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stella40 -> Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/4/2007 5:38:06 PM)

How important to you is your home? How much space do you feel you need to live in? Are there any restrictions on how you live, or even on your movements?

Let's see how this compares with life in a hostel.

Normally if a person who has been sleeping on the streets is considered vulnerable they are moved into temporary accomodation- which is either a bed and breakfast hotel, or in some areas a room in a hostel.

So what can it be like living in a hostel? I will take as an example a hostel run by a leading charity for the homeless in East London. This is a charity which in 2005 bought a 200 room five storey hostel from another charity organisation for £4 million. In 2006 this charity did well in Government funding cutbacks to homeless charities, receiving a £10 million grant from the Government to renovate the hostel to become the 'showcase for getting the homeless back into the community'.

Plans for the new 'flagship hostel', include reduction of capacity from 200 rooms down to 60 larger rooms with en-suite bathroom, with the top two floors comprising of 15 self-contained studio apartments, there will be an IT suite, offices, rented office space, a health centre, and a meeting room.

Throughout 2006 the hostel needed to reduce it's number of residents from 137 down to 60 residents, and this was achieved in the following way:

- 12 were resettled into permanent accomodation
- 11 were moved to other hostel accomodation
-  38 were evicted for disciplinary offences back onto the street
- 5 were arrested and taken into custody
- 4 committed suicide
- 3 disappeared without trace or explanation
- 3 were committed to inpatient psychiatric care
- 1 left the country 

In October 2006 these 60 residents were moved to temporary hotel accomodation for the 18 months whilst the hostel is being renovated. This hotel is shared by residents from another London borough's HPU (Homeless Persons Unit).

If you are a vulnerable homeless person you are housed in this accomodation until you receive a nomination for a local authority flat as part of a quota. This quota is a number of flats the local authority decides to make available each year to anyone living in temporary accomodation and is usually no more than 25-50 flats per year. Of this, if the hostel is lucky, 3-5 flats may be allocated to residents. Or you may choose to go via the London Clearing House and be given one offer of a flat in any London borough, but on the understanding that if you refuse you start your waiting again right from the first day. One couple have been waiting 15 years for an offer of a flat, another man has been waiting 11 years, but the average is 3-4 years, although in the case of asylum seekers this may be as long as 5 years.  

In this hostel (or hotel) you are allocated a room measuring five feet by twelve feet, containing a bed, a wardrobe, a fridge and a sink. If you are on benefits this room costs the Government (on your behalf) £186.24 per week plus a service charge of £3.66 a week (which you pay yourself). If you decide to work the room will cost you £256.24 plus the service charge of £3.66 weekly.

You share a bathroom with 6 other residents and a kitchen with 12 other residents. There are CCTV cameras throughout the hotel. Breakfast is not provided, in fact no meals are provided. This hotel is decorated with white paint throughout, teak panelling, and on first impression seems a nice place to live. There are no laundry facilities, no storage facilities. Also the plumbing is faulty so heating and hot water is usually not available between 6am and midnight, and many areas of the hotel are infested with cockroaches, mice and in one part of the hotel, rats. Residents have complained to the local authorities Environmental Health Department but the situation has not changed.

There are also rules which the resident must abide by. There is a 12 midnight to 8am curfew. If you are found not to be occupying your 'bedspace' at night without permission you are evicted. No alcohol or 'substances' allowed anywhere in the building at any time for whatever reason. No smoking anywhere inside the building other than your room. No visitors or guests permitted at any time for whatever reason. Outside the fridge you are not allowed to keep any food in your room.You are not allowed to play music or make any other noise which may be heard outside your room. Your room may be checked and inspected at any time during random room checks which may take place on Mondays, Wednesdays or Fridays, and you must admit staff to your room without any delay.

There is technically an IT suite where in theory you are allowed restricted, monitored access to the Internet (for the purposes of checking e-mails and looking for work) and there are 5 laptops available for use by residents. However in practice staff don't make these laptops available to residents in case they might be stolen.

In fairness this is a particularly strict regime, but many hostels have similar regimes and I have been informed by a couple of residents that 'prison was far more relaxed and comfortable'.

Your comments please.





Lucylastic -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/4/2007 9:32:09 PM)

Sheer Bloody Luxury.......they were lucky.....(ala monty python)
damn things dont improve do they, I was in that kind ofsituation, for far too long, very early eighties and some of it was a living nightmare and so hard to get out of. its my one big fear....being in that situation again... shuddering.
Lucy




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/4/2007 10:02:02 PM)

I stayed in hostels many times while travelling in Ireland and Europe, I wish the US had more!

Mine were always very clean, very polite, very cheap, and good breakfast digs for a traveller.  Met oodles of cool people also traveling along. 

But there were some strict rules for some of them and I recommend good research before you pick your place and get there early to check in.  You can't expect uber cheap, uber social environments with heavy turnover to be the Plaza.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/4/2007 10:04:05 PM)

When I was younger I lived on the streets for a couple of months. Not having regular meals, a warm place to sleep and the dangers of crime against my person, motivated me to change things quickly. I wonder if things had been easier if I would have been as motivated. I wonder if I have not worked as hard for the things I have, if I would appreciate them as much. I also wonder if I had not adapted as quickly and efficiently if I would have lived through it. Does not nature say that which does not adapt becomes extinct? At what point does assistance become enabling?

Orion




popeye1250 -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/5/2007 12:40:19 AM)

LA, she's talking about homeless "hostels" not the ones for students and groups of young travlers/tourists.
It beats "sleeping rough" though doesn't it?




LadyEllen -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/5/2007 3:51:21 AM)

Seems to me that this "charity" is onto a damned good thing - nearly £200-00 per week for a room from the government or nearly £260-00 a week if one pays one's self?

Even with the costs involved, I see at least a couple of suits here walking away with £50k per annum each, whilst convincing the world of their philanthropy. And by costs, I'm assuming the government grant is more of a repayable loan. if it were just a grant, that is a gift, then I see a lot more suits getting rich here.

How this is possibly better than simply building enough houses I dont know. Lets say we had £10 million and we wanted to build 60 flats - one bedroom, self contained apartments. That would be £167,000 available to build each flat - this is about the retail price for such accomodation in Greater London (so I understand) - the retail price, that is after the developer has taken a damned fine profit.

Elsewhere in the country such accomodation retails for around £100,000 - again with a healthy profit for the developer. Our £10 million could have gone a lot further.

And the best of all this is, that this income isnt a one off purchase in this case - its rent, so not only does this charity have the asset but it brings in plenty of money on top - from us, the taxpayer.

So lets assume we had built the 60 flats in London, each sold to a social housing group by way of mortgage, and the rental charged reflected the mortgage payments of the housing group for the properties. Lets even ignore that such a housing group could obtain a very good mortgage deal from financiers and use commercial rates. My £70,000-00 mortgage costs me £500-00 per month, or £117-00 per week. Multiplying that up to the cost of these hostel rooms thats £277-00 per week - which is more or less what is being charged...

Except that if the government grant to purchase the hostel was a government gift, there arent any interest or other repayments to make on it, and this charity is charging full commercial mortgage/rental rates on the places they have - which we the taxpayer are funding again.

Now of course, that isnt a slight to the people who need these places, but to my mind it asks some very serious questions about what the hell is going on here.

E




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/5/2007 7:53:12 AM)

Oh hmm, many of the hostels I stayed in were combos of both. 




Eldritchdancer -> RE: Ever wanted to know what it's like in a hostel? (7/5/2007 9:44:06 AM)

*reads the thread*

We have those in the USA. They are called the YMCA. I have alot of associates who stay/have stayed in YMCA's recently (last 2 years) so I know of which I speak. Only the YMCA doesn't provide IT room(s) but does provide a place to do laundry.

Master Darkmoon




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