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AquaticSub -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/4/2007 3:24:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Companies should have more and less rights to hire who they want.

A few years ago I was the team leader of one of three software development teams working for a small company. Business was very good and we were hiring people with intention of forming a fourth development team from a mix of old and new employees. Unfortunately we hired 'Sam.' Sam was a very well qualified employee, or so his resume implied, whose only downside was he changed jobs every 6 months to a year which was no big deal in software development lots of guys were doing that in the late 90's. Sam was moderately productive on the easy stuff we gave him to get him up to speed. Seeing that he didn't seem right for the production coder positions we tried him in customer and sales support. About a week later complaints started to pour in from salesmen and from customers. Turns out this guy was some sort of christian ultra fundamentalist. He was taking every opportunity to proselytize or customers and potential customers. Including signing up everyone who sent him an email requesting support to one of those daily devotional email lists. So we move him off support to software maintenance, finding bugs in released software. He is unhappy and complains and someone explained to him what was going on. We're served a couple of days later and he stops coming to work because of, he claimed, the hostile workplace. The owner eventually wins the lawsuit but the expenses and the delay caused by all the legal crap meant the company didn't add the new team and we lost several potential clients and acouple of existing ones. GWB's election and the ensuing recession finished the job of doing the company in.

Now I won't pretend to know how to have rules that protect minority groups rights to employment without opening those same rules up to abuse but something does need to change.


Damn. Do you think you could sue for the losses?




HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/4/2007 3:35:33 PM)

Alumbrado,

My interpretation of your prior posts was that you were equating businesses and people as having the same rights under the law. I was just clearing up what I thought was a misconception on your part. If you felt "lectured" to, well there isn't anything I can do about your level of sensitivity. Maybe you could make your posts clearer as to your real meaning in the future.




farglebargle -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/4/2007 4:42:32 PM)

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You just can't drive your car on roads that aren't yours without one.


Being that The People are Sovereign, public roads are owned by The People, not The State.

( I would *love* to see The State produce the receipt! )





BeingChewsie -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/4/2007 5:53:27 PM)

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While I think we need tighter controls on Corporations in general


I certainly hope that doesn't happen until I'm worm food.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/4/2007 7:53:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
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While I think we need tighter controls on Corporations in general

I certainly hope that doesn't happen until I'm worm food.


With respect, one would do well to not confuse a corporation - a fictive person - with a real person that may have rights that shouldn't attach to a corporation.

That said, if you would rather run a business as a corporation instead of a sole proprietorship, then there are benefits and obligations that are part of that arrangement. If you want the benefits than you must accept the obligations imposed by various kinds of regulation.

It's only fair and right.




BeingChewsie -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/5/2007 11:09:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
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While I think we need tighter controls on Corporations in general

I certainly hope that doesn't happen until I'm worm food.


With respect, one would do well to not confuse a corporation - a fictive person - with a real person that may have rights that shouldn't attach to a corporation.

That said, if you would rather run a business as a corporation instead of a sole proprietorship, then there are benefits and obligations that are part of that arrangement. If you want the benefits than you must accept the obligations imposed by various kinds of regulation.

It's only fair and right.



You are right. I like the benefits very much.




Alumbrado -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/5/2007 11:14:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

Alumbrado,

My interpretation of your prior posts was that you were equating businesses and people as having the same rights under the law. I was just clearing up what I thought was a misconception on your part. If you felt "lectured" to, well there isn't anything I can do about your level of sensitivity. Maybe you could make your posts clearer as to your real meaning in the future.


Or you could quit dishonestly putting words in my mouth, and address what I actually said, but I think we all know the chances of that happening




farglebargle -> RE: Hiring employees: personal freedom vs discrimination (7/5/2007 11:28:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

quote:

ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie
quote:

While I think we need tighter controls on Corporations in general

I certainly hope that doesn't happen until I'm worm food.


With respect, one would do well to not confuse a corporation - a fictive person - with a real person that may have rights that shouldn't attach to a corporation.

That said, if you would rather run a business as a corporation instead of a sole proprietorship, then there are benefits and obligations that are part of that arrangement. If you want the benefits than you must accept the obligations imposed by various kinds of regulation.

It's only fair and right.



You are right. I like the benefits very much.


Keep in mind, the COST of those benefits of running a business as a Corp, is that you no longer have the Right to bitch about the Regulations you AGREED TO comply with.





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