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French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/8/2007 12:40:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to one French politician, just because conspiracy sites get a lot of hits on the internet, it must mean they are the truth....

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PARIS (Reuters) - A senior French politician, now a minister in President Nicolas Sarkozy's government, suggested last year that U.S. President George W. Bush might have been behind the September 11, 2001 attacks, according to a website.

The www.ReOpen911.info website, which promotes September 11 conspiracy theories, has posted a video clip of French Housing Minister Christine Boutin appearing to question that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda group orchestrated the attacks. Boutin's office sought to play down the remarks.

Asked in an interview last November, before she became minister, whether she thought Bush might be behind the attacks, Boutin says: "I think it is possible. I think it is possible."

Boutin backs her assertion by pointing to the large number of people who visit websites that challenge the official line over the September 11 strikes against U.S. cities.

"I know that the websites that speak of this problem are websites that have the highest number of visits ... And I tell myself that this expression of the masses and of the people cannot be without any truth."

Boutin's office sought to play down the remarks, saying that later in the same interview she says: "I'm not telling you that I adhere to that position." This comment does not appear on the video clip on ReOpen911.

Numerous other websites have also posted the clip in recent days and the story has started to seep into the mainstream media.
"Christine Boutin snared by her controversial suggestions about September 11," Le Monde newspaper said in a headline.

Liberation newspaper on Saturday quoted Boutin's spokesman Christian Dupont as saying that she had not wanted to appear pro or anti-Bush at a time when Sarkozy was being branded a "U.S. poodle" after meeting the president in Washington.
"And then she is not the foreign minister," Dupont added.

France appears to be particularly fertile ground for conspiracy theories. In 2002, a book that claimed that no airliner hit the U.S. Pentagon in the September 11 attacks topped the French bestseller lists.

However, the French are not alone in their skepticism.

According to a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll carried out last July, more than one-third of Americans suspect U.S. officials helped in the September 11 attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could later go to war.

The U.S. State Department has rejected these accusations.

Almost 3,000 people died when hijackers crashed planes into New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070707/ts_nm/france_sept11_dc;_ylt=AiaZEdBUQfCDeM20xcsUVRxvaA8F
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/8/2007 2:17:34 PM   
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/8/2007 10:17:02 PM   
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     We shouldn't judge the entire Gov't by the remarks of one functionary.  The Jocelyn Elders thing didn't make Bill Clinton all about masturbation.


Rich:
What some French politician may or may not think is not all that important. 
What I do find interesting is that a third of our own countrymen seem to feel the same way.  Our track record in this area has been pretty clear..Tell me again which war we have been in that we did not provoke our involvement.
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/8/2007 10:21:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		does it surprise anyone that  a french leader would think this? i dont think so,,,
im a lil surprised that they went on the record with it tho.

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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/8/2007 10:47:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    We shouldn't judge the entire Gov't by the remarks of one functionary.  The Jocelyn Elders thing didn't make Bill Clinton all about masturbation.


Rich:
What some French politician may or may not think is not all that important. 
What I do find interesting is that a third of our own countrymen seem to feel the same way.  Our track record in this area has been pretty clear..Tell me again which war we have been in that we did not provoke our involvement.
thompson


But arn't all wars provoked one way or another? Even WW2 was provoked. Although it was provoked because FDR and our military did not believe the United States could survive in the world with a Nazi superpower in Europe and Japanese imperialists in Asia. They needed to find some way to provoke Japan in order to turn the population's feelings to pro-war.

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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/9/2007 12:09:59 AM   
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/9/2007 12:54:26 AM   
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/9/2007 7:22:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   We shouldn't judge the entire Gov't by the remarks of one functionary.  The Jocelyn Elders thing didn't make Bill Clinton all about masturbation.


Rich:
What some French politician may or may not think is not all that important. 
What I do find interesting is that a third of our own countrymen seem to feel the same way.  Our track record in this area has been pretty clear..Tell me again which war we have been in that we did not provoke our involvement.
thompson


But arn't all wars provoked one way or another? Even WW2 was provoked. Although it was provoked because FDR and our military did not believe the United States could survive in the world with a Nazi superpower in Europe and Japanese imperialists in Asia. They needed to find some way to provoke Japan in order to turn the population's feelings to pro-war.


cyberdude:
My point was that the U.S, has provoked every war we have ever been in.
As for FDR being afraid that Germany would become a superpower...that is hardly the case.  Russia cleaned their clock.  From the time that Germany lost nearly a quarter million men in front of Moscow  (which is about how many men the U.S. lost in the whole war) all Germany did was back up as the Russians stomped a mud puddle in their collective asses.  What we did was prevent Russia from conquering all of Europe.
As for Japan...China would have swallowed them whole.  Japan had no oil, no iron, no rubber, no bauxite.  Perhaps you might want to peruse John Toland's work..."The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire"
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/9/2007 10:44:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		the french did want us going into iraq because they were selling to the saddam, at a time when un sanctions didnt allow for any dealing with them. and they were rigtfully afraid they would be found out

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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 6:28:14 AM   
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the french did want us going into iraq because they were selling to the saddam, at a time when un sanctions didnt allow for any dealing with them. and they were rigtfully afraid they would be found out


uwinceismile:
Have you got some way to back up this statement?  I only heard that the French were not interested in joining our war of corporate imperialism. 
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 6:34:30 AM   
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the french did want us going into iraq because they were selling to the saddam, at a time when un sanctions didnt allow for any dealing with them. and they were rigtfully afraid they would be found out


The French thought the war was stupid and never believed there were WMDs in Iraq. Chirac also told Blair, an invasion would cause a civil war in Iraq. Blair apparently said to the British ambassador after his meeting with Chirac, 'He (Chirac) just doesn't get it.'

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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 6:46:28 AM   
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the french did want us going into iraq because they were selling to the saddam, at a time when un sanctions didnt allow for any dealing with them. and they were rigtfully afraid they would be found out


The French thought the war was stupid and never believed there were WMDs in Iraq. Chirac also told Blair, an invasion would cause a civil war in Iraq. Blair apparently said to the British ambassador after his meeting with Chirac, 'He (Chirac) just doesn't get it.'


meatcleaver:
In one sense, Blair was right...Chirac did not get it...what Chirac did not get was:
a stack of body bags and a huge drain on the French economy.
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 7:06:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     We shouldn't judge the entire Gov't by the remarks of one functionary.  The Jocelyn Elders thing didn't make Bill Clinton all about masturbation.


i thought he was into blow jobs


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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 7:18:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    We shouldn't judge the entire Gov't by the remarks of one functionary.  The Jocelyn Elders thing didn't make Bill Clinton all about masturbation.


Rich:
What some French politician may or may not think is not all that important. 
What I do find interesting is that a third of our own countrymen seem to feel the same way.  Our track record in this area has been pretty clear..Tell me again which war we have been in that we did not provoke our involvement.
thompson


This country has been considered in a state of war since around the 1950's.   Not because there is really a "legitimate" war but because it allows the federal government to side step the constitution by claiming war and emergency powers to justify their circumventing the constitution should it ever be challenged.

Now bush claims a 100 year war and 911 was the pretext... 

Terrorism the invisible and dimensionless enemy.

Everyone who challenges the U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS ends is a terrorist. 
"you are either with us or you are with the terrorists"
(no room for patriotic dissent)

People simply do not or refuse see the writing on the wall.
(say bye bye constitution), or at a minium a severe reduction and narrowing of our rights.



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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 8:17:09 AM   
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However, the French are not alone in their skepticism.


True.


gov officials from germany, new zealand, and the aussies are all on record and pretty much on the same band wagon.

OH YEH and not to mention the terrorist countries in the ME. 





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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 8:23:36 AM   
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 10:26:11 AM   
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the french may have been against the war,,that doesnt take away from teh fact that were dealing with saddam after the un sanctions were put into place


uwinceismile:
Anything to back up this opinion beside opinion?
thompson

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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 11:11:28 AM   
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the french may have been against the war,,that doesnt take away from teh fact that were dealing with saddam after the un sanctions were put into place


The biggest reason that france was against the war is they wanted to protect their hmmm.... like 2 billion bucks worth of under the table oil well investments in iraq.  Likewise  russia did not want to give up those sweet again under the table pricing deals from sadam.  Germany was in there too but i forget exactly what under the table deals they had goping but that is why they all rejected going in, to protect their interests.

Meanwhile sadam having a hardon for the us gave us the big fuck you.  Its a "very" small world LOL


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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/10/2007 3:17:25 PM   
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RE: French govn't believes in 9/11 conspiracy? - 7/13/2007 6:09:00 AM   
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the french may have been against the war,,that doesnt take away from teh fact that were dealing with saddam after the un sanctions were put into place


uwinceismile:
Anything to back up this opinion beside opinion?
thompson


you dont remember when people were dumping french wine in the street in ny?


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