage" kind of stuff, "more sexual than white women." While this kind of distrubed me, it's HER blackness, it's HER sexuality, and it's HER pleasure to determine and figure out - not mine.  In a completely egalitarian racism-free world we might not get hot and bothered by things like that,  but that's a la la land I don't have to work with and neither does anyone else. Asian women are going to navigate the stereotypes about their sexuality as individuals, in an exceptionally complex network of ways - and one way out there is that a person IS entitled to is liking being subsumed into a stereotype other people may find offensive. In SM a person need only answer for his or her sexual buzz - we've managed, I think, to finally separate image and fact more than a lot of other people. A picture of a nazi doesn't kill Jews. A man dressed as a Nazi shaving his Jewish bottom's head because he wanted this experience and it gets him off isn't killing anyone either - save the energy of protest for the real killing and agony in the world - oh wait, that's MUCH harder to actually effect change upon.

So does your idealized submission play into a colonial past - I'd say almost certainly. So do minute emotional reactions to things you're probably not even aware of. We're all products, to a degree. People enjoy their warped sexualities both with and without giant amounts of analysis. I like to analyze - but don't forget to ENJOY your warped sexuality while you do.


Of course people's sexualities are going to be shaped by their worlds, for better, worse and indifferent. Everyone's differently.



KaramelGoddess -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 11:55:19 AM)

How on earth...in 2007 are people still using terms like "colored"?????
 
People are people, kink is kink.  This is like asking why some people like peanut butter and others don't.
 
If you have met people like the ones you wrote about...ask them!

quote:

  why do certain colored people still think or believe that they are inferior to the White man? Why do they desire so much to be banged by a White man?


say WHAT?



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 2:11:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: footslavedave

At first you may ask why I would post something of this nature in a BDSM board, but as you will see, my reasons are threefold. 1) I wish to understand why certain White males still insist on fetishsizing "Oriental" women as docile, fragile, submissive, obedient and full of sexual energy who can never get enough;

because we live in a world of stereotypes as depicted in the movies and television. if you see an Asian actor in a female subserviant role naturally many will assume all Asian enjoy serving men like that. the stereotypical assumptions applies to all races, religions, etc  

quote:

2) why certain "colored" people both male and female consider being with Whites as "fucking up";

when you say "colored" do you mean a Black person? i don't know what certain "colored" people you're talking about however i do know many Black people prefer date within the race and look down on persons like me who prefer dating men outside the Black race.  it's a preference because some Black men would consider me "too white" to be Black - meaning i don't talk ghetto or slang, i listen to rock music or classical instead of hiphop/rap and i conduct myself as lady at all times.

quote:

and 3) considering the first two conditions in a BDSM context where a White volunteers to be dominated by a "colored person" or a former colonized "colored person" to be voluntarily dominated by Whites.

i was confused by this statement until reading what you wrote. i don't feel a stronger sense of submission (as you put it) to submit to Daddy just because He's white.  personally, i've been attracted to men all races however i feel more comfortable being in a relationshp with White men for reasons stated in question 2.  i find that my level of intelligence, independence, motivation, etc naturally attracts men who are around my age or older. 




Faramir -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 5:11:10 PM)

I'm sure he doesn't mean mean "colored" in the specific, 20th century American denotation of pre-civil rights movement African-American, but in the broad, international English use meaning "of color," ie not of European descent, but of a colonial descent.



robertolapiedra -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/17/2007 10:16:14 PM)

Hello footslavedave. Ok, I guess you're not into light humor?

Listen, everything is historically "symbolic". Depending of what time period "you" choose, you will find that the same shit comes to be represented in a different way. There was a time in civilization that the Chinese thought of themselves as the "superior" race on this planet.

By looking at their achievements in art, technology, science in a period and comparing to other civilizations, it was hard to argue the point. A few centuries later they were overrun by money grubbing colonists who had progressed by them in the armament field.

Lets take a look at the stereotypes of some animals, dogs for instance. Pit bulls, chihuahuas and poodles. Who is the sub, who is the dom and who is the switch? Depends what those symbols mean in 2007, right? (depends also if you're a chihuahua?).

Faramir, ("the gentle one") once said that "we queer our sample", explaining that we can only compare with what we know, either by cultural common knowledge (French, Germans, Bolivians, Thai, Cherokee, Congolese, etc) or by "personal" experience. I'll even add popular fiction literature and cinema, that contribute some of the worse bull shit stereotypes, depending on what sells or not ( pop bull culture, cowboys "good" if white hat, and Indians "bad" if not dead (in most cases) or not a white man suck up).

Now what? Didn't you know that we are all stereotypes? Until we meet, that is. After a "meeting" guess what? We invariably become "exceptions". Now where did the stereotype of your new friend go? When did he/she (and you for him/her) become an exception to the stereotype?

The answer is that "belief" when confronted with "reality" becomes "experience". Where do you get that all those "perceptions" are real? From the popular self serving "imaginary" social consensus? How many "exceptions" you know versus those that 100% fit into a "stereotype"? Or fit in the symbolic representation of what is alien to us? (propaganda).

In BDSM, it is the same as elsewhere. Were not Klingon, for heaven's sake. One may be set in "belief" of all that is reality, but "belief" is only one variable (or filter) of reality. I would not worry about it so much. After all, I rarely met an exception to the stereotype that I did not like. You just have to go find out, instead of hiding behind the "filtering" status quo inhibiting most human interactions that would denounce it.

But remember what Faramir ("the gentle exception") said. "You" also queer your sample. When you believe in stereotypes, it just means that you are queering your samples the same way most "believers" do in the culture you identify with, be it a popular one or a counter-one.  It is much better to queer your sample the way "you" like.  You can have a "personal culture" a thousand times better than what  has been sold to you by other believers. Truth is not democratic, the majority is wrong when it comes to labeling people.

We are all exceptions to the stereotype. You just don't have to "believe" everything you hear, see or read (forums included, this post included).

RL.


PS: Ever wondered why very young children of all races and culture get along in a group setting? They don't have any "beliefs" yet, they just want to play. You can do this in BDSM if you want to, just focus on play and see what happens.






Grlwithboy -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 8:40:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra

Hello footslavedave. Ok, I guess you're not into light humor?

Listen, everything is historically "symbolic". Depending of what time period "you" choose, you will find that the same shit comes to be represented in a different way. There was a time in civilization that the Chinese thought of themselves as the "superior" race on this planet.

By looking at their achievements in art, technology, science in a period and comparing to other civilizations, it was hard to argue the point. A few centuries later they were overrun by money grubbing colonists who had progressed by them in the armament field.

Lets take a look at the stereotypes of some animals, dogs for instance. Pit bulls, chihuahuas and poodles. Who is the sub, who is the dom and who is the switch? Depends what those symbols mean in 2007, right? (depends also if you're a chihuahua?).

Faramir, ("the gentle one") once said that "we queer our sample", explaining that we can only compare with what we know, either by cultural common knowledge (French, Germans, Bolivians, Thai, Cherokee, Congolese, etc) or by "personal" experience. I'll even add popular fiction literature and cinema, that contribute some of the worse bull shit stereotypes, depending on what sells or not ( pop bull culture, cowboys "good" if white hat, and Indians "bad" if not dead (in most cases) or not a white man suck up).

Now what? Didn't you know that we are all stereotypes? Until we meet, that is. After a "meeting" guess what? We invariably become "exceptions". Now where did the stereotype of your new friend go? When did he/she (and you for him/her) become an exception to the stereotype?

The answer is that "belief" when confronted with "reality" becomes "experience". Where do you get that all those "perceptions" are real? From the popular self serving "imaginary" social consensus? How many "exceptions" you know versus those that 100% fit into a "stereotype"? Or fit in the symbolic representation of what is alien to us? (propaganda).

In BDSM, it is the same as elsewhere. Were not Klingon, for heaven's sake. One may be set in "belief" of all that is reality, but "belief" is only one variable (or filter) of reality. I would not worry about it so much. After all, I rarely met an exception to the stereotype that I did not like. You just have to go find out, instead of hiding behind the "filtering" status quo inhibiting most human interactions that would denounce it.

But remember what Faramir ("the gentle exception") said. "You" also queer your sample. When you believe in stereotypes, it just means that you are queering your samples the same way most "believers" do in the culture you identify with, be it a popular one or a counter-one.  It is much better to queer your sample the way "you" like.  You can have a "personal culture" a thousand times better than what  has been sold to you by other believers. Truth is not democratic, the majority is wrong when it comes to labeling people.

We are all exceptions to the stereotype. You just don't have to "believe" everything you hear, see or read (forums included, this post included).

RL.


PS: Ever wondered why very young children of all races and culture get along in a group setting? They don't have any "beliefs" yet, they just want to play. You can do this in BDSM if you want to, just focus on play and see what happens.







I think I get what you're saying, but my ex girlfriend's "personal culture" didn't stop her from getting followed around in stores because people thought she was stealing stuff. That's an experience, and that's going to go with her wherever she goes and it's going to be processed in different ways, and it's going to effect her on core levels - I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to shape her sexuality, perhaps.




DarkDaddyZ -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 3:19:25 PM)

Us kinky folks are a part of the global community, when you throw us in a pot, like a good gumbo recipe, it takes good as long as you follow the directions.  When you don't (hence the some elements of the world).  It tasted scorched.

You know like the mark of Kane :) (anyone see Big Love last week?)



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 4:33:48 PM)

well, taken in the context of American English, saying "colored" is no longer politically correct and don't abide by the International English usage. 



KaramelGoddess -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 8:19:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Faramir

I'm sure he doesn't mean mean "colored" in the specific, 20th century American denotation of pre-civil rights movement African-American, but in the broad, international English use meaning "of color," ie not of European descent, but of a colonial descent.


What exactly is colonial descent????  Do you mean mulattoes, creoles, mestizoes, quatrains and the like?  What about someone from Africa/India/China whose ancestors were all born in their country and their blood has never been mixed with that of a European?  Are they still "colored"?
 
Answer: NO!!!!!
God didn't take a brush and paint us all.



robertolapiedra -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 9:09:57 PM)

quote:

I think I get what you're saying, but my ex girlfriend's "personal culture" didn't stop her from getting followed around in stores because people thought she was stealing stuff. That's an experience, and that's going to go with her wherever she goes and it's going to be processed in different ways, and it's going to effect her on core levels - I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to shape her sexuality, perhaps.


Hello Grlwithboy. I agree. She was followed by "believers" who don't "really" know. There is a category of bigots though, that one should be aware of, those who do not want to know (these store owners for example). They are the ones that preach the bullshit, and it's a pity they have no problem with finding others (employees in your example) to listen. In my country racial profiling is illegal, your ex would have had recourses to make it stop, and not just for her.

I think one just making an effort not "being" like that is a positive gain, as it is one less person being part of the problem. The pay off is how enriched one's life gets when you stop "believing" in prejudicial stereotypes. Then, this one may have children and teach them well. Who knows ? By all accounts, the historical record shows less prejudice today than at other times past. Let's hope that it does not stop diminishing as time goes on.  Unfortunately, it is a damn slow process. RL



NefertariReborn -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/18/2007 11:55:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: footslavedave

At first you may ask why I would post something of this nature in a BDSM board, but as you will see, my reasons are threefold. 1) I wish to understand why certain White males still insist on fetishsizing "Oriental" women as docile, fragile, submissive, obedient and full of sexual energy who can never get enough;

because we live in a world of stereotypes as depicted in the movies and television. if you see an Asian actor in a female subserviant role naturally many will assume all Asian enjoy serving men like that. the stereotypical assumptions applies to all races, religions, etc  

quote:

2) why certain "colored" people both male and female consider being with Whites as "fucking up";

when you say "colored" do you mean a Black person? i don't know what certain "colored" people you're talking about however i do know many Black people prefer date within the race and look down on persons like me who prefer dating men outside the Black race.  it's a preference because some Black men would consider me "too white" to be Black - meaning i don't talk ghetto or slang, i listen to rock music or classical instead of hiphop/rap and i conduct myself as lady at all times.

Hmmmmmmmmm checks My skin....yes very black didn't realize that directly correlated with ghetto slang, hiphop/rap or *and this one kills Me* not conducting Myself as a Lady at all times.  Now I have met My fair share of black people who equate "White" with talking or acting a certain way, maybe even listening to a certain type of music and so I will let those one slide by unopposed, but the lady at all times????????? When did that get to be the territory of white women (as seen through black men's eyes)? And that is just plain an excuse for what you find beautiful.  There are certainly many black men who find black women, no matter how yella, who listen to classical music and conduct themselves as ladies at all times,  attractive.  The shortage of such men is not the reason for your attraction.  you don't need a rhythm or rhyme for your attraction.  mine is white and it has nothing to do with Me having multiple university degrees and oh can't find a good black man.  It's simple! I think he's sexy and he has the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen.  No cultural ghetto stereotypical excuses.  Freedom means freedom to choose even outside of your race without having to have a "REASON."  And that's My 5 cents.

quote:

and 3) considering the first two conditions in a BDSM context where a White volunteers to be dominated by a "colored person" or a former colonized "colored person" to be voluntarily dominated by Whites.

i was confused by this statement until reading what you wrote. i don't feel a stronger sense of submission (as you put it) to submit to Daddy just because He's white.  personally, i've been attracted to men all races however i feel more comfortable being in a relationshp with White men for reasons stated in question 2.  i find that my level of intelligence, independence, motivation, etc naturally attracts men who are around my age or older. 





MasterMagnus321 -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/19/2007 2:58:16 PM)

It seems as though you are looking for someone to validate and justify certain stereotypes for you in the context of the BDSM community... learn to think outside of the box, and most importantly, learn to think for yourself.  You and your thoughts are all that matters, Dave,  as you are the only consciousness in the Universe- don't you understand that we are all figments of your imagination created to stave off your all-consuming loneliness?



Aswad -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/19/2007 3:45:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

How on earth...in 2007 are people still using terms like "colored"?????


How on earth... in 2007 are people still using terms like "cleanly shaven", "blond", "tall", or even "woman"?
They're descriptive and functional. Don't read more into it than there is.
We have enough racism without hanging on to it.

quote:


This is like asking why some people like peanut butter and others don't.


A rather interesting question that has been asked several times.
There's nothing wrong with discovery, analysis and so forth.
It doesn't automatically take the place of living it.

quote:


say WHAT?


Probably, he's met some people who are like that.
I have, as well, though very rarely, and not while scening.
They are not representative, however, I would imagine.



Aswad -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/19/2007 3:59:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

well, taken in the context of American English, saying "colored" is no longer politically correct and don't abide by the International English usage. 


Good thing we're not all American, then. [:D]

Though I'll admit that having English as a second language and living in a country that doesn't dub movies is a recipe for getting a wierd polyglot of American English and Queen's English. [:D]

Seriously, though, I don't care if anyone calls me "white" or "pale", but I do care if they say "white shithead", "paleskin", "ghost", or whatever. Same goes for any other word that describes me in a generic manner vs one that is specifically derogatory.

Taking offense at a word like "colour" is a losing battle.

There is need for qualifiers used to describe people accurately, whether for dating, police reports, telling people who they are meeting up with, or asking fashion advice over the telephone. One or more of these will describe skin tone. When one becomes politically incorrect, it will be phased out of mainstream use, and other means of saying the same thing will arise. These will then be phased into mainstream use, at which point the racists will adopt the mainstream use, making it derogatory again.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

The key is to understand that the word "colored" in the mouth of a racist is likely derogatory.
At the same time, the same word in the mouth of a non-racist is most likely not.

If you were visiting me, and I told a friend to pick you up at the airport, describing your appearance but omitting skin tone, he might find you, or there might be a dozen other brown-eyed, dark-haired women with glasses at the airport. It would not be racist of me to include your skin tone in the description, but it would paradoxically be racist of me not to, as I distinguish shades of white in describing caucasians; omitting the same for you would be treating you differently solely on the base of "race".

We still say "blonde", despite the stereotypes associated with that. It's descriptive.



daddysprop247 -> RE: Politics, colonial history, sex and BDSM (7/19/2007 4:12:38 PM)

wow. whoa. ambitious first post...welcome to the nuthouse, footslavedave, hope you enjoy your time here.

first, i'll try to ignore the fact that this is like 6 topics in one, lol. i'll just respond to what i can from personal experience.

as an african-american female, i will admit (without any shame) to feeling a different "flavor" if you will of my submission when i am submitting to a white man as opposed to a man of my own or any other race. why? i cannot say exactly, but it's likely a combination of factors...the fact that white men are still the most powerful group on the planet (you know how we subbies love power)....the fact that i grew up in the rural south and dealt with blatant racism as an everyday facet of life, so the emotional masochist in me is fed by serving white men who view and treat me as inferior due to my race...the fact that the dominant white male/submissive black female is still "taboo" in our society, due to the not-so-distant history of widespread rape of black slaves by their white Masters...and i'm sure there are many more reasons. but i gave up being ashamed of this reality about myself long ago, now i simply accept it and deal with it.

when i first discovered this lifestyle, i envisioned myself one day being the property of an older, sometimes loving, sometimes cruel, white Master. i didn't denounce Masters of my own race, it was more that serving anyone other than a white man never even occured to me. as fate would have it, the Master of my dreams and love of my life would turn out to be african-american like myself...life has a way of surprising you like that sometimes. [:)] but he still has me serve white Dominants on a regular basis, particularly those of a sadistic, somewhat racist nature. He feels the degradation is healthy and good for me as a slave, and it fulfills my own needs as well.

now, as for the issue of feeling inferior to men...this is something i have always felt as well. i have never agreed with feminist idealogy of female empowerment and free choice. i'm old-fashioned in certain ways and still believe that there is such a thing as a proper woman's place. however, while as a female i feel i should defer to and be subservient to men, i do not believe that makes females any less valuable or important than males. just that we are not equals, with the same "rank" if you will.



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