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SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 7:44:57 PM)
Um...got all the answers i needed from the "35 and under" statement...it's insulting and condescending and, after 37 years on this planet and many within this lifestyle, that's all i really needed to know. edited to add : you act as if the "older" players are perverted in some weird way, but in fact, every last damn one of us is a kinkster. You almost walked out, but you didn't, good on you, you didn't let your fear of the "older" crowd drive you away...would have been silly of you to, considering you're a Dom....maybe if someone is going to let something as small as "feeling uncomfy" in a social situation get the better of them, then they shouldn't entertain the idea of living the lifestyle...if you're going to be embarassed that easily, things are not going to get any better once you're living it...at least not from a submissive standpoint. All that being said, my issue with the age restriction is a personal one, however, i do have very large concerns about the "younger" generation being fed incorrect, incomplete or false information because most of your group will be members just starting out or only in the lifestyle for a very short period of time. Certainly not considered "wise" by definition...again, a concern and i'm entitled to that. i always listened to what people who knew more about a subject had to say, and 9 times out of 10, they were my elders who lived the situation, thrived and survived. Just a thought... But thank you for the offer...and again, best of luck with your "project" smile

Mystique567 -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 7:51:47 PM)
I figured out who I was at the tender age of 40, terrified probably more than the "youngsters" that they are talking about. I found and was guided by people younger and older than myself. I think that you "kids" are losing alot of the good things that life experience has to offer. and like SubinMaine I think that discrimination by age is insulting.

MasterMike04103 -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 7:57:10 PM)
I forgot to add that TNG as a rule often attends meetings of the other groups in their area to help support the leather community as a whole. TNG was not created to exile the old and hide the young, but to offer a social outlet for the young adults of the leather community to share fellowship and do things both kink and non kink related. I don't know about you but I know most of the older croud would think that a monthly outting to a roller rink would be rather boring, or going mini golfing rather lame as they would rather go golfing on a real course. Take it for what its worth and leave your feedback at will

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 7:59:05 PM)
Bah...tryin' to talk sense to you young whippersnappers is like pissing into the wind (if i were male that is)...but it's ok Mike...one day you'll be "old" too. stopping to smell the roses

MasterMike04103 -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SubinMaine edited to add : you act as if the "older" players are perverted in some weird way, but in fact, every last damn one of us is a kinkster. You almost walked out, but you didn't, good on you, you didn't let your fear of the "older" crowd drive you away...would have been silly of you to, considering you're a Dom.... I would like to take a moment to make a couple comments about this section of your message... 1. I never said that the older more experienced players were anything, please go back and read my post word for word. I was simply stating fact that can be found on ANY tng website. 2. No matter the station within the lifestyle or age of the person, people are human, fear is a natural human reaction. Please use some logic, just because I am a Dominant, don't assume that because of my station within the lifestyle that I am going to be a macho prick and put on a show that I am inhuman. Mike

Morghan -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:04:26 PM)
First of all, I completely understand the questions being raised here. Second, my apologies for the double posting. I could not decide where it was best put, so I placed it in two forums. If it showed up more than once in a single forum, that was entirely a technical error on my part. On to the substance of the objections... Why does age matter? Why don't people just join one of the other groups? Am I saying you are "old" if you're over the age limit? Age shouldn't matter. In an ideal society, we'd take each person at their worth, and welcome both new and old ideas. Unfortunately, thats not always how things go. TNG is a national organization, with chartered groups all over. The concept was created because there had been some cases of 'chicken-hawking', where a much older member (say 20 yrs the object's senior) was hitting heavily on a new scene member. This resulted in a lot of the younger set just stepping away from social interactions entirely. When I was 18, I certainly didn't want to discuss my sexuality with someone my parent's age. It just wasn't comfortable. So that is the essential 'root' of this organization. TNG Maine has existed in the past. It has existed in other forms, other locations, but always with the concept behind it of providing a safe, comfortable space for those who are new to the lifestyle and in many cases, scared of the older set. The age limit was set by the orignal group, of which I was not a part. However, here in Maine the Real Life Groups that I have attended have demographics in teh 45+ range, all the way to the 60's. What might an 18-25 year old have in common with these folks? A few may find things, its true, but for many they are uncomfortable, and thus an arbitrary number was set to attempt to keep the charter and purpose of the TNG on track. If I were to post the TNG bylaws, you would also see that those 35 and over are welcome under the 'alumni' title, appropriate. I am sorry that those reading the original post have felt it to be exclusionary. Please accept my apologies for any offense, and consider that while this may not be for you, there are those who might find it of interest. Feel free to pass along the information if it suits you. If not, then please also feel free to ignore it and carry on. Thank you for your time. Morghan

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 I don't know about you but I know most of the older croud would think that a monthly outting to a roller rink would be rather boring, or going mini golfing rather lame as they would rather go golfing on a real course. No, you DON'T know about me and, the kicker is, you'd never even get the chance to learn about "me" and what "i" enjoy doing because i fall outside of your narrow scope of age related interests.....i lived at roller rinks growing up, ADORE them still, golf gives me an aneurism...cannot stand it, mini golf is a blast, it's the only golf i play, i also adore water parks, amusement parks, concerts (old school metal/rock and quite a few of the newer bands), i detest "classic rock" and my 18 year old nephew would rather hang out with me and MY crowd than most of the kids his age. But again, i digress....my opinion is just that, my opinion. And the way your group "presented" itself to those of us OVER the age of 35 was incredibly insulting. Again, you'll be there one day and when you're 36 or gasp 37 you'll feel much differently because you won't be "old" in your eyes...maturity has a way of doing that type of thing to you smile

instynctive -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:05:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 I don't know about you but I know most of the older croud would think that a monthly outting to a roller rink would be rather boring, or going mini golfing rather lame as they would rather go golfing on a real course. Take it for what its worth and leave your feedback at will I may be an exception (and subinmaine as well), but coming from a couple of people who still watch Spongebob and can sing the entire Fairly Odd Parents theme song.. LOL Besides, the arms on the windmill would make for a great St Andrews Cross.. with a Catherine Wheel.. combined.. Ooh.. honey! I have a new project!!! LOL

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:07:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 quote: ORIGINAL: SubinMaine edited to add : you act as if the "older" players are perverted in some weird way, but in fact, every last damn one of us is a kinkster. You almost walked out, but you didn't, good on you, you didn't let your fear of the "older" crowd drive you away...would have been silly of you to, considering you're a Dom.... I would like to take a moment to make a couple comments about this section of your message... 1. I never said that the older more experienced players were anything, please go back and read my post word for word. I was simply stating fact that can be found on ANY tng website. 2. No matter the station within the lifestyle or age of the person, people are human, fear is a natural human reaction. Please use some logic, just because I am a Dominant, don't assume that because of my station within the lifestyle that I am going to be a macho prick and put on a show that I am inhuman. Mike Please re-read MY post..i didn't say you "said" i said you "ACTED as if"...and you do, it's the impression you give, and the first are always lasting. And i did not "assume" anything, thank you...if you are a Dom, then it's fair to say you're not going to go running away from a social situation because there was a certain number of older participants present. going to piss in the wind

MasterMike04103 -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:11:19 PM)
indeed you might be my friend, and I mean no offence to you or yours in these posts, I am just simply replying to posts with my own views, You and yours are more than welcome to so... Mike

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:16:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Morghan If I were to post the TNG bylaws, you would also see that those 35 and over are welcome under the 'alumni' title, appropriate. Morghan, while i do understand what you are attempting to do with the organization you're trying to build, i still do not agree with an age restriction of any kind. When it happens to you, you'll understand more clearly. Maybe i take things too personally, i'm not so above myself as to admit to that, and quite honestly this is the FIRST time in my life i've been excluded from participating in something that held great interest to me simply because i am considered "too old".... That being said, how can one be considered "alumni" if they've been excluded from the group? If you are 35 today and are accepted into the group then when you hit 36 you are considered alumni, that i get...but if you're over the age of 35 and excluded from the beginning, you are not alumni....because you never participated. Just because i have issues with how the charter was drawn up or the bylaws that exist doesn't mean that i don't wish you well in your venture, it just means that i think the said charter and bylaws suck on an enormous level and come off as elitist to put it mildly. Neither you nor Mike needs to agree with me or even "like" me...because you're not going to have to deal with me on a daily basis, now, are you? smile dragging her tired old ass to bed

megan2007 -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:23:31 PM)
i would like to interject something into this conversation, if i may? (and, as it's an open board and topic, and i have the permission of my Daddy...i maylol) the TNG groups are meant not to segregate the local BDSM population, wherever TNG groups are found, but to promote it. peer-to-peer education and support. this is NOT intended to replace or downplay the highly valuable education and mentorship that can come from older, more experienced members of the Lifestyle community, instead it is meant to add on to such. (there is also the fact that "older", does NOT neccesarily mean "more experienced". as W/we all know that P/people first come into the Lifestyle from all age brackets) i think the point of the "younger crowd" the "Next Generation", wanting to have a peer group based crowd, as well as being part of the overall Lifestyle community, is perfectly understandable. would any of U/us critique O/others, should the idea of a "Older Generation" group, for those over a certain age, be discussed as possibly being started up? would the critique of such a group, even be an issue? i dont think so. again, it would be a peer-based group, in addition to more general Lifestyle groups, not segregating from them. why then, should the idea of TNG, -wherever- the chapters of the group are located, be an issue? by the way? i'm going to be 34 in August of this year. and MasterMike04103, is my Daddy. and i am a member of the Maine based TNG group. guess what? i originaly was very leery of joining it, even though my own Daddy is the Founder! but with His help, i was able to work through the underlying issue of what was realy bothering me about joining the group...it was'nt that it had a cut-off age for membership. no, it was my own concerns and fears about growing older. so...once i was able to address that, i was able to overcome it. MasterMike04103 and Morghan have put a LOT of time and effort into trying to fully establish a TNG group for Maine. when O/our community of kink-friendly P/people is so small in comparison to the vanilla world, why is it that some people, instead of encouraging the diversity and education of O/others in the Lifestyle, insult such?

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103 indeed you might be my friend, and I mean no offence to you or yours in these posts, I am just simply replying to posts with my own views, You and yours are more than welcome to so... Mike One last before i drag it to the bedroom... i truly do not think you intended to offend anyone. And, indeed, you COULD be my friend as well... my posts were meant to make you THINK about the wording and THINK about how it would make others feel. i, personally, have nothing against either of you... G'nite kiddies...granny's off to get her beauty sleep wink

Morghan -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 8:25:44 PM)
Again, I understand your objections, and I can see how you would feel discriminated against. However, I would ask you to consider some other organizations, such as the NAACP, NOW, or countless other secular and religous groups. Each one created a framework for their membership based on criteria that would create a common bond. Should I be angry or feel excluded because every organization on the planet doesn't want me? Hopefully not. I wish you the best, even if what TNG means holds no interest :) Morghan

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 10:14:34 PM)
Folks, if you don't want to participate in this group, then by all means don't. There is no call to harass and flame those that do want to participate. Enough already. XI

AquaticSub -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/3/2007 10:23:52 PM)
Good luck with the group.

SubinMaine -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/4/2007 3:31:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven Folks, if you don't want to participate in this group, then by all means don't. There is no call to harass and flame those that do want to participate. Enough already. XI With all due respect, Mod, if you think my discussion of how their group projected an unfavorable image to the "older" crowd was harrassment and/or flaming then i digress, your word is law around these here parts. Maybe i didn't have to comment about handicap ramps to treehouses and yes i may have gotten snarky and rude, but then i'm the one that had to read the very condescending (to me) email this "group" sent my Sir regarding my age and the restrictions that would be placed on me should He wish to bring me to any of their events. To Meghan and Mike: i really do wish you both well in your endeavor. i do hope that you BOTH got what i was getting at with my posts. Again...it may have been snarky, but it wasn't a "personal" attack on either of you...just as your bylaws aren't a personal attack on myself. Have a happy 4th folks

Areflectionofyou -> RE: Maine Based Group (7/4/2007 4:34:47 AM)
I am very familiar with the group because a TNG group meets at my friends dungeon in tolland CT. They have never discluded me from going and i am 35 , or anyone from that matter. Im not a member but the people who are are very nice. quote: ORIGINAL: SubinMaine quote: ORIGINAL: salilus and I don't much care for the fact that I'm welcome at TGN, but my Daddy is not. Actually, to be honest, I never much cared for 'my generation,' either - self centered and ego-driven, in general. I'll stick with the geriatric crowd ;) i'm in the same boat salilus...but Sir is welcome (he's 35) and can even "sponcer" (spelled incorrectly for a purpose...those that know, know why) me if He'd like to take me to an event (i'm 37)...but that's ok...seeing how they don't have a handicap ramp up to thier treehouse, He'll be SOL in 6 months anyway when He hit's 36 lolol ok..so maybe i AM just a little bitter smile

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