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RE: REbuilding a community? - 7/16/2007 7:47:58 PM   
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Of course my BDSM experience is very limited but I do have a fair amount of experience with groups of people.  Groups of difficult people even.   

Laughter.  Laughter works miracles and can help uncross those arms and loosen those shoulders.  Conflict is inherent in groups, you won't be able to eradicate it, nor would you really want to, but if you  can get people laughing, they will become more accepting of each other.
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RE: REbuilding a community? - 7/16/2007 8:33:23 PM   
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Michael,

Master and i have in the past been involved with the Sac. Groups. We know about all the drama and politics in that area. Though i don't have much to say in the way of help, i do wish you luck with it because i know how difficult a task your taking. You can't really fix what is broke when others out there aren't willing to help. The obstical you face is ego. Ego is the bottom line of why these groups splintered and fought. Unfortunately you have no control over it and can't change the fact that people will always let thier egos get in the way of what should be a tight nit community. So with that said, i send good thoughts your way and wish you luck in the venture your attempting to take on.
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RE: REbuilding a community? - 7/16/2007 10:37:50 PM   
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Archer,

I  am going to steal that idea!

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 7/17/2007 12:44:57 AM   
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quote:

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Archer,

I  am going to steal that idea!


I'll give you the title of God if you can make it work. :)

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 2:34:06 AM   
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Michael,

As you have read in a couple of OPs I made on here within the last month or so I am working on rebuilding a TNG group here in my state, Thus far because my co leader and I are friends first, leaders second, we have had little to no issue with keeping things civil. However I have noticed that there has been a rather LARGE split in my states community as a whole... Seems that the once large community has been fractioned due to people who are more into sex swapping and gang bangs than BDSM style kinks. Either way I will try to keep you abreast of our progress... so that we can all learn from each other...

Cheers,

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 7:47:36 AM   
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quote:

Seems that the once large community has been fractioned due to people who are more into sex swapping and gang bangs than BDSM style kinks.


Seems that the once large community has been fractioned due to people who are more into BDSM style kinks than sex swapping and gang bangs.  Doesn't sound as nice that way does it?  It isn't easy to ban judgemental language but it is a good goal if you are trying to bring people BACK together.

How about this and this is going to be my approach.  Different groups for various subcultures is fine and wonderful, there ARE differences amongst us and people should celebrate that.  There are ALSO things we share and have in common and we should celebrate that as well..  I am going to work on community events that bring us all together to support common interests and perhaps even find common goals.

Things such as
  • Classes - Working together to bring in and pay for "big names"
  • Supporting play spaces - Hosting a play space is an expensive and often thankless endeavor- widespread community support, even if that means "mens nights" "fem dom nights" etc. helps the community as a whole.
  • Community events - Things like Fetish Flea where vendors and locals buy and sell toys and fetish garb

Anyone else have good ideas on community events that would work in this context?

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 10:46:16 AM   
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you have heard the saying birds of the same feather flock together. that is true with a lot of groups. i have seen over the years many form and disband. and now i am seeing even age restricted groups and all kinds of new groups being formed with themes from fetish to goth to you name it.. check out TES they are one of the oldest bdsm orgs in the us i know its board members have a lot of good advice i have a lot of friends there i goto for things like this

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 10:53:57 AM   
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Are you speaking of rebuilding one group, or are you speaking of finding common ground on which the tribes can gather?  I'd bet that Jack would get into with you, the theories on whether "community" even exists as the concept that is in our minds vs the reality that it really is. 

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 11:31:17 AM   
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I am speaking of finding common ground between groups.  There is almost as much we  have in common as we have that makes us different.  Gay men may not want to play around hets but we ALL want to play and so supporting a play space IS common ground so finding out how to do that serves the community as a whole.

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 12:46:17 PM   
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quote:

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I am speaking of finding common ground between groups.  There is almost as much we  have in common as we have that makes us different.  Gay men may not want to play around hets but we ALL want to play and so supporting a play space IS common ground so finding out how to do that serves the community as a whole.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, only because I've sat through "coalition" meetings discussing this very same thing: are you certain that ALL of the groups wish for the same thing (this common ground you speak of?)  And how do you even know that gay men wish to "play"?  Is their play the same as het play?  (I know the answer to be no, at least around here.)  We have gay men's leather groups that DON'T want play, that don't have any need for a public club that allows bondage and whatnot.  They want to pick up tricks and fuck (and usually not around straight people)  Most het spaces -- no fucking.  It's a pickle, alright.

I think the best that you can do is provide better communication within the groups.  Create a community calendar where groups can post their activities or submit them to one single access point.  Groups can then see what's going on and save themselves from duplicating efforts (twice, the same bondage demo from the same person 10 miles apart in the same month sort of thing.)  Once that happens and people are aware of what's going on, group leaders might actually be inspired to conserve/pool resources and collaborate on larger projects.

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 4:35:53 PM   
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Hey, I LIKE fucking in public!  We actually get a bit of crossover already and in fact the gay and larger het groups DO get along.  There are smaller het groups that don't.

As for common ground, you are right, it isn't always easy to find.  The gay groups didn't really come out to see Jack Rinnella at all nor did they host him on their own.  Who knows but there is no crime in trying.

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/6/2007 4:50:49 PM   
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quote:

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Hey, I LIKE fucking in public!  We actually get a bit of crossover already and in fact the gay and larger het groups DO get along.  There are smaller het groups that don't.

As for common ground, you are right, it isn't always easy to find.  The gay groups didn't really come out to see Jack Rinnella at all nor did they host him on their own.  Who knows but there is no crime in trying.


Well, I was there for Jack's speech in Stockton, and at least at the gathering I attended, it was well attended. (I honestly don't think anyone realized who I was, and I made a pretty good effort at keeping low key this time around)

Part of the problem with rebuilding a community is finding common ground within that community in which to build. It doesn't matter if they're scattered all over the place in what they desire, such as male top/female bottom, males only, females only, or whatever. What does matter is that those who attend different gatherings are very open into welcoming members they don't already know. THAT alone is such a huge factor in rebuilding a community because you need new blood, and if you don't welcome the new blood to where that new blood doesn't bolt at the first moment because he or she feels like an outsider, you're really never going to create an atmosphere where people will want to gather.

We had a lot of this same problem with groups in San Francisco (specifically the femdom scene), and people would scatter, creating their own groups, and then they would splinter. What ALWAYS brought people together was the success of one group that become inclusive and welcoming to practically everyone else. When the splinter groups started to see that one group was doing well and very open into outreach, quite often the estranged groups would come back. I spent so much time a decade or so ago just rebuilding bridges that had collapsed because someone said something that pissed someone else off and it caused a rift that no one believed could be fixed. I once got too very estranged groups back together because I was a long time officer of one femdom group and the slave to a woman who was a senior officer of another group. Sometimes, coincidence is what is needed to bring them back together. Other times, I actually had to contact members of the gay bdsm community who I had built friendships with over the years and ask one friend to contact another person because I couldn't get two other people to speak to each other.

Once people get beyond the "I hope their group fails" mentality, rebuilding bridges can happen. But that's SO HARD to get past.

Anyway, I can talk about this for hours, but what's funny is that in so many different patches I made over the years to different groups, so few of them even realized I did it. Unfortunately, that's usually how you have to do it because people have a hard time reacting to positively when the big names try to mend fences rather than the little peons that everyone know but if asked to describe him or her, couldn't really do it.


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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/7/2007 11:40:08 AM   
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SimplyMichael,

In my opinion it would be a waste of valuable time to attempt to rebuild your fractured community because you have no control of the response of others. There are deep seated self serving reasons why such a division exists. I suggest that you create a new community with those groups and individuals who share your vision. Here is our story.

In the summer of 1996 Careena and I were invited to a Scorpio party in Orange County, by the founders Chuck and Jeanie Ryan.  Scorpio is a Dominant Male Submissive Female D/s group. Prior to the party, they held a masters meeting for the dominants to socialize and go over the club rules with the new invitees. At the end of the masters meeting Chuck encouraged the dominants in attendance to start hosting events. He made it clear to us that he would be in no way offended, and he would appreciate having parties to attend that he didn't have to host. On November 7th, 1997, Careena's birthday, we hosted a Dominant Male Submissive Female themed D/s Birthday Play Party, at a rental hall in Van Nuys. We called it "CONQUEST" We had a good turnout and everyone had a great time.  By the end of the event most of the attendees had approached us with the idea of CONQUEST becoming a Monthly event.  The next month we made the announcement at our community munch.  That's when all hell broke loose. Many of the existing groups reacted with animosity to our emergence. There was a lot a negativity directed at us by certain groups.  We never responded in-kind. We made sure our members knew that we respected other clubs/groups and appreciated their contributions to the fabric of our community.  We made it perfectly clear to our members that we don't have issues with any groups, even if they have a problem with us. We let them know that our sole concentration was on the furtherance and betterment of our group/club. We told our members that the forming of new groups/clubs was inevitable, and their success would be a sign of community growth. It was very important to us that our members  understood that each group had it's own organizational structure and party rules based on their particular comfort level, and to always respect the comfort level of your host. We discouraged bad mouthing other groups. We let our members know that it was all right with us if they belonged to other groups or attended other groups events. Variety is definitely the spice of life. Because of this our membership growth  allowed us to eclipsed most of the groups who attacked, we are now a community unto ourselves. Positive energy itself is an attraction. Some of our members have gone on to create other groups and clubs in the spirit that we demonstrated toward them which was handed down to us by Chuck Ryan. One person can make a difference. You can be that catalyst.

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RE: REbuilding a community? - 8/7/2007 1:19:33 PM   
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Fast reply:

IMHO, I think the reason so manny communities are so fractured these days are because of the cliques that have been formed.  Granted, cliques have always been around and will always be around, but the past.. oh.. 5 years or so it seems instead of an actualy "community", it's a loose "network" of groups... Group A likes pee play, Group B likes mummification, Group C only accepts people of a certain race, age, hairstyle, whatever, etc.

Granted, I've been out of the Maine scene for quite some time, and it is nothing like I remember it was.  There used to be a certain level of cohesion, and if there was a play party or a munch, EVERYONE came, not just the host's friends or members of the perpetualy self-congratulatory club.

Sadly though, in today's world, everything is coming down to this.  Honestly, that's fine with Me.  I'll just make My own clique and the rest of the world can go fuck itself.




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